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Milena
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in supreme disgrace
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posted November 19, 2001 10:50 AM |
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It almost looks like you try to find fifth rules of things, Milena. Fifth rule of the wizard, now this? Do you study numerology or something? *grin*
No. You didn't hit the right person with numerology. Haven't you studied Physics? You have to know this rule.
I'm a Tarot Cards reader and numbers ain't my specialty though I can tell you thir symbolism.
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Ichon
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Famous Hero
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posted November 19, 2001 10:51 AM |
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Book series
Everything she says is from different fantasy books series, all the rules etc, many of her characters also I recognize.
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Sha_Men
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Jack-Of-No-Trades
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posted November 19, 2001 12:22 PM |
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And...
Shae remembers lines...
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Like Arnie said, 'it's in your nature to destroy yourselves.'
from Arnold movies exactly like they were.
Geez...
Don't know which is more terrifying...
"I'll be back" would fit me, right?
But truly...
We don't understand how it is to live in the good old days. It's very hard to understand how people saw life in overall those days as it is very hard even understand nowadays how other people see life.
So...no thank you.
Let's stay in present time.
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Ichon
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posted November 19, 2001 12:31 PM |
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funnier and funniest
I think it's comical to image those good ole days as something so fondly reckoned with- I bet people sat around then discussing this same thing, "too bad about all this iron, it was so much more pure to kill people with good clean bronze, now we have to take these damn smiths with us everywhere and, oh no, here come those Assyrians!"
Cultures and ways of life fade, to be replaced with new and sometime more vibrants variations, sometimes less vibrant, one factor of current civilazation is that this process has actually became more and less static, in the olden days a people changed little over time, yet in catostraphic circumstances the ways of generations changed in seconds. Now with everything written an recorded, life doesn't fade away as it once did. Instead there seems to be a gradual leeching of culture, perhaps to fade into one homogenous whole someday? I don't believe so, there is too much variation, if only be people's own choice and not the geography of circumstance most people are born into with little hope of escape even in these times.
So, remark and dream of the golden days all you want, someday people will look back on our times as those golden days, not because the future is so bleak, but that the past is always more precious than the now, and also because people value what they know, which the past can more often persuade people into believing they actually know what it was. Instead of thinking that perhaps that past is just like now, as confused and chaotic as anytime.
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Shae_Trielle
Honorable
Famous Hero
of Heroes
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posted November 19, 2001 02:02 PM |
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Yes that is so very true Ichon. I don't believe in too much sentimentality, as heavy reflection, and even dwelling upon the past can often cause people to miss the moment of the now. And this in itself causes a circle of sorts because people will always be missing the present, only to remember it in some fond manner at some point in the future.
My father is one of these people, he likes to dwell on what once was but is so foolish as to not realize that he's living the moments he'll cherish in the future. Another nail in his coffin I say.
Being sentimental though, is not the same as placing yourself in a frame of time in which you've never lived at all. To live a thousand years ago is not to forego the pleasures of the present, but rather to look at another lifestyle which some of us (maybe all of us) crave.
Some of us like to live slower than others. I'm one of those people, or at least I like to think so, even though I barely have a spare moment for reflection (ahem... HC Shae?)Life is hectic for most of us, even during those quieter times when we sit in silence and think about a day's events gone by. I think eventually it gets to the point where everything is so rushed and so measured, even as far as going down to the minute (I complain when I don't get my cheeseburger after sixty seconds you know), that it becomes inevitable to sink into sentimentalism. Because the current time is so swift and so chaotic that we never have time to appreciate it.
*hic*
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Murphy
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
banned
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posted November 19, 2001 02:22 PM |
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Hey, every man is in title to his opinion, and what I meant about Kant was that I think it would lead to a happy and good world, not just that there wouldn't be war. The others here, I'm not so sure about.
what abou every WOOman?
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DonGio
Promising
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of Clear Water Mountain Clan
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posted November 19, 2001 07:45 PM |
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Hexa, what are you doing?
Murph, you're not trying to tell me you're a girl too (or are you referring to some Woo girl/guy (which if that's the case, I don't know))?
Ichon, you make a good point. But I still believe there were people who lived carefree (in the good sense) lives, not the population in general, but some lucky people for sure. And it's more about reconnecting with nature, really, than returning to old governing forms and such. I've never said all was good in the past, but let's face it, "the world is being Fed-ex-ed to Hell".
And regarding all our modern conveniences: We would have no knowledge of them, therefore we would not miss them.
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Murphy
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
banned
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posted November 19, 2001 07:53 PM |
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i am no woman!
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DonGio
Promising
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of Clear Water Mountain Clan
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posted November 19, 2001 08:00 PM |
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Good, good. Then why do you care? 
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Murphy
Disgraceful
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banned
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posted November 19, 2001 08:03 PM |
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lol, good point... no offense, anyone
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Thunder
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posted November 19, 2001 11:33 PM |
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Grass is always greener on the other side..........
Maybe we kill each other only because we don`t have natural enemy? Or would the starvation be better choice? Or maybe Earth is too crowded? Or do we only want riches other have because we don`t have `em? Or we "need" `em?
One of the largest population losses were in Europe at Middle Age. Hundred year war, plague and starvation caused Europe to lost two thirds of its population.
I would rather take bullet on my neck instead of suffering lepra many years (disease where your ears and nose drop along with fingers and others). I don`t think arrow would be much nicer than bullet.
Mynd you, moose bite kan be pretti nasti.
"Let the past be the past. Do not call up, that which you cannot put down. Destroy that, which destroyed us. So long ago." -Soldevi Heretic.
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Murphy
Disgraceful
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banned
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posted November 19, 2001 11:41 PM |
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Maybe we kill each other only because we don`t have natural enemy? Or would the starvation be better choice? Or maybe Earth is too crowded? Or do we only want riches other have because we don`t have `em? Or we "need" `em?
One of the largest population losses were in Europe at Middle Age. Hundred year war, plague and starvation caused Europe to lost two thirds of its population.
I would rather take bullet on my neck instead of suffering lepra many years (disease where your ears and nose drop along with fingers and others). I don`t think arrow would be much nicer than bullet.
Mynd you, moose bite kan be pretti nasti.
"Let the past be the past. Do not call up, that which you cannot put down. Destroy that, which destroyed us. So long ago." -Soldevi Heretic.
i totally agree... dont forget smallpox, teetanacitis, and pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcaniconiosis...(lung disease caused by fine volcanic silica dust)
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Ichon
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posted November 20, 2001 02:19 AM |
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Nature...
Well, I think it's a myth about people being closer in times past to nature. Most of the deforestation occured before modern times- even in precolonial americas the natives changed their enviroments whenever they were in suffecient numbers to spare the manpower from survival tasks. It's part of human nature to want to be comfortable, in fact really the only reason for the current degredation of the enviroment is the sheer number of people living within the same confined spaces without adequate technology to support themselves.
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Frenzie
Adventuring Hero
off with the faeries
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posted November 20, 2001 03:46 AM |
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And is it really worse to be killed by the flu than a bullet?
God yeah!, flu could take weeks to kill, maybe longer!
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Shae_Trielle
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of Heroes
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posted November 20, 2001 09:12 AM |
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Thunder, you said something which made me think. "People kill each other because they have no natural enemy..."
The really funny thing is, our capabilities erase the threat of natural enemies (a snake is a natural enemy considering one bite can kill us, then again snakes have no natural allies do they?), which leaves our own species as the only credible threat to our existence.
I watched a show last night. "World's Worst Neighbours" Damn is those americans crazy! The two guys who started shooting each other just because one family was driving the 'percieved' wrong way out of a cul-de-sac. Of course the family doing the wrong driving were of the opinion that the section of the road formed part of their driveway and they were entitled to drive out of it. But to start shooting one another over a piece of dirt road that was ten yards long?!
Life WAS simpler back then. Harder but at least the rules were clearer and easily defined. I think that seeing as warriors of society no longer exist (and if they did they're all corrupt anyway), then there is no longer any sort of warrior's honour either. And without people having some sort of basis for honour, then the fabric of the society in which we live is bound to become stretched and skewed.
People do live quiet, tranquil lives nowadays. I can think of people who live in frontier towns, quiet remote places where the reliance upon your fellow neighbour is to help each other out. Only when you put people in these 'bond or die' situations do we really start to see the depth and impressiveness of human nature at it's best.
*smile*
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Gimmickless
Promising
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Cannon Maker
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posted November 20, 2001 09:33 AM |
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No warriors?
What the hell do you call the enlisted force of militaries then? ;D But since this is a dreamer's thread, here's my situation that is closest to a utopia if I were able to change the world to my choosing...
First off, governments would be immediately dissolved. That means all peacekeepers, lawmakers, and bureaucracies, as well as the fields that support them. Laws are among the biggest timewasters around, and are easily replaced by the social customs that underlie them anyway. Yes, I know that there would be some extra "lawlessness" about, but at least we'd get those romantic vigilante types to roam around again.
Second, personal gas-powered vehicles would be the next to go. Gas/electricity powered public transportation can stay. Cars are not just a waste of resources, but they are also social isolators. Example: how many times have you met somebody by driving on the highway and not at where you were headed anyway?
Third, religion would be obsolete. Even though if everybody woke up tomorrow an atheist, we'd still find other things to fight over...but at least they'd be less serious-sounding than where we'd go when we're dead.
This post may be edited to add more changes to the world I'd make to try and make it a better place.
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DonGio
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posted November 20, 2001 09:41 AM |
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Gimmickless: Nice to see your giving this thread a more productive spin (you know, instead of everyone just slaughtering my dreamworld )
If mine is indeed so terrible, let's hear about your utopias. (And don't tell me the world today)
Anyone?
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Ichon
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Famous Hero
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posted November 20, 2001 06:02 PM |
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Nonono
Shae- warrior codes of conduct aren't that much to be proud of, mostly it gives the rights to the strongest, and as such, only the top10% or so of a society gets the benefits, everyone else is a slave. All those cultures that existed and had so much written about them aren't the true cultures of those times. It's as if in our times the only people written about are the rich and famous, it's a warped perspective. I wouldn't want to live in any warrior ethos bound society.
Of all the times to live in past history, the only places I would consider living are either ancient Rome, or medieval Spain with the Moors, and possibly among the Mongol kingdoms after the expansion.
I've lived in a small community where people have to help one another out to survive, and it's not so heavenly. Sure you might be close to your neighbors, but it's not by choice. Desperation has a depression all it's own. Why do you think small towns are dying all across the world? The only places people are going outside of cities are these private idyllic communities set up in rich countries where some utopian ideal is attempted.
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Romana
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Supreme Hero
Thx :D
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posted November 20, 2001 11:10 PM |
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My last holiday I was in Serbia. The people(some) are very poor over there and when I had to go to the ladies room I had to go outside and do it in some bushes, but I didn't mind that. Also I didn't mind I couldn't take a proper shower and I never in a moment missed my television or computer. How's that possible? The people there are so different. You're always welcome to come and eat with them. They share everything they have no matter how little they have of it. Everyone helps eachother out. I find that way of living very fullfilling and wouldn't mind if it would be like that everywhere. I don't meen the poverty but the way those people are. Material stuff after all meens nothing when you have no-one to trust or rely on. So if I had to choose I would choose poverty over wealth. Primitivity over Industry and commerce.
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Tristan
Promising
Known Hero
illegally insane
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posted November 20, 2001 11:43 PM |
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It seems to me that there are always a lot of people that want to live either in the past or the future. The 20th century was a lot of thinking science and technology would solve all our problems mixed with a yearning for the simpler times of the past. The problem I have with that, is if everyone is living in another time, who is here to insure a good "now"?
True, there were many things that were good and desirable in older times, but not many people then enjoyed them. It is the nature of mankind to want what they do not have. Now if we were talking about things we could DO to make this time better (As some have in this thread) I would think more highly on this.
Actually having free time has been a desire for many people for ages, but it seems that the more culture and technology change to supposedly give this, the less we have. And most advances in technology came after a culture got to the point where there was "free time" to make such things. Of course, now when we have free time we play games on our computers and keep in touch with people from around the world with the internet...
As for me, I think I will concentrate on making the present the best I can, and try to live within it. Though I may find that some features of the "good old days" can be implemented.
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