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Sorry for rant, but ...
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I cannot help by confront you with this statement!
1) What are you basing this on - do you have any scientific and/or logical reason for saying this, other than that's what you think?
2) And I'd like to ask you, do you think you could suddenly turn gay, should you happen to watch too many gay parades?
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1) Well as far as I know, a lot of people who turn out gay at a later point in life have had relationships and even children with persons of different sex. Freddie Mercury had a long-term relationship with a girlfriend, for example. Before he declared himself as gay.
I mean, if somebody is gay from birth, he wouldn't have female companions all along and then just suddenly change to being gay, right? I don't think a person could spend the early ages of his life dating females and having relations (sometimes even long-term ones) with them (despite his gay sexual preferences) and then suddenly turn completely gay. Doesn't make sense, or at least I don't get it.
2) Not suddenly and at this period of life. But if I were induced with them earlier, since birth and all, and if my environment fully supported it and even encouraged it to certain extent, I believe there would be a larger chance of me turning gay, yes.
I might be wrong of course.
@ 1) Well, I think you need to take into consideration that a lot of these men who live in relationships with Women before they "turn gay" (or come out as gay!) don't do it because they prefer women at this point, but because they are ashamed to admit it. I think that was particularly the case some 30 or 40 years ago, where homosexuality was frowned upon (even more than now). I guess these days people just tend to keep it secret - but no matter how much George Michael denied it and claimed to be in female relationships, don't tell me he was ever anything but gay.
I also think a lot of men start out in heterosexual relationships because they are either confused about their fealings, scared to face them, or simply because of lack of knowledge. If you've never heard about homosexuality (yes, there are stil a lot of countries and regions that don't inform properly about this) you are not likely to realize what's going on - if you only know that men forge relationships with women, you'll be likely to do the same because you are not aware that some people feel otherwise.
Of course, I don't know the minds of every homosexual man. Some might in fact change their mind - I've just yet to hear the man who said that was the case. And there are bi-sexuals - in fact, Freddy Mercury, who you quote, called himself bisexual, if I'm not mistaken.
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Homosexuality is a hormonal error from nature.
This, actually, might be very true. Thus not saying that Homosexuality is a bad thing (I'm not the one to judge the decisions other people take with their lives) - but from a natural point of view, there's no doubt that homosexuality is illogical. Furthermore, stating that "nature doesn't make mistakes" is a bit too totalistic in my point of view - Nature is not a sentinent being (Mother Nature), but is governed by the laws of chemistry and physics. The Cancer disease can be considered a natural mistake, in the sense that anormal cell mutation causes this (X-men, anybody?). Again, please don't quote me for comparing homosexuality to cancer.
The "many-sons" theory about homosexuality states that women develop an "allergic" reation to male hormones, more likely to happen after many male pregnancies, causing them to create unusual hormones, causing the child to be gay. This could be view as an error imo. One should just be careful with the word error as it's very negatively ladden.
Finally, one should not compare human with animal sexuality. Very few animals have secuality like us (i.e. we do sex for pleasure). I think there are examples of animals turning gay (like rabits in cages with only one gender) but I don't think that's completely comparable to the human situation. Maybe the difference lies in the human ability to cope alone in lack of a partner ...
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posted December 19, 2007 09:13 AM |
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Well for reasons of my own I was remaining out of this debate for the most part. Based on first hand knowledge, let me explain a few things.
First, its not everywhere that gay is tolerated let alone accepted. There is no 'equality'. This doesn't apply to just men, I assure you. I am a rather strong, stubborn, muleheaded woman, and for years I had to 'pretend' in order to survive. Please don't get me started on the guys that insist that the only reason I prefer females is that I have not been with a 'real' man.
Some of it is nature, some of it is nurture, and some are a combination. Nature meaning they were born that way, nurture meaning they were influenced by how they grew up. There is other reasons also (again, first hand knowledge take it as you will).
Now I won't even pretend to understand the male mind. Would be about as successful as a guy trying to understand a females mind. Even they can't figure out my mind, but neither can I so..
However for years there was a severe stereotype for men. They seemed to think they had to fit the mold (much like some silly women who think they have to weigh like 90 lbs).
Now I personally think the stereotype (or any) is just sad but they are not supposed to show emotion, supposed to play sports (the more 'rugged' the better). Think about cars and women (or women on the hood of the cars), and be all around 'macho'. 'Gay' is thought of as the mirror of 'macho' for some reason. A primal unreasonable response surfaces and it's like. "Ugh, me not gay, me manly man. Me smash." type thing. Again, I am probably way off. Like trying to figure out a chinese puzzle while standing on your head, juggling bowling balls. 
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posted December 19, 2007 01:15 PM |
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I really enjoyed that post.
Also: Link about animals.
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posted December 19, 2007 05:33 PM |
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I'll add 2 cents...
This has been an intresting debate/ discussion.
Personally myself, I don't like being called ' Gay ' for the most part because quite Simply, I'm not attracted towards other males. I'm not Homophobic or anything of the sort, I think people just use it as an insult, to instill fear and hatred, considering Gay is not very accpeted around the world, and people don't want to be hated.
Its also more of a comfort thing, I beleive most people would be uncofmtorable around Gay people ( I know I can be ). The Sterotypical Male is all about sports cars and women, if your not into all that, then your different, or gay. people don't like outsiders, like that, difference / change also scares people..... If your not comftorable with yourself or others you find it hard to admit or make any kind of judgements.
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posted December 19, 2007 10:20 PM |
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About nature of course it can make mistakes, have you not heard of the down syndrome? Some people are just not born healthy. Being gay is probably a mix up but then again it's hard to tell how much it is about nature and how much about environment.
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posted December 19, 2007 11:40 PM |
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Enjoyed her post but typical.
I think we all realized that everything she described about herself was agreeable before it was even mentioned.
You are just a typical female & ot's worst when your gay because they tend to always come after the males as if everyone of us are against women.
I am an equaliser with women. I think they can do as much as men.Some better then us & we do better then yall.
Women always want to be treated equal, BUT when it comes to something they do not like to do. They use thier women power to say they should not or cannot do it.
Same as the law.
All a woman has to do is say we laid a pinky on them & we get thrown in prison for a couple months. Meanwhile we are looked at as if we are a product of a failed male Species.
Not to mention Women also get away with alot of crimes & Warrants as well.
I seen women let go with Warrants as long as they promise to show in court on another date.
If it was us, We would of been thrown in jail quick!
So yea maybe you do not understand us but dont put our knowledge down also.
Just because you got an office job & probally a descent life, it dont mean your better.
Like with your comment trying to outstage me that you work alot more hrs then I do.
Maybe if you actually try being cool with men in real life & on here & quit making it like were all out to get you. Maybe people will treat you better.Quit trying to outstage everyone.
Hater.
Oh but I forgot, you so much better then everyone on here so who cares huh?
All I see is that you get along with women & teen kids.
I see adult males reply but thats about it, unless they say something that is rarely interesting.
Later & I defantely wouldnt want to be you. Even if you do make alot more money then me.
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posted December 20, 2007 01:18 PM |
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Enjoyed her post but typical.
I think we all realized that everything she described about herself was agreeable before it was even mentioned.
You are just a typical female & ot's worst when your gay because they tend to always come after the males as if everyone of us are against women.
I am an equaliser with women. I think they can do as much as men.Some better then us & we do better then yall.
Women always want to be treated equal, BUT when it comes to something they do not like to do. They use thier women power to say they should not or cannot do it.
Same as the law.
All a woman has to do is say we laid a pinky on them & we get thrown in prison for a couple months. Meanwhile we are looked at as if we are a product of a failed male Species.
Not to mention Women also get away with alot of crimes & Warrants as well.
I seen women let go with Warrants as long as they promise to show in court on another date.
If it was us, We would of been thrown in jail quick!
So yea maybe you do not understand us but dont put our knowledge down also.
Just because you got an office job & probally a descent life, it dont mean your better.
Like with your comment trying to outstage me that you work alot more hrs then I do.
Maybe if you actually try being cool with men in real life & on here & quit making it like were all out to get you. Maybe people will treat you better.Quit trying to outstage everyone.
Hater.
Oh but I forgot, you so much better then everyone on here so who cares huh?
All I see is that you get along with women & teen kids.
I see adult males reply but thats about it, unless they say something that is rarely interesting.
Later & I defantely wouldnt want to be you. Even if you do make alot more money then me.
Not exactly sure what I did to you to illicit this response. Let's see if we can clear this up. First, I don't think I am better then anybody. As for the hours thing, it was a very rare occurence. I get about 40 hrs a week normally, and they hate giving anybody any more. Sorry if I somehow offended you with that.
You don't even know me. Right now I am fighting to have enough food on the table, let alone anything else. My brother was just diagnosed with terminal cancer. Yeah, great life.
Where exactly did I put men's knowledge down? Ask Elvin if you wish i've basically told him I know he is much smarter then I am. Corribus also, he has 10x more knowledge then me. I said I couldn't understand, not that it was better or worse.
To be honest, I thought you were a nice, cool person. I don't hate guys or think they are out to get me. Sure, I've ran into some absolute jerks, but I know for a fact women can be just as bad if not worse. Just one more thing, and then I guess I am done.
I agree that for equal rights we women should have to be treated equal. Not better, equal. A woman wants to work in construction, I totally agree she should have to do everything that a man would, for the same pay. I try to be a nice genuine person. Yeah I speak my mind, but I try to be respectful about it.
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posted December 20, 2007 01:48 PM |
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Of course you can become gay. Look how many people are unhappily married.
Its just not something that can be alterered after youve decided.
Edit: Yes it would be strange if the whole world became gay. Thats why i think its against our nature you see. Thats why this post is called why do men hate being called gay after all.
Ok that's just a big piece of trash.
You CANNOT change your sexuality! And I feel quite offended you think people can. If you can't change the fact you get a boner from girls, why do you think others can???
"The world's becoming gay"... Geez, as far as I know, the percentage of homosexuals hasn't changed at all throughout history!
People being unhappily married automaticly means they are gay? What kind of logic is that?
Yes, there are cases of marriages breaking up because the male is gay. But that just means the man has never BEEN straight to begin with, and was merely forced into a straight marriage because that's simply what SOCIETY expects you to do! Especially long ago when there weren't things like the internet, one couldn't so easily explore homosexual feelings.
Let me tell you, you have no idea what you are talking about if you think you can change sexuality. It's the biggest bullsnow I've ever heard.
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I cannot help by confront you with this statement!
1) What are you basing this on - do you have any scientific and/or logical reason for saying this, other than that's what you think?
2) And I'd like to ask you, do you think you could suddenly turn gay, should you happen to watch too many gay parades?
1)For the most part no, But supposing you have a male neighbour you like and are surrounded by unpleasent women its probably just common sense that someone might reconsider.
2)Nope. But if something more appealing were made ...
Seriously, you should stop talking about things you know nothing about, you are seriously making me angry with these dimwitted comments.
As for what causes homosexuality, it can't be genes. If it were in the genes, Homosexuals would be a "dying race", since they don't reproduce and can't give the genes to their offspring. Likewise, straight people would give straight genes to their offspring. Yet homosexuals are born from, as far as I know, a man and a woman.
I personally think it has something to do with the way you grow up. Sigmund Freud had some interesting theories on how sexual fetishes and preferences developed during early child stages. That may as well include the preference for the opposite or same sex.
As for why people dislike being called gay? Retarded macho culture is what I blame for that. These days, it seems "cool" to act like a tough straight man. I find it kind of childish, that whole macho attitude.
What I find particularly interesting was Ancient Greece, where homosexual feelings were in fact, part of every day life. Their entire CULTURE and society was based around the worshipping of the young male body, which was their ideal. Love between men (Read: love, not anal sex) was very common and held in high regard even. Yet you can't say there was a "higher percentage" of actual homosexuals - otherwise their whole population would have collapsed. The only thing that was different back then, was their general ATTITUDE towards male to male love, which was more tolerant.
These days, western societies hold the slim female body as the ideal. I do wonder wether or not that is a contributing factor to the attitude towards homosexuality.
By the way, that thing about ancient greece is what makes me wonder wether or not MOST people are in fact, bisexual, and simply society is what makes them grow a strong preference to one sex.
I doubt homosexuality is caused by gene mutation is early stages. Estimates claim 8 - 10 % of the population is gay, I believe. That's too much that can be caused by the same sort of mutation.
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Gay is a hormonal error
a gay is not natural.
it is a case where will and desire overcome natural order
That almost sounds as if you're claiming only straight people have the monopoly on love, and with gay people it's all about lust. Is that sincerely what you're trying to say? You know them so well?
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1) Well as far as I know, a lot of people who turn out gay at a later point in life have had relationships and even children with persons of different sex. Freddie Mercury had a long-term relationship with a girlfriend, for example. Before he declared himself as gay.
I mean, if somebody is gay from birth, he wouldn't have female companions all along and then just suddenly change to being gay, right?
That's where you're wrong. Many homosexuals, especially the ones born long ago, grew up in a society that was aimed at heterosexual nature, and they had no options of exploring their gay side. It's 'normal' to go with the opposite sex, thus you don't question it. It's not like they suddenly "became gay", it's a closet case. Back then it wasn't ok to talk about your feelings either.
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posted December 20, 2007 01:52 PM |
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I think you misunderstood her Acu. She's not the whiny type that will get her way and still cry about not being treated equal. As for the disagreements with Corribus that's classic 
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posted December 20, 2007 08:37 PM |
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Moonlith. Please do not just say something like "Im angry at this what the hell your wrong" even if your angry without thinking. I did not say the whole world is becoming gay i said i think its against peoples nature to become gay because of the fact that its not good for us a species. So most people are afraid of it in a way .
And please also do not say something like "Stop being stupid, You dont know what your talking about" Because think carefully, most people have been repressed for thousands of years and chose women instead. If thats so you can be gay first and then chose a women later yeah? It goes both ways. If I was adopted by a gay person, my best friend was male and my parents encouraged me to be gay then i think its certainly possible to become gay. Trust me that society can make anyone do anything. And yes if you thought crappy women was the norm then it would influence your decision
And yeah ancient greece was homosexual. They also had slaves and liked to beat them. They werent exactly without their flaws. And again, I heard that homosexuality was encouraged among the spartans and heretosexuality was discouraged. i doubt all of them would truly have become gay in a different time and place such as today
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posted December 20, 2007 10:55 PM |
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Moonlith. Please do not just say something like "Im angry at this what the hell your wrong" even if your angry without thinking.
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And please also do not say something like "Stop being stupid, You dont know what your talking about" Because think carefully, most people have been repressed for thousands of years and chose women instead.
Please do believe me when I say I am bisexual and I THINK I know a lot more about what it's like to be bi or gay than you do, okay? I'm not telling you to stop voicing your opinion, I'm telling you to stop spilling nonsense. Because that is what you are doing, and THAT is making me angry, the way you say people can "Become" gay...
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I did not say the whole world is becoming gay i said i think its against peoples nature to become gay because of the fact that its not good for us a species. So most people are afraid of it in a way .
Actually it IS good for our species. It like mother nature's fourth break for overpopulation. Tell me, in what way are they "not good for the species" ? Just because they won't reproduce? Neither do sterile people. Does that automaticly make them "Bad for the human race" ?
I think people with three kids are worse for the human race right now than people without kids.
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If thats so you can be gay first and then chose a women later yeah? It goes both ways. If I was adopted by a gay person, my best friend was male and my parents encouraged me to be gay then i think its certainly possible to become gay.
I think it has been asked before - where is your backup information? Your reason to believe this? Understand that what you are saying is highly offensive to me. Not necessarily your thought itself, but the entire way how you come across as if you know it better than anyone else. It's like a man telling a woman he knows more about women then she does. Arrogant and offensive.
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And yeah ancient greece was homosexual.
No, they were not. You're missing the entire point. At the most, they were extremely man-to-man-love-tolerant. Anal sex was mocked and looked down upon as much as it is today. But there weren't more actual GAY people than there are now!
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They also had slaves and liked to beat them. They werent exactly without their flaws. And again, I heard that homosexuality was encouraged among the spartans and heretosexuality was discouraged. i doubt all of them would truly have become gay in a different time and place such as today
Right, that you get. But you're apparently not getting that you can't deliberately change your sexuality, never ever.
P.S.: I'm sorry if I come across like a jerk.
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posted December 21, 2007 02:33 AM |
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Whoever started this thread is soooo gay.
Emilsn, at what age did your dad start referring to you as 'she'?
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posted December 21, 2007 04:48 AM |
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Enjoyed her post but typical.
I think we all realized that everything she described about herself was agreeable before it was even mentioned.
You are just a typical female & ot's worst when your gay because they tend to always come after the males as if everyone of us are against women.
I am an equaliser with women. I think they can do as much as men.Some better then us & we do better then yall.
Women always want to be treated equal, BUT when it comes to something they do not like to do. They use thier women power to say they should not or cannot do it.
Same as the law.
All a woman has to do is say we laid a pinky on them & we get thrown in prison for a couple months. Meanwhile we are looked at as if we are a product of a failed male Species.
Not to mention Women also get away with alot of crimes & Warrants as well.
I seen women let go with Warrants as long as they promise to show in court on another date.
If it was us, We would of been thrown in jail quick!
So yea maybe you do not understand us but dont put our knowledge down also.
Just because you got an office job & probally a descent life, it dont mean your better.
Like with your comment trying to outstage me that you work alot more hrs then I do.
Maybe if you actually try being cool with men in real life & on here & quit making it like were all out to get you. Maybe people will treat you better.Quit trying to outstage everyone.
Hater.
Oh but I forgot, you so much better then everyone on here so who cares huh?
All I see is that you get along with women & teen kids.
I see adult males reply but thats about it, unless they say something that is rarely interesting.
Later & I defantely wouldnt want to be you. Even if you do make alot more money then me.
Not exactly sure what I did to you to illicit this response. Let's see if we can clear this up. First, I don't think I am better then anybody. As for the hours thing, it was a very rare occurence. I get about 40 hrs a week normally, and they hate giving anybody any more. Sorry if I somehow offended you with that.
You don't even know me. Right now I am fighting to have enough food on the table, let alone anything else. My brother was just diagnosed with terminal cancer. Yeah, great life.
Where exactly did I put men's knowledge down? Ask Elvin if you wish i've basically told him I know he is much smarter then I am. Corribus also, he has 10x more knowledge then me. I said I couldn't understand, not that it was better or worse.
To be honest, I thought you were a nice, cool person. I don't hate guys or think they are out to get me. Sure, I've ran into some absolute jerks, but I know for a fact women can be just as bad if not worse. Just one more thing, and then I guess I am done.
I agree that for equal rights we women should have to be treated equal. Not better, equal. A woman wants to work in construction, I totally agree she should have to do everything that a man would, for the same pay. I try to be a nice genuine person. Yeah I speak my mind, but I try to be respectful about it.
Where do you put men down.
Probally in this thread somewhere.
Intelect hmm who knows, I am sure I can find a few replies in other places as well.
I think respectful sometimes goes to making a point.Sometimes it's hard not to be disrespectful.
I was a nice cool person.
Yea most think I am a butt.Cool.
I speak out what I read.
You dont know me either.
I read some of your replies.
Your cool but I simply replied to your post before I made that reply.
You can think of me what you want. Thats ok.
Sometimes it seems women always like to speak thier minds.
When we do it's like we are doomed.
Yea I admit I exagerated on SOME replies.
Most Seems like it.
If I am wrong then ok.
What I see about you in the little I know.
What I see is a strong willed woman putting up with so much in life.
Seems so wrong when some things seem so right.
Generous action gal who likes to be treated right.
Sometimes it seems the world is so unfair but it happens to us all.
Then again very sensetive.Sweet & heart filled for people she cares about.
Ignoring the others who disrespects her in any way.
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Please do believe me when I say I am bisexual and I THINK I know a lot more about what it's like to be bi or gay than you do, okay? I'm not telling you to stop voicing your opinion, I'm telling you to stop spilling nonsense. Because that is what you are doing, and THAT is making me angry, the way you say people can "Become" gay...
My opinion is people can act gay. Even if its forced or not either way theyre not going to have babies.
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Actually it IS good for our species. It like mother nature's fourth break for overpopulation. Tell me, in what way are they "not good for the species" ? Just because they won't reproduce? Neither do sterile people. Does that automaticly make them "Bad for the human race" ?
Never said gay people were: Again i said i think its against peoples nature because a surplus of them would be bad for the human race. If everyone were gay it would in fact do much more harm
Ill try again. under 5% Gay is fine and very well. But if that 5% manages to becomes 49% eventually then its not so good. If it was honestly good for our species to be gay and everyone would do it, It would have more lasting harm . So i think just from a genetic or eveloutionary or a divine-creation point of view it would not make sense that we all became gay because its not a way for a species to thrive. In other words i think people are just basically programmed to try and avoid it in general
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I think it has been asked before - where is your backup information? Your reason to believe this? Understand that what you are saying is highly offensive to me. Not necessarily your thought itself, but the entire way how you come across as if you know it better than anyone else. It's like a man telling a woman he knows more about women then she does. Arrogant and offensive.
I dont mean to be arrogant and offensive and i dont think anything ive done in this thread has been particularly aimed at that, But i still think under the right conditions someone can be made to act heterosexual and the other way around. There was much less people acting gay around the medieval ages when everyone was deadly opposed to it.
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No, they were not. You're missing the entire point. At the most, they were extremely man-to-man-love-tolerant. Anal sex was mocked and looked down upon as much as it is today. But there weren't more actual GAY people than there are now!
Noone can prove it. But in a tolerant society to gays more people will come out as it. And more will be encouraged to be as such( or at least try it). I still think society can shape peoples actions even around that.
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posted December 21, 2007 05:46 AM |
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Through the Jongle that people doubt.
Roy is so deep.
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My opinion is people can act gay. Even if its forced or not either way theyre not going to have babies.
They can - there's methods of impregnating a woman without the actual deed, if they can find a woman willing to do that for them. Unlikely, but possible.
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Never said gay people were: Again i said i think its against peoples nature because a surplus of them would be bad for the human race. If everyone were gay it would in fact do much more harm
Ill try again. under 5% Gay is fine and very well. But if that 5% manages to becomes 49% eventually then its not so good. If it was honestly good for our species to be gay and everyone would do it, It would have more lasting harm . So i think just from a genetic or eveloutionary or a divine-creation point of view it would not make sense that we all became gay because its not a way for a species to thrive. In other words i think people are just basically programmed to try and avoid it in general
Percentage of homosexuals has throughout history remained the same. The only difference was in how many people were able or not afraid to come out. But it's pure speculation. If 50$ of the people were gay, well, we'd have a serious one-blow population decrease, which actally, wouldn't be such a bad thing at the moment.
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I dont mean to be arrogant and offensive and i dont think anything ive done in this thread has been particularly aimed at that, But i still think under the right conditions someone can be made to act heterosexual and the other way around. There was much less people acting gay around the medieval ages when everyone was deadly opposed to it.
We call that suppression. If some religious fanatics scream they'll burn anyone who even thinks about "sinfull" acts, you're gonna think twice about telling the crowd.
Yes, everyone can be made to act a certain way depending on how he or she was raised in a specific sort of society, but that doesn't make someone more gay or straight. I'm glad you cleared that up.
But please understand this: Gay parades DON'T make people more gay - and even if they DID, what's the problem?
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Noone can prove it. But in a tolerant society to gays more people will come out as it. And more will be encouraged to be as such( or at least try it). I still think society can shape peoples actions even around that.
And yet even so, with 50+ % of the men in Ancient greece acting extremely gay-tolerant, there wasn't a decrease in population. In fact, if I'm not mistaken most had a wife.
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So, what I find interesting is how it's possible that back then, most were OK about it (I'm still not talking about anal sex), whereas these days, more people seem to shun it. Usually when I see a clip of a punk running headfirst into a wall just because they think it's "cool" I tend to know why - stupidity and macho culture.
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Never said gay people were: Again i said i think its against peoples nature because a surplus of them would be bad for the human race.
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And yet even so, with 50+ % of the men in Ancient greece acting extremely gay-tolerant, there wasn't a decrease in population. In fact, if I'm not mistaken most had a wife.
This is where you seem to missunderstand each other... Roy is talking about a world in which gay people do not have children.
You are talking about the time where "real" love could only exist between men because they were sophisticated and great spirits while women only functioned as baby machines. So in ancient greece repopulating and love were two seperate things. So I don't see why one should argue about this point (besides the fact that there ever will be so many gay people is absolutely ridiculous [atleast for me])
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But i still think under the right conditions someone can be made to act heterosexual and the other way around.
I wonder why you disagree with Roy here Moonlith... saying that someone is born gay is (for me) like saying someone is born evil or good which is preposterous. I know people who weren't gay but then turned gay or gay people who became straigth...
Or do you really have some evidence that there is such a thing as "gay-since-birth"?
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Yes, everyone can be made to act a certain way depending on how he or she was raised in a specific sort of society, but that doesn't make someone more gay or straight. I'm glad you cleared that up.
With that statement I have the same problem as above... How can you say that a human being either IS gay or he ISN'T? You're enviroment will change you no matter what kind of person you are. And it will most definetly affect your sexual orientation. This is atleast what I have seen...
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But please understand this: Gay parades DON'T make people more gay - and even if they DID, what's the problem?
Hmm... I'm in gernal against the idea of makeing someone something but aslong as someone sees a gay parade and chooses freely to become gay there can't possibly be a problem... the crucial point is the "freely" part... OF COURSE no one will force him but I think what Baklava said earlier somewhere might be very true... the way those homosexuals act may misguide unexperienced younglings.
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So, what I find interesting is how it's possible that back then, most were OK about it (I'm still not talking about anal sex), whereas these days, more people seem to shun it.
I personally think it's because back then the sophisticated people were gay (BECAUSE women were considered of lesser value and so back then it was NATURAL to love an equal. But I guess it wasn't unnatural NOT to be gay but still being gay was something natural). Ever since then being diffrent was bad and well gay people are diffrent (not only in christianity in EVERY culture [except for our greek friends]). And well yeah today gays are being prosecuted mainly because people have prejudices against them and they think it's something "bad". Don't ask me why I find it very unreasonabel...
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Usually when I see a clip of a punk running headfirst into a wall just because they think it's "cool" I tend to know why - stupidity and macho culture.
Sorry maybe I don't get the refferance but how is this connected with the gay thing? You mean that gay people wouldn't do such things because macho-culture doesn't aply to them? Not even to talk about stupidity.
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But i still think under the right conditions someone can be made to act heterosexual and the other way around.
I wonder why you disagree with Roy here Moonlith... saying that someone is born gay is (for me) like saying someone is born evil or good which is preposterous. I know people who weren't gay but then turned gay or gay people who became straigth...
Or do you really have some evidence that there is such a thing as "gay-since-birth"?
Not since birth, no, but once your sexuality is set, you cannot change it. Sexual preference and fetishes can't be changed once they have developed - at the most you can DISCOVER you have them. That doesn't mean you've "just gotten" it, it only means you already had it, but weren't aware of it.
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Yes, everyone can be made to act a certain way depending on how he or she was raised in a specific sort of society, but that doesn't make someone more gay or straight. I'm glad you cleared that up.
With that statement I have the same problem as above... How can you say that a human being either IS gay or he ISN'T? You're enviroment will change you no matter what kind of person you are.
Like I said above - at the most you become aware of it, but it doesn't change. People who turn gay have always been gay, just never realized it (or they are simply bisexual), and vice versa for gays turning straight. Regardless of how my environment changes, I don't think my dick will ever grow hard from anything it doesn't grow hard from right now.
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And it will most definetly affect your sexual orientation. This is atleast what I have seen...
Where have you seen that? I would still suspect it's no more than either bisexuals, or people who realize their true sexual orientation. The idea of sexuality "changing" is no more than a misunderstanding due to previously BELIEVING your sexual orientation was different than of what it actually was.
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But please understand this: Gay parades DON'T make people more gay - and even if they DID, what's the problem?
Hmm... I'm in gernal against the idea of makeing someone something but aslong as someone sees a gay parade and chooses freely to become gay there can't possibly be a problem... the crucial point is the "freely" part... OF COURSE no one will force him but I think what Baklava said earlier somewhere might be very true... the way those homosexuals act may misguide unexperienced younglings.
I don't think youths should be watching that period Likewise I don't think youths should be watching any sexual-flavoured parade, regardless if it's homosexual or heterosexual.
If you're talking about teens though, howso misguided? I don't sexual orientation can still change in your teens - well before I was twelve I realized I was interested in both guys and girls.
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Usually when I see a clip of a punk running headfirst into a wall just because they think it's "cool" I tend to know why - stupidity and macho culture.
Sorry maybe I don't get the refferance but how is this connected with the gay thing? You mean that gay people wouldn't do such things because macho-culture doesn't aply to them? Not even to talk about stupidity.
It's just an example of stupidity, the reason I think people hate gays or conceive it as an insult - plain stupidity and ignorance. That's how it's connected
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About nature of course it can make mistakes, have you not heard of the down syndrome? Some people are just not born healthy. Being gay is probably a mix up but then again it's hard to tell how much it is about nature and how much about environment.
Down syndrome is one thing homosexuality is another. Why the natural selection is destroying people with the down syndrome, with the Klinefelter's syndrome or with the Turner syndrome, but it isn't destroying heterosexual mans or womans? Because the syndromes are in the genetic code, the homosexuality is not.
The down syndrome is mistake in the chromosomes, the gays have same chromosomes and genetic material as a normal human, like all of us, thats why they are normal bodily, but under influence of fome factors heterosexual may become homosexual. Like rape, or if they have no father or mother, or if they are under the influence of "gay propaganda".
No one can be born as gay, but he can become one.
And how someone can thing that homosexuality is something normal? I have nothing agains them, they can choose how then want to live, they are free to do it, but really its not normal.
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No one can be born as gay, but he can become one.
Well excuse your ignorance of monumental proportion. Are you doing your own study of what makes one attracted to the opposite sex or is this your phobia of homosexuality itself speaking? You, as the rest of us, have no idea what causes one to have these types of feelings and shame on you for making such an irresponsible statement like that. You get hard evidence and some proof and then spew your words until then I think some checking yourself is in order.
***Goes and watches the wheather channel as that is more interesting then reading statements that are dripping with ignorance****
As far as you saying they are not normal, that is not up for you to decide and it is making a blunt discriminatory statement towards one group of people.
Maybe you should use your edit button again.
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