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mamgaeater
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posted June 02, 2009 01:45 AM |
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"can block as thought this had flying" is Reach's rules text, mamga 
Yes, usually the core sets introduce consolidated mechanics on cards that have been around, so its a safe bet that some new wordings will crop up.
well it wasn't always
either that or i'm already losing my sanity.
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winterfate
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Water-marked Champion!
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posted June 02, 2009 02:05 AM |
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That's a bit overpowered.
So you lose 3 lands to get 9 mana per turn? Where's the catch? 
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sith_of_ziost
Promising
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Scouting the Multiverse
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posted June 02, 2009 02:10 AM |
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So you lose 3 lands to get 9 mana per turn? Where's the catch?
You missed the "Sacrifice Golden Lotus:" part.
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mamgaeater
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posted June 02, 2009 02:11 AM |
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that looks dangerous to introduce... with nine mana i could easily lay down progenitus turn 5... it would be very plausible to do just about anything...
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sith_of_ziost
Promising
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posted June 02, 2009 02:21 AM |
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And that's why its Mythic rare.
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mamgaeater
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posted June 02, 2009 02:39 AM |
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well its not as dreadfully strong as i had thought but its still quite powerful...
best idea i've had with it is to use it with Wog then some big 6 mana fatty. maybe realm razer.
edit: or spellbreaker and some other strong fatty.
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Rarensu
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Formerly known as RTI
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posted June 02, 2009 08:18 AM |
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It is important to note that while Queen of Ants was spoiled using the wording "into the battlefield", golden lotus uses the classic "comes into play". Some players speculation that "into the battlefield" on Queen of Ants was a mistranslation from a foreign version of the card and will not, in fact, be appearing on English cards.
GO(sh) I hope so!
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Disturbed-Gnu
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Pro Bacon Vodka Brewer
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posted June 02, 2009 12:54 PM |
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Golden lotus is awesome! But i'll bet that it becomes damn expensive to buy as a single card.. Minimum as much as Elspeth and/or progentius
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted June 02, 2009 08:26 PM |
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that looks dangerous to introduce... with nine mana i could easily lay down progenitus turn 5... it would be very plausible to do just about anything...
Progenitus can already be played as early as turn three with mana acceleration and Dramatic Entrance. If no combo deck finds it useful (and I wouldn't be surprised if none did), then this won't get played competitively.
Although I wouldn't be surprised to see casual decks with this, Life from the Loam and Manabond.
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Mamgaeater
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posted June 02, 2009 08:38 PM |
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The possible new namechanges i won't quit for but i do still belive that changing playing a spell and casting a spell will cause invariable confusion.
edit: good lord. i've heard mana burn is going to be eliminated...
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sith_of_ziost
Promising
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Scouting the Multiverse
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posted June 03, 2009 03:47 AM |
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As a realist I see that if speculation gets the best of us, we find that we have a hard time distinguishing fact. So I think we should just wait. But if excitement is getting the best of you, by all means, just drop MaRo an e-mail! I'm sure either him or someone will tell you if its either rediculous or possible, naturally avoiding actually spoiling anything.
And, personally, eliminating mana burn would invert the rules, and make no sense Vorthosically. Why worry about mana burn with Kaleidoscope or Doubling Cube? Lets just abuse the rules and play a Cost 14 creature with 5 mana! [/hypothetical crap]
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Mamgaeater
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posted June 03, 2009 03:50 AM |
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Well maro did just recently state that he didn't like mana burn and he will be writing an article on it in a few weeks time.
not really proof but its pretty darn convincing.
hmm a potential zendikaar planeswalker has been announced.
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Rarensu
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posted June 04, 2009 06:42 AM |
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It is important to note that a difference exists between mana burn and mana pools emptying. It is unthinkable that wizards would allow mana to float across phases and turns. However, the life loss caused by emptying of mana pools is another thing.
I think that mana loss without life loss is a good idea. After all, wasting of resources is its own punishment - why do we need the life loss? Do we really think that newbs will never learn to tap their mana sources efficiently if we don't burn them for not doing so? There are only a handful of cards which could burn a player enough to matter, and an even fewer number which get significantly worse without burn. Removing the life loss from mana loss has no tangible impact on the game.
In order for a game to be fun, it has to be simple enough that a new player can learn it faster than he or she loses interest. One of Magic's greatest weaknesses is that is takes many hours to learn all of the rules relevant to even a simple game. Cutting down on useless outdated rules makes Magic a better place for novices, and Mana Burn is an example of such a rule.
The question is - do we want more new players to join the Magic community? I do; in my opinion, there are too many players who take the game too seriously, and R&D's card-design policies have begun to reflect that. More new players would dilute this stagnating effect on card design and make the Magic community a happier place.
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Ecoris
Promising
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posted June 04, 2009 12:07 PM |
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"can block as thought this had flying" is Reach's rules text, mamga
In fact, it is not. The rule is:
"A creature with flying can’t be blocked except by creatures with flying and/or reach."
Having reach is functionally different from having the ability "[This] can block as though it had flying." Though the difference is hardly ever relevant.
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Lord_Woock
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Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted June 04, 2009 07:24 PM |
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Having reach is functionally different from having the ability "[This] can block as though it had flying." Though the difference is hardly ever relevant.
The ability "can block as though it had flying" no longer exists due to the confusion caused by creatures that can't be blocked by creatures with flying. Can Giant Spider block that or not?
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Mamgaeater
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posted June 04, 2009 08:42 PM |
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can i use voidslime to counter golden lotus's ability?
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Mamgaeater
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posted June 04, 2009 08:44 PM |
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can i use voidslime to counter golden lotus's ability?
@Rarensu
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The question is - do we want more new players to join the Magic community? I do; in my opinion, there are too many players who take the game too seriously, and R&D's card-design policies have begun to reflect that. More new players would dilute this stagnating effect on card design and make the Magic community a happier place.
is changing 'play' to 'cast' a change that will make magic more 'acceptable' to outsiders?
i'd be more concerned with players getting mixed up over playing a spell and casting a spell...
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Lord_Woock
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posted June 04, 2009 08:58 PM |
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can i use voidslime to counter golden lotus's ability?
No, because Voidslime can't target a mana ability.
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Mamgaeater
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posted June 04, 2009 11:24 PM |
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well it turns out the answer was no anyway (i was talking about the sacrifice clause)... i realized that the land saccing is a replacement ability.
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Rarensu
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posted June 05, 2009 05:44 AM |
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can i use voidslime to counter golden lotus's ability?
No, because Voidslime can't target a mana ability.
Voidslime might be able to counter the ability that would cause the lotus's controller to sacrifice three lands. Its a triggered ability on MTGsalvation official spoiler, and a replacement ability on other sources. We won't know for sure until the card is spoiled on wizards.com.
Nothing on any card, real or in Garfield's wildest dreams, can stop a GL from adding 9 mana once it's been sacrificed.
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