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angelito
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posted January 31, 2008 11:31 PM
Edited by angelito at 23:32, 31 Jan 2008.

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AKA:The only thing I ment with liar is that the ppl at the scene are lying maybe not you.And as for murderers,it was the Milosevic regime and the authorities of that time...
Maybe u take this experience for your future posts and state clearly whom you are talking about and provide missunderstandings from the very start, ok?


But to get on topic, I state my last question here again and hope someone (maybe a serbian fellow) can answer?

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Could someone explain me the negative outcome for Serbia if Kosovo becomes independant?

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posted February 01, 2008 12:37 AM

Its a lose battle angelito,i asked it myself sever times,i asked even worse questions,why is support in the EU and the USA are considerd bad by serbian politicans that shown by vidjoia? couse they support kosovo,kosovo. are there some pro-kosovo serbian politics going on? I do not know,neither of those 'siders' want to show us. belive it or not i actualy susspected much more the birh of threads like :"the indepency of angelito","angelito are not terrorist", and "angelito deeds".oh well..i guess ill start them myself.

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posted February 01, 2008 04:51 AM

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But to get on topic, I state my last question here again and hope someone (maybe a serbian fellow) can answer?

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Could someone explain me the negative outcome for Serbia if Kosovo becomes independant?

The secession would undermine the sovereignty of the state and jeopardize its integrity, encouraging other separatists (Sanjak, Vojvodina, Preshevo Valley). In addition, the loss of "the cradle of Serbian culture" and "Serbian holy land" would renew nationalism in Serbia, endangering the fragile democracy and finally resulting in isolation of the country. Finally, the Serbian minority in Kosovo, especially in the southern enclaves, would feel threatened and most likely emigrate to Serbia proper.

Arguably, losing part of the territory would spell economic loss for Serbia as well. On the other hand, Kosovo has been a black hole for decades, economy wise. According to a recent survey, the province has the unemployment rate of 40%, import-export ratio of 20 to 1, 8% of the population is illiterate, average monthly wage is 200+ euros, 2/3 of households don't have a telephone line, while 1/3 lacks flush toilets, etc.

The question is - what would Serbia gain if it kept Kosovo under its control? Nearly two million hostile citizens, whose children don't even speak Serbian.


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posted February 01, 2008 05:00 AM
Edited by Vlaad at 05:03, 01 Feb 2008.

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Its a lose battle angelito,i asked it myself sever times,i asked even worse questions,why is support in the EU and the USA are considerd bad by serbian politicans that shown by vidjoia? couse they support kosovo,kosovo. are there some pro-kosovo serbian politics going on? I do not know,neither of those 'siders' want to show us.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean... Are you asking if any of the Serbian politicians support the independence of Kosovo? Yes, Jovanovic's Liberal Democrat Party - which won 5-6% of votes. If you're asking whether Serbs support pro-European policy, the answer is yes - according to this month's polls, 75% of the population are in favor of European integrations.

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posted February 01, 2008 09:56 AM
Edited by baklava at 09:58, 01 Feb 2008.

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The secession would undermine the sovereignty of the state and jeopardize its integrity, encouraging other separatists (Sanjak, Vojvodina, Preshevo Valley). In addition, the loss of "the cradle of Serbian culture" and "Serbian holy land" would renew nationalism in Serbia, endangering the fragile democracy and finally resulting in isolation of the country. Finally, the Serbian minority in Kosovo, especially in the southern enclaves, would feel threatened and most likely emigrate to Serbia proper.

Apart from that, other troubled regions worldwide might start getting the same ideas (if they could get independence, why can't we?), which might lead to mass increase of instability in several other countries and territories.
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posted February 01, 2008 04:13 PM

We support Europe, even Tomislav Nikolic supports Europe. Someone blames him because of oftenly stating some facts: Serb emigrations from Croatia and Bosnia, NATO bombing, etc. But, if it doesn't mean that Kosovo will be indipendant(maybe EU says: We'll brake your territory, feel free to come in our family), every Serb would be for European integrations. More talk on the president topic....
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posted February 03, 2008 04:11 AM
Edited by Vlaad at 04:57, 03 Feb 2008.

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even Tomislav Nikolic supports Europe.
False. Nikolic is against our cooperation with the International Criminal Tribunal in the Hague (the lack of cooperation of the current PM is one of the reasons our progress to EU has come to a halt). Nikolic is the deputy leader of the political party that was Milosevic's coalition partner in the worst period of Serbian history, the party that spread hate, organized paramilitary troops and suppressed the freedom of press. European Union doesn't mean a higher standard of living; it represents a set of values, such as peace, democracy and human rights - all the values Nikolic has always rejected.
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antipaladin
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posted February 03, 2008 09:42 AM

With Nikolich win over tadich kosovo wont have it Indepedence,does this means war ? i imagine if war erupt between kosovonians and serbs,albania and croatia will intearfear in kosovo side,will tide it,one country will take another,before we know it we could have WW3. Furthemore irony that the balkan fire raged nationalism 100 years ago,for ww1,and will end it,in ww3. Hah.
Be smart Vidoja,stop the hate,be the better person,dont listen to hate spreading,this includes you too seraphim, the propaganda of both side radicals,have spread the haterd and lies.
You guys have no idea what your talking about. Unless you want bloody long war,prevent it in any cost.
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posted February 03, 2008 03:01 PM

If Albanians can be radical, and if they can get support, why can't the less-worse Serbian radicals be supported? Maybe because George W. Bush donated his watch to the Albanians
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posted February 03, 2008 04:01 PM

I dobt albanians are any more radical then serbs
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less-worse

so sobjective my frinde..the way you see it does not nesserly means this is the fact.
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posted February 16, 2008 02:42 PM

Looks like it becomes reality tomorrow.
Serbia already stated, every country who accepts the new status of Kosovo won't have the same diplomatic relationship to Serbia as before.
The question is....do those states need Serbia more then Serbia needs these states?..
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posted February 16, 2008 03:07 PM

The question is, who gives a crap.
We've built better relations with USA over the last 8 years, and it's not like they're noticing it. They've already decided who are the good, and who the bad guys and that's it. Britain and the bunch are just following them, hoping to get a cookie or something.
So if our relations are already bad, and the only way they can improve is that we give the USA blowjobs for some three centuries in continuity, we can as well say that we don't like that. Openly stating that our relations with countries that recognize Kosovo will deteriorate is simply reality. I don't see the purpose in pretending it didn't happen at all.
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posted February 16, 2008 03:58 PM

It is a complicated matter... Although the majority is Albanian, it became so through ethnic cleansing by the hands of Mussolini, not to mention that it is necessary to be wary of a tyranny of the majority against a minority. But the Albanian people are already there, and it's not their fault that they were brought there half a century ago, they're not that same generation. So, whichever action will bring some evil to one of the two groups living there, it is really a delicate situation.

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posted February 16, 2008 04:08 PM

We are having our independence day tomorow,so all in all a happy end in my opinion.
As for Serbia,they have confirmed embargo against Kosovo and blocking the border forever because theu never will accept KOsovo as a state.
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posted February 16, 2008 05:31 PM

Finland will recognize Kosovo's independence on Monday with over 20 other European countries (BBC). This even though a high Russian minister Konstantin Kosatshov has stated this would cause problems for the Finnish-Russian relationship. "As soon as Finland recognizes Kosovo independence, I do not know if in the future we will have anything to discuss in the UN Security Counsil."

But it might be just a renegade politician, Putin might later announce that it is not the official stand of Russia. We shall see. Anyways I hope tomorrow will go smoothly in Kosovo.

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posted February 16, 2008 05:42 PM
Edited by Vlaad at 17:47, 18 Feb 2008.

@ angelito
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Looks like it becomes reality tomorrow.
Serbia already stated, every country who accepts the new status of Kosovo won't have the same diplomatic relationship to Serbia as before.
The question is....do those states need Serbia more then Serbia needs these states?..
I'm sure those are just temporary measures. If this entire hoopla goes without violence, Serbia will resume its pro-European course... Had Serbia joined EU in the years after Milosevic, the independence of Kosovo would be much harder nowadays.

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We are having our independence day tomorow,so all in all a happy end in my opinion.
As for Serbia,they have confirmed embargo against Kosovo and blocking the border forever because theu never will accept KOsovo as a state
I'd be surprised if the embargo really took place. It would hurt only Serbia, because its export is 250 million $, while its import from Kosovo is insignificant (15 million $). Finally, Kosovo would turn to other countries (namely Macedonia) and Serbia would lose a market of two million people (although I do understand that such an emotional decision could be made in the following days).
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posted February 16, 2008 08:02 PM - penalty applied by angelito on 16 Feb 2008.

Goodbuye HC, see you Seraphim and angelito and all of you Devil-worshiping bastards at God's court. Before I go, I wanna state my oppinions for all of you:
BASTARDS
Angelito - Serb hating
Seraphim - **************************************
antipaladin - he ist on lowsy speleng confust people
I would add also:
That red-archer guy
the cheater in my competition
pandora - ortodox hater
etc.

GOOD GUYS
Kronos1000
Elvin
Baklava
Wulfstan
Cepheus (he aint that bad)
I think that is that. Guys who had good conversations with me are also good. One last thing:

KOSOVO IS SERBIA!

Goodbuye to the good guys
To hell with the others
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posted February 16, 2008 08:50 PM

Some guys need a lesson in "How can I control my temper even though it is winter time".
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posted February 16, 2008 09:08 PM

Good thing i didn't join this discussion because i would have surely ended on bastards list.
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posted February 16, 2008 09:27 PM

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antipaladin - he ist on lowsy speleng confust people
anyone else found this ironic?
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