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posted January 04, 2008 03:02 AM
Edited by mvassilev at 03:02, 04 Jan 2008.

Muslims are not terrorists

I have seen much anti-Muslim sentiment here in recent months and it has to stop.

Antipaladin, Attack Iraq, talking about Israel:
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Yes,current freedom is not perfect,but under suni muslim rule,of terrorist it will be MUCH worse.


Roy-algriffin, Attack Iraq:
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if you lack the foresight to see that the muslim are a pretty serious threat
Offensive statement.

Antipaladin, Attack Iraq:
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if you didnt step in,and israel would be long destoryed,by 2100 america would be only not muslim country,and by 2105 that'd change,into a tremendus blood baths,a civil war,and a crusade.
Implies that Islam seeks to destroy the Western world.

Vidoja, Indipendance [sic] of Kosovo:
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Albanians and the Nazi

Albanian killing a Serb priest
Specifically connects Muslim Albanians to the Nazis, and implies that they are murderers.

ZanJerusalem, Indipendance of Kosovo:
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The Moslems are intruders and should be threatened as such!
Offensive statement.

VoikalBG, Indipendance of Kosovo:
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[A]ll orthodox countries must fight against the islamisation on the Balkans.
Calls for violence against Islam.

Vidoja, Indipendance of Kosovo:
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And might I ask who spills blood in Kosovo? Albanians. So the only way for the blood to be spilled is for the Albanians to stop spilling the blood.
Suggests that Serbians don't retaliate in kind to the attacks by Albanian terrorist groups.

Muslims are not terrorists. Some terrorists are Muslims. Many aren't. The expansion of Islam did create many problems that remain in modern society, but that is no reason to blame today's Muslims for it. Most of them didn't convert to Islam, but were brought up in it, and it's not their fault that they live and have jobs in non-Muslim/formerly non-Muslim communities. They shouldn't be forced to move, they have as many rights as anybody else.
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posted January 04, 2008 03:34 AM
Edited by roy-algriffin at 03:43, 04 Jan 2008.

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you lack the foresight to see that the muslim are a pretty serious threat

Foresight implies that they are a potential threat. But i didnt mean all muslims are evil or such anyway . Even a good person can be a threat. But i meant it in a more general and vague way, as in the goverment of muslims is a threat(to isreal, If given free reign) . But if youd like id look up the dictionary definition
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an indication or warning of probable trouble: The threat of a storm was in the air.

As in it is probable.
So no. Its not really anti-muslim. Maybe Fearing of muslim potential, But not actual hate as a whole of every individual .

Edit: Besides that your needlessly nitpicking , Not everything thats said there is even remotely related to thinking theyre terrorists, or evil. Most of us know in fact a lot of them are good people , That doesnt mean theres influential and charismatic leaders that are making a percentage of them into terrorists.
And as a personal note, I do not hate muslims and i doubt anyone on this forum would openly admit to that ( though i sincerely think that the vast vast majority of them are good and kind people). But i wouldnt really support anyone who openly knew about a terrorist and did nothing, Thats nearly as bad as actually being one.
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posted January 04, 2008 04:14 AM

I doubt that anyone in this communnity would support terrorists. But by your definition, you think that the Muslims are trouble.

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posted January 04, 2008 04:23 AM

It's not that the Muslims are trouble, it's a group of people who happen to be Muslim that are trouble. There's a difference.

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posted January 04, 2008 04:28 AM

Quite frankly I find all religious fanatics to be trouble...

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posted January 04, 2008 04:30 AM

Yes, but they're saying "Muslims", not "extreme Muslims". That's a major difference.

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posted January 04, 2008 07:36 AM

its funny how you take a setence here and there without copying whole post...

I ment was that Under Muslim Terrorists,not muslim,but muslim terrorsits,which are muslim terrosists and not just muslim,living under themn is tryaniy.
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posted January 04, 2008 07:47 AM
Edited by TnT_Addict at 15:56, 05 Jan 2008.

ZOMG I can't believe I'm posting in the other side :O

Many Muslims ARE terrorists.

And no I won't give any descriptions... No yes I would.

Just the other week ago, an ordinary guy tried to get to jerusalem but made some sort of GPS related mistake and turned right instead of left and found himself near Rammalah. If not for two "normal" muslims that told him to quickly turn back he would have been kicked, beaten, spit at, burned and torn to pieces by more than a thousand palestinians.

So here the math 2 < 1000

While any arab can walk freely here in Israel, if an Israely steps his foot on arab territory like 2 soldiers who were on a picnic with their another friend near Hevron and of course were immidiately shot dead he'll be either killed or beaten or humiliated or taken prisoner, geeee let me think some more about this thread's title
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posted January 04, 2008 08:54 AM
Edited by Azagal at 08:55, 04 Jan 2008.

@TNT I do not mean to lecture you as I'm not in the position.Nevertheless:
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Muslims ARE terrorists.

You say that as if that was a fact.I know you meant to but I am sure that you know that the situation you have in Israel and Palestina is not how it is in the rest of the world.
I will not say that I "understand" how you feel because I can't possible know what it's like to live there when I all my life never had to worry about suicide attacks, racial hate, religious fanatics (muslim or whatever they may be), being deported and all the other things that happen/happend in your enviroment.
Sorry but your statement can't be true. The origins of the hate is not the fact that the palestinians are muslim! If they were christians they would hate Israel just as much.

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So here the math 2 < 1000

Ok that was an example for your region... now look at all muslim people in the world. I assure you it will not be like this it will be:
A majority of Muslims and a minority of fanatics who are in charge.
After the danish caricature all hell broke lose and all those people who said "Burn all infidels" and all that stuff were most certainly a lot of people but nevertheless not the majority. I have no proof for what I say as I don't have statistics or surveys but
1. Logical thinking is not a gift of "non-Muslims" so the majority simply can't be terrorist
2. I've read so in serious papers

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While any arab can walk freely here in Israel, if an Israely steps his foot on arab territory like 2 soldiers who were on a picnic with their another friend near Hevron and of course were immidiately shot dead he'll be either killed or beaten or humiliated or taken prisoner, geeee let me think some more about this thread's title

Things are out of hand in your region!! You can't use it to Judge all muslim people!!
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Muslims ARE terrorists.

Do you know what you are saying?!? Muslims are millions of people! The "big" muslims you here about are terrorist but those are single individuals who happen to be muslim! And yes they use the Islam to "prove" racial hate and give reasons for killing "infidels" but how the hell can a reasonable human being say that ALL Muslims are terrorist?! Once again I am sure that you have reasons for what you say but if you take a second to think about it you must see how you can't be right and how intolerant and (pardon me) thougtless your statement is.
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posted January 04, 2008 09:03 AM
Edited by radar at 09:05, 04 Jan 2008.

Some quotes from Koran (though can't call it quotes since I'm translating it):

IX, l 123
123 You, who believe
Fight with those among the non-believers,
who are close to you.
Let them meet with your anger.

IX, l 5
5 And when the holy months will pass,
kill the figure-worshippers,
there where you will find them;
chatch them and siege,
and prepare for them miscellaneous traps!
But if they will convert themselves,
and then will pray,
and give alms,
then let them free.
God is merciful and forgiving!

XXII, l 19-22

Those, who didn't belive,
will have clothes made of fire,
and their heads will be poured with boiled water,
20 which will melt their bowels and skin.
21 There will be iron rods with hooks for them,
22 Every time they will try to escape,
suffering from agony,
they will get there back.
"Taste the punishment of flaming fire"

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posted January 04, 2008 09:19 AM
Edited by TnT_Addict at 15:58, 05 Jan 2008.

So in short "Kill, crush and destroy."

Wait @Zaggy so Arabs are not muslims, muslims are not Palestinian and Palestinians are not arabs?

A big part of Muslims or arabs or Palestinians whatever are plain animals, they are constantly fighting with themselves killing each other without any mercy cause everyone of them thinks that he knows what's right, so tell me...

If the Koran is same for everyone then why there is no agreement between them?
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posted January 04, 2008 09:32 AM

If the bible is same for everyone then why there is no concensus among christians either?

Muslims don't only live in Middle-East you know. There are also major muslim countries in far east too.

As for the muslims I know they are what you call "normal" people. They are originally from Iraq and Indonesia. Why wouldn't the majority be like that then?

Maybe because you live in the middle of propaganda. Wanna quess what Finnish people think about the Russians?
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posted January 04, 2008 09:46 AM
Edited by Azagal at 09:47, 04 Jan 2008.

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So in short "Kill, crush and destroy."

Tzzz... Have you ever read the bible...?Have you ever read ANY holy book? All religious books have that offensive nonsense! There are also "good" lines in the Koran (eventhough I don't know them as I'm not muslim) but claiming that the Koran is full of "Kill,crush and destroy" is bullsnow! Those quotes prove nothing!

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Muslims or arabs or Palestinians whatever are plain animals
What the hell is your problem?!? You are not talking about the people in your region who are responsabil for crimes but about ALL!! That is pure racism! I don't care how much you hate those people but this is NOT what you should say about this group of people its wrong. For heavens sake your 24! You should know better than to write such brainwashed thrash!
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are plain animals
Do you realise what you are saying?!? It is exactly your attitude that prevents peace! The people you describe are thinking exactly the same about you so how do your posts make you any better than them?!

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they are constantly fighting with themselves killing each other without any mercy cause everyone of them thinks that he knows what's right, so tell me...

OH like that's NEVER been the case anywhere in the world!I'm not saying it's right but for heavens sake it's no reason to call them animals!

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If the Koran is same for everyone then why there is no agreement between them?

Tzzz. The Bible is the same for everbody to but we have plenty of diffrent churches...
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posted January 04, 2008 09:58 AM
Edited by radar at 10:09, 04 Jan 2008.

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All religious books have that offensive nonsense! There are also "good" lines in the Koran (eventhough I don't know them as I'm not muslim) but claiming that the Koran is full of "Kill,crush and destroy" is bull****! Those quotes prove nothing!


Of course bible has prophecies telling those who dont believe will go to hell, but it doesn't have a context like 'you are holy inquisitor, kill all the Christians and Judes, blebleble'

Christian God theoretically gave people the stone tables, on whcih there were written words like "don't kill" - he wouldn't deny himself.

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posted January 04, 2008 10:06 AM

Yes. You are correct there are no quotes (atleast none that I know of) that tell a christian to kill. But what about the crusades?? Basically every knight was a "holly crusader" who should "drive aways the infidels from the holy city". Isn't that the same when the pope tells people to kill?
Nowdays christians can't use the bible to really give reasons to actually kill somebody unlike the koran. Yes. If that was what you ment. But it doesn't prove in any way that muslims are terrorist does it?
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posted January 04, 2008 10:20 AM
Edited by VokialBG at 10:23, 04 Jan 2008.

@mvassilev: Do you know what is the islamisation on the Balkans? I think you don't. The fight agains the islamisation here is not to kill muslims, by starting a crusade, the fight agains the islamisation is culture fight. Most of the bulgarian population in the Rodopi (mountain in Bulgaria) is islamic, they were christians to 17th century, but the turcks make them muslims through violence. When the ottoman army is in the bulgarian village they just said - "take the islam - take your live, be christian, leave your head!". Today after the christians there ware killed centuris ago the population is of "balgari-mohamedani" (muslims) they are called "pomaks" (bg:) - half-million people. Now they are fanatics, they attack nearly christian villages, they destroy churches, they kill priests, but they are bulgarians. Whats the problem? They can be muslims but why they need to do this? They can just live there normal.
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posted January 04, 2008 10:28 AM
Edited by radar at 10:30, 04 Jan 2008.

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But what about the crusades?? ...  Isn't that the same when the pope tells people to kill?


Yes, this was about the same. But the Pope can't stand above God's laws.

It is written in the Bible anyway:

"Anything that you will bind on Earth will be bound in Haven" - that's Jesus words to st. Peter.

Well, I can't say this one was...

V - XV centturies known also as dark ages - not without a reason - brought couple of religius bullsnow, like Child Crusades or witch hunts, moreover Popes which ones were not supposed to be Popes .

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. But it doesn't prove in any way that muslims are terrorist does it?

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christians can't use the bible to really give reasons to actually kill somebody unlike the koran


I would call them terrorists as Koran didn't change from medieval one so it still tends muslims to kill.

Hopefully we don't have a medieval pope.
Last war I heard he declaired was war with... satan, in the case for he wants to 'train' exorcists.

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posted January 04, 2008 12:30 PM

Sorry that my language is not to your liking but I am sick of watching those masked goblins release hundreds of Kassam missiles each day on the innocent people of Sderot, shoot their guns in the air in the middle of a city without any police doing anything, teenagers not going to school but to their stupid training camps or either throwing stones at our soldiers that at least trying to keep some sort of discipline or burning our nations and USAs flags singing "Kill all Israelies and Americans."

And that little monkey doodle from Iran that braggs about his ONE incoming atom bomb and threatens us with it while we have hunderds of them really gets to me.
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posted January 04, 2008 02:29 PM

From the masterpost i only have to say: No muslims are not terrorist. Some muslims are nice persons who tries to live a good life. sadly, those bad muslims, terrorist, muslims in other countries that dont follow the rules give the good muslims a bad reputation and that affects peoples view on muslims. They made the bad reputation and in my view they should try to fix it themselves.
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posted January 04, 2008 02:34 PM

To be hoenst, Do not expect isrealis like me to have a very great love for arabs Muslims is quite a different thing on the whole, But its hard for us to trust them. While i am lucky enough not to have a lost a relative to suicide bombings, many have. People should probably respect that its very very difficult for us to like anyone that comes under the definition of "arabic looking" Though we can eventually get to know them. But remember that Isreal is really very anti-arabic on the whole. Which isnt surprising at all.
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