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Tito_Reni
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posted June 08, 2017 12:59 AM

If I have to choose between cry or laugh, I choose laugh. Anyway, have some more videos from two different guys:

Squatting Slav TV (About Poland not taking immigrants)

Last Varg Vikernes video
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posted June 08, 2017 02:19 AM
Edited by fred79 at 03:40, 08 Jun 2017.

@ artu: i can't get the link to load. but there is more than one video that was posted, and many more(and much more information besides clear-cut videos) that haven't been. i would say it's up to you to search, but i know you won't. just like i know you won't go looking for god anytime soon.

off-topic/

@ verriker: i only left(really, like i didn't visit) for two weeks. i've been watching since then. i can't seem to stop myself. i guess it's because i cultivated relationships here. i have had to stop myself from posting(even after i already typed everything out), more than a few times since then. it seems it's a losing battle. at least on important matters.

as far as my credibility goes; i've been at 4chan since the year it started, so i know what i'm dealing with. their information is somewhat like real news: you have to sift through the bullsnow(trolling, in 4chan's case) to find the truth. but, unlike real news, they HAVE the truth(*unless of course, an enemy sprang up, and you want to do some ACTUAL journalism to unveil the p.o.s. that is trump. just don't expect that kind of in-depth journalism and revealing, when a POLITICIAN gets elected into presidency. people are KILLED when they try to reveal THEIR secrets*cough cough HILLARY cough cough*). don't forget that they, among others, get their news straight from the source(through hacking, if the information is able to be found on the internet/darknet). meaning, uncut and "unrefined". but, just like news that is pushed out in mass-media, you have to sift through what's there, to find real information. in mass-media news, though, you SHOULD be paying attention to WHY they're saying what they're saying(since WHAT they're saying is usually just emotion-jerking follow-the-carrot type stuff). you should be asking yourself, what can they GAIN by telling us this? who will BENEFIT from it?

now, of course, which of these discussed sources, do you think, has the most money to throw at media manipulation to sway the masses?

@ new guy: if you want to make any sort of dent in the minds of the skeptics here at hc, i'd suggest straight-cut video like in the post i addressed before. youtube videos where people discuss what's going on isn't really going to get the point across. it'll be written off as bunk(sadly enough, when mass-media reports, they never stop to even THINK about writing it off).

*to be clear, i'm talking about mass-media "journalists" in the parenthesis.

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artu
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posted June 08, 2017 04:09 AM
Edited by artu at 04:10, 08 Jun 2017.

Does any of the videos change the parameters? No. It is something happening in broad daylight in a street with bypassers, the guy who blew it out of proportion is recording the whole thing right in front of them and they don't seem to mind a bit, do they. Is that how people trying to stage something literally fake would try to pull it off or how they would react if they were being filmed while doing it. No.

Also, you must really give up on the notion that people who object to your conspricies  are not aware of the fact that mass media can be biased or politically motivated sometimes, it's just that there is a difference of magnitude in the things you accuse them of and the manipulation they actually try to pull off.
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posted June 08, 2017 06:55 AM

I think linking Alex Jones alt-right conspiracy clips in every topic should constitute as spamming, and hence earn a warning. Just saying.

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verriker
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posted June 08, 2017 07:10 AM

fred79 said:
@ verriker: i only left(really, like i didn't visit) for two weeks. i've been watching since then. i can't seem to stop myself. i guess it's because i cultivated relationships here. i have had to stop myself from posting(even after i already typed everything out), more than a few times since then. it seems it's a losing battle. at least on important matters.


for sure mate, HC is not only Heroes Community but also the Hotel California lol

last thing I remember, I was running for the door, I had to find the passage back to the place I was before,
relax said the night man, we are programmed to receive, you can check-out any time you like, but you caaan neeever leeaave lol

fred79 said:
as far as my credibility goes; i've been at 4chan since the year it started, so i know what i'm dealing with. their information is somewhat like real news: you have to sift through the bullsnow(trolling, in 4chan's case) to find the truth. but, unlike real news, they HAVE the truth(*unless of course, an enemy sprang up, and you want to do some ACTUAL journalism to unveil the p.o.s. that is trump. just don't expect that kind of in-depth journalism and revealing, when a POLITICIAN gets elected into presidency. people are KILLED when they try to reveal THEIR secrets*cough cough HILLARY cough cough*). don't forget that they, among others, get their news straight from the source(through hacking, if the information is able to be found on the internet/darknet). meaning, uncut and "unrefined". but, just like news that is pushed out in mass-media, you have to sift through what's there, to find real information. in mass-media news, though, you SHOULD be paying attention to WHY they're saying what they're saying(since WHAT they're saying is usually just emotion-jerking follow-the-carrot type stuff). you should be asking yourself, what can they GAIN by telling us this? who will BENEFIT from it?

now, of course, which of these discussed sources, do you think, has the most money to throw at media manipulation to sway the masses?


fred now that I hear your nuanced view on 4chan I can shake hands and more or less agree with you, there is legitimate and very interesting content posted there and it is valuable to that extent but you must wade through oceans and oceans of fecal matter and other unhygenic substances to get to it lol

I was really just checking if you were espousing 4chan for the wrong reasons which I think you are not (although I do think you are wrong about Clinton assassinating people and some of the other conspiracies you link or mention, smells like fake news) lol

about the mass media again I just have to refer to my previous mention that I like to evaluate each source and in some cases even each individual because quality may vary, but I do not disagree with anybody that in general the mass media is a hack job,
actually here in Britain with the election it has exposed once again that with the exception of The Guardian and some outliers we have the worst, most destructive propaganda gutter press in the developed world, really the brainwash bias and slander in favour of the Tory establishment is ******* next level out of this world, not worth to wipe your ass with lol

a more relevant media evil I would also cite is our practice of turning the Muslim terrorists into renowned superstars,
basically as soon as there is an incident it becomes the hivemind wall to wall focus of the news to zone in with full force on the life of the terrorist, who was it, what is its agenda, how did it do it, who are its parents, what did it have for breakfast etc, hours and hours of mind numbing coverage of this murderer, literally marketing it and promoting its life and message on the world stage free of charge, while spending only five seconds on his victims to the point you will know all about the terrorist and nothing about his victims, when promoting the terrorist as they are doing is exactly the main thing that is perpetuating the terrorism lol

each time they will have broadcasts disingenuously saying "ooh as London or wherever reels or recovers people are trying to make sense of it all, what motivates these men, the only question is, why" and such cushy affectation bollocks while not acknowledging that they are the main part of that "why", being willful enablers, when in an ideal world they should talk about the terrorist only for five seconds and move away from it to suffocate its message lol

you too can get a dream platform to spread your philosophy and be elevated to a famous antihero for the ages if you will blow people up in the city center, hmm I sure wonder why that keeps happening, must only be the Islam religion or immigration's fault certainly not a corrupt and frighteningly sociopathic media fault lol
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Zenofex
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posted June 08, 2017 07:15 AM

artu said:
Those "characteristics" that you speak of are not about normative details tough, for instance you can vaguely say things like Chinese culture values patience and they are less individualistic in their goals compared to Nordic people or that Mediterrenian culture is easy and relaxed etc but if you happen to think that people in China or India live their daily lives like they do in 1840 or even 1940 or that their literalism about their own religions still stays the same despite those changes, that would be a great mistake. (We are less aware of their transformations since they are comparatively introvert, reading world literature is a great way to overcome that.) Such an assumption would be not much different than people thinking that everybody in the Balkans are peasants in farms and they are all devoted Orthodox Christians, Living in Bulgaria, you'd know better but how many foregniers would take the time to know that? You can say there are significantly more conservative people in the Balkans compared to its Western neighbors that were industrialized earlier but to think your generation and your grandfathers were the same, that would be a mistake.

Also, progressive was Sal's definition of my words, not my own. Do I see the fading out of Abrahamic religions as progress, I certainly do so. But I'm not referring to a deterministic line of straight progress each passing century or something like that, remember it was me who brought up that some anthropologists think that hunter gatherers were happier than farmers. Once you go farming though, hunter gatherer norms and values cant stay there forever, they wont be dropped over a generation but they will transform one way or the other. It's the same with agricultural religions. No dogma that produces normative set of rules can withstand social evolution, at first it adapts to it (secularism, seperation of church and state etc) and when the gap widens, it becomes less and less relevant, until it transforms into mythology. In the age of mass media, not even the most hardcore Muslim would try to defend that presenting human figures is forbidden for example, we had them in the 50's, now they are extinct.
I'm not talking about prejudices or (self-imposed) limited view of how other countries or the world looks like but about mindset and social features which remain relatively stable over time and can - given the right circumstances - even lead to the re-emergence of something which would otherwise be considered historically extinct - something like a recessive social gene. Talking about Bulgaria, one of our best modern authors who lived in XIX century wrote a short story about the elections in one particular district and when you read it more than 100 years later, no matter that we have had 4 major wars, many shifts in the political landscape with all sorts of orientations and 45 years of Soviet-style socialistic rule followed by establishment of what's supposed to be "modern democracy", it still feels like he's writing about something which happened the other day, just with a few exotic colours here and there. Going further back you can find such similarities in how people behave now during the Ottoman times and even before that. Talking about the Muslims in the Middle East, one can argue that they become more conservative than before around the beginning of XX century as a reaction to the colonial rule and this continues to give its negative results today.

Extinction is something which can happen on biological level, socially it's much more complex and dependent on the region and external events. You rely too much on information technologies to educate people how to think "progressively" but it's not really working like that - you can give a Muslim 100 hard evidences that what he believes in is just some phantasmagorical anachronism but he'll reject them all if he perceives you or the culture you represent as something hostile. Even in the West the mass media is considered untrustworthy, full of disinformation and a conductor of certain private or state interests which have little to do with your own, what's left for some commoner living in a society which is still largely medieval and which is constantly antagonized by the same civilization which has originated the mass media in the first place?

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Salamandre
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posted June 08, 2017 07:49 AM

Oh dear, that's really a new level you reached there:

verriker said:
as soon as there is an incident it becomes the hivemind wall to wall focus of the news to zone in with full force on the life of the terrorist,


An incident. Mass killing of innocent people is "an incident" for you. Like, by inattention, I drove into a pillar and scratched my car. This is an incident, dude.

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when promoting the terrorist as they are doing is exactly the main thing that is perpetuating the terrorism lol


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when in an ideal world they should talk about the terrorist only for five seconds and move away from it to suffocate its message


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must only be the Islam religion or immigration's fault certainly not a corrupt and frighteningly sociopathic media fault


That's fine, between the lols, sanctimony and clowning, we finally got to hear your precious analyses, which basically say: when we talk -more than 5 seconds- and report terror attacks where real people are shredded, this will only promote terrorism, and of course that it is the media, by reporting it who really feeds the hate this people have towards our societies. So your brilliant solutions, if I resume well, would be to shut up every person criticizing the politics of integration, because this is what happens when terror peaks, shut up medias from analyzing the causes, because this will provoke more causes, then get medical care for all those sociopathic journalists because its they who create the terror, by reporting it. Why I am not surprised, after all, JJ also advocates not using prisons for criminals, you guys go  perfectly along, living in an ideal world where every offending thought or act should just be censored -and possibly punished, except when it comes from real criminals. Hopefully people are sensed, seek for realistic solutions and will never listen to such bollocks.
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verriker
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posted June 08, 2017 07:50 AM

Salamandre said:
That's fine, between the lols, sanctimony and clowning, we finally got to hear your precious analyses, which basically say: when we talk -more than 5 seconds- and report terror attacks where real people are shredded, this will only promote terrorism, and of course that it is the media, by reporting it who really feeds the hate this people have towards our societies. So your brilliant solutions, if I resume well, would be to shut up every person criticizing the politics of integration, because this is what happens when terror peaks, shut up medias from analyzing the causes, because this will provoke more causes, then get medical care for all those sociopathic journalists because its they who create the terror, by reporting it. Why I am not surprised, after all, JJ also advocates not using prisons for criminals, you guys go  perfectly along, living in an ideal world where every offending thought or act should just be censored -and possibly punished, except when it comes from real criminals. Hopefully people are sensed, seek for realistic solutions and will never listen to such bollocks.


if there was an ignore list for this forum I would put you on it outside of Heroes 3 areas, not because I may disagree with you but because pretty much each and every new post of yours leaves me struggling where to begin pointing out the (perhaps deliberate) flaws, hypocrisies, fallacies and bad reading comprehension, that is probably the politest way I can express myself to you cheers lol
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OhforfSake
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posted June 08, 2017 01:46 PM

fred79 said:
sorry friends, i felt compelled to post.


Why are you apologizing? Your friends wants you to stay.

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fred79
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posted June 08, 2017 03:07 PM

off-topic/

OhforfSake said:
fred79 said:
sorry friends, i felt compelled to post.


Why are you apologizing? Your friends wants you to stay.


i didn't want to get anyone's hopes up that i was "back". i'm really trying to not post. i know it'll just end up like it always does, eventually.

@ verriker: one of the names i mentioned here before that died under suspicious circumstances(a judge), has been linked to a clinton foundation murder. hillary isn't doing these herself(obviously); but she's had people killed.

as for the media making terrorists infamous, i sort of agree, but it's not like they can ignore it. i don't think the violence is going to stop regardless of what the media covers. they didn't have mass-media for centuries, and there's always been killings and retaliations for those killings; in whatever name, and for whatever reason. gang murders happen every single day in many cities; and yet they don't make national/international news. simply because people fighting over drug turf or retaliations don't really interest the public("it happened over there, why do i care?"). but terrorism? that can happen anywhere. simply because of the reasoning behind it.

i sort of agree in that the media are only spreading more terror, by covering this stuff. but their hands are kinda tied in that aspect; as it would be disrespectful of the victims(and the issue) to NOT televise it(not that they don't pick and choose what they put in the public eye, because they certainly do. there is an agenda at work, with all government-run mass media[remember though, the only reason the media is all over trump and his cohorts, is because they AREN'T big government. he and the people he is appointing are big business]). plus, the media get the added benefit of doing their OWN terrorizing: the hearts and minds of their viewers. which, of course, helps ratings.

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Kayna
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posted June 08, 2017 04:09 PM

Too many immigrants taken in at once is always bad news. Should be taken in small doses so they don't change the country. I'm disappointed in most European countries that allowed these refugees to go rampant in their violent and sexual assaults. They should have mobilized their army in the streets, arrest and deport any and all that did anything illegal, so only the good ones are taken in and the bad ones expelled back where they came from.

They didn't have the balls to do so though, and in doing so, did not deliver on the promise given to their citizens ; respected rights.

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bloodsucker
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posted June 08, 2017 04:23 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 16:44, 08 Jun 2017.

Kayna said:
European countries that allowed these refugees to go rampant in their violent and sexual assaults. They should have mobilized their army in the streets, arrest and deport any and all that did anything illegal, so only the good ones are taken in and the bad ones expelled back where they came from.

They didn't have the balls to do so though, and in doing so, did not deliver on the promise given to their citizens ; respected rights.
I agree.

Verriker said:
a more relevant media evil I would also cite is our practice of turning the Muslim terrorists into renowned superstars,
basically as soon as there is an incident it becomes the hivemind wall to wall focus of the news to zone in with full force on the life of the terrorist, who was it, what is its agenda, how did it do it, who are its parents, what did it have for breakfast etc
I also agree partially, the part where you (and the spanish) seam only interrested in Pink-Jornalism, so even to report a crime "jornalists" need to focus on the private live of the intrevenients. Probally they even dedicate a large part of the report to a possible extra-conjugal liasion the terrorist may or may not have.

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Neraus
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posted June 08, 2017 04:40 PM

Just yesterday there was a debate in a TV program about what to do with radicalized muslims.
I won't go in too much details about how a representative of the muslim community was shamefully inept (funnily enough he wanted the draft back while wanting citizenship for everyone born in Italy, I joked about it by saying that would train the future terrorists quite well.), but anyway, there was a journalist that basically said this: We in Europe had our French revolution, the enlightenment etc. the Arabs didn't, we progressed down a particular path for three centuries, they went their own way.
Sure, they start speaking with our accents, but their families bring their culture with them, we don't really have to fear the first generation immigrants that much because they came here to work (at least in the past) and they wouldn't risk their own well-being for an ideological struggle.

Their kids, however, may identify more with their family's traditions rather than the host country's, and here comes the problem.
At that point it depends on how the kid reacts, if they hang out anyway with their peers of the host countries, they may just become activists, they wouldn't take up a rifle.
Make them grow in a closed environment, and the risk is much higher.

Of course, the risk is even higher if the family is traditional and imposes islamic norms on their children at the point in which their children don't even go to school anymore.

Italy has been safer than the UK, France and Germany as of now for three reasons I believe, a much more efficient police force (they trained by investigating mafia families), an uncompromising law system (Children of traditional islamic households are sometimes taken into custody when the parents force islamic norms on them) and few benefits for non-citizens.

So yeah, for once, I'd say take Italy as an example for policies, and maybe start being uncompromising once again when it comes to enforcing secular norms, which is ironic, we almost host the Pope.

And if I'm advising the return of rampant secularism then you can understand how I can't find a better solution that wouldn't involve dictatorial methods.
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posted June 08, 2017 05:12 PM

Islamists organizastions are infiltrated by variuos secret serivices especially evil countries like Moscow, Teheran, North Korea. Axis of evil. They used muslim rudes to our business. To war with West. The same islamic states. Army minister in IS was soviet general... Provocation is used everyday in this swamp...

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Zenofex
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posted June 08, 2017 07:29 PM

Yeah, I also heard they want to split Poland between the German Caliphate and the Russian Communo-Orthodox Empire. I don't know how you guys up there, being all righteous Catholics and all, can stand this obvious intrusion.

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posted June 08, 2017 08:03 PM

Zenofex said:
Yeah, I also heard they want to split Poland between the German Caliphate and the Russian Communo-Orthodox Empire. I don't know how you guys up there, being all righteous Catholics and all, can stand this obvious intrusion.


I've also heard Putin eats newborn infants from Poland and Baltic States for breakfast lunch and dinner, and that's why our demographics are so low.
Russia is also the cause of mass emigration from said countries.
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Kayna
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posted June 09, 2017 07:28 AM

Moscow, the center of the axis of evil.

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posted June 09, 2017 08:19 AM

This forum never ceases to amaze me.

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posted June 09, 2017 08:27 AM

I always wonder, how people can easily believe that a natural stuff of civ. on such planet as Earth must be somekind of the tens thousands of a "pure tribes" which is separated in enclosures like for the cattle stuff . Nevermind ...

I think SU-guys will be appreciated when Uncle guys will call them Axis . But nah, SU-guys is far from the circus of Axis of the time of W2. Especially in term of power... It is like Global vs AlmostLocal
And why the Moscow City? mr Kayna (I have not spotted any proper stuff in your profile, such as mr, or mrs, so I decided to use mr), you must play more in Uncle' propaganda stuff, there is many interesting things sometimes, for an example the end of the "Call of Duty" the video game, is not in the Moscow City , but somewhere, somehow, in the a very deep place in Siberia .
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posted June 09, 2017 01:57 PM

@Zenofex

Well, of course, there are differences between social and biological evolution but I think it is perfectly accurate to say some social behavior becomes extinct, especially if you are referring to the mainstream and disregarding isolated groups such as Mormons or tribes from the deep jungles of Amazon etc.

On your example about the Bulgarian story, I'm guessing it's about corruption and stuff, trust me, I can relate. However, that's not exactly something normative and a century is not a significantly long time regarding the things we speak of. Bottomline is, when I take your analogy of the social "recessive gene," I see nothing historical or theoretical that would back up such an essentialist perspective.

Zenofex said:
You can give a Muslim 100 hard evidences that what he believes in is just some phantasmagorical anachronism but he'll reject them all if he perceives you or the culture you represent as something hostile.
 
Yes, naturally. And I also mentioned this even in this very thread:
Artu said:
because of the political situation in the Middle East, Muslims feel especially cornered and threatened, so their identity becomes a matter of pride for them.

But such a thing can not go on forever and 500 years is a very long time. Also, I'm not exactly talking about a process of westernization. What happened in the West, happened because of social change and social change is not unique to the West. Take something such as sex before wedlock for instance, you have rural society, most people don't even go to high school and marry as teenagers, sex before marriage is a taboo, industrialization comes, women start working too, average people start having education till their early twenties, marrying even later, and slowly sex before marriage ceases to be a taboo. Compare 1930, 1960 and 1990 regarding this by looking at popular culture, songs, cinema. The change is slow for a life time but fast in terms of historicity. Now, this is also happening in developing countries and not necessarily because they are trying to "westernize." I could write a few paragraphs elaborating this further but it's awful hot in here and I feel like jellyfish, I guess, you got what I mean already.  

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