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Azagal
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posted January 05, 2008 06:28 AM

Ok I don't see how there can be a discussion about a thing that should be perfectly clear!I've allready said it in my first post and emilsn did so after me:

Muslim terrorists and extremist do NOT represent the majority of Muslims! It can't be that hard to understand for a reasonable human being can it?
Unfortunately some people don't make that diffrence... They just hate all of them! Yeah... makes things a lot easier doesn't it?

I will not comment on the situation in Israel as it doesn't seem as if my reasoning would aply since the hate or the dislike allready seems pretty solid. All I want to say is that I think Geny is doing it the right way.


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posted January 05, 2008 06:34 AM

It's easy to be racist to a community you dont understand.

Same as say music.
Some people do not like classical so they automatically say acusations thats not intirely true.

It's easy to put down things or people you do not understand & it just happens to turn out to be prejudice & even racist.
Even though you do not mean to.
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posted January 05, 2008 06:50 AM

Often people are so blinded by hate that it delves into the category of ignorance.  This person hates these people because of something they did (or possibly didn't do) so long ago that people have forgotten the actual reason.  If it exsisted at all.  Labeling anybody, regardless of who they are, is wrong.

I know some perfectly nice Muslim, Christians, ect, ect, ect.  Even some of the anti-gay people are relitively civil.  Hating somebody because they are of a certain group is just ignorance.  Yet, in the same aspect it should not come down to the 'not me' defense.  You are responsible for your own actions, you can over come the chains that bind you.  

Yes, they are chains.

Hate, anger, ego, pride..they are all chains and all part of the hate process.

Running somebody else down to make you feel better is senseless.  Sure your ego and pride get a boost, but it is a false boost.  Hating somebody or being angry at them just because of a 'label'?  Why?  Be it black, muslim, gay, or what those are just artifical labels people put on somebody to stroke their own ego.  All muslims are not terrorist.

All Christians are not good or all evil.  Not all gay women are man hating feminazis, and not all leaders (or books) are wise.  If you would take unto thee the follow.

Love thy neighbor as thy love thine self, treat them always as you would be treated.
And it harm none, do as you will.
Help others when thou can, and accept help when thou needs.
Harm no other if possible to avoid.
Live each day trying to better yourself.

If not, all is well.  No hard feelings.
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posted January 05, 2008 06:56 AM

It is our understanding that by the yrs that has gone by, we learn about each other more & more.
Many people in those times did not see it that way.
It was thier race & thier beliefs.
Many casualties & many wars.

Many people want to see peace but that will never happen, as long as there is a thing called history.
With it everything thats bind in it, religion, racism,prejudice.
Our famalies taught us these things & it brought it through mordern history & with it the hatred towards others & beliefs.
Dark ages, civil war, it's all history.

Therefore there will always be hatred.
It's even worst with certain countries do certain acts thats injustice.
Makes people hate every single person in that country, regardless of who they are.
With it thier history & past wars & acts.

You see history binds who we are & what we thing. Also what we know & read about.
We didnt start the fire, it was always burning since the worlds been turning .
It's not our faults but we still pay the price some way.
If you dont believe any of this that I say.
Just ask the George's Bushes
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posted January 05, 2008 07:03 AM

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You are responsible for your own actions, you can over come the chains that bind you.  
Yes, they are chains.
Hate, anger, ego, pride..they are all chains and all part of the hate process.

I'm not sure wheter I understand you here... I am a vey proud person with a inparticulary strong ego but how does that bind me...?I consider myself fairly reasonable and tolerant.
Or do you mean that in a ehm whats the english word... "blinded" (I know it's no god by I hope you get what I mean).
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posted January 05, 2008 07:09 AM

<<I am a vey proud person with a inparticulary strong ego but how does that bind me...?>>

Pride and ego limit your choices and options.  Thus they are chains.  A truely prideful and egotistical person refuses help on anything, because they think that nobody can do something as good as they can.  That binds a person, making options less.  Having some pride and ego is fine, as long as it does not consume you.  If you understand the value of others, then it does not consume you.
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posted January 05, 2008 09:19 AM

Proud people are also the reason why the world is the way it is today.
Not all but alot.
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posted January 05, 2008 03:25 PM

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Why does some people think of all muslims as one? Osama Bin Laden is a terrorist. Other muslims are terrorists. White men are terrorists, just that they do it in another way. Black people (no offense) are terrorists, look at the conflicts in Africa. Chinese people are terrorists, also in another way. Everyone are bad, just that some are more open about it. Some are openly aggressive and killing "in the name of God". But that's not all of them, it's some extremists.
OK, who penalized EDN? He didn't say anything offensive.

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posted January 05, 2008 03:49 PM
Edited by Azagal at 15:51, 05 Jan 2008.

I agree with mvassilev EDN didn't mean to say anything offensive.
My guss would be that he got the penalty for this
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White men are terrorists

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Black people (no offense) are terrorists

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Chinese people are terrorists, also in another way
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MY guess would be that he generalizing far to much (just like TNT with his "All muslims are terrorists)
The other guess:
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Some are openly aggressive and killing "in the name of God". But that's not all of them, it's some extremists.

This implies that all actually are terrorists there are just some people who are more "open" about it.
I am sure EDN didn't mean to say anything like he did say. He was just unlucky with the grammar? I'm sure this came out the wrong way.

Besides it should go without saying that some other people in this thread had said some far more racist and discremination even humiliating things if EDN gets a penalty they most certainly should also...
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posted January 05, 2008 04:36 PM
Edited by pandora at 16:48, 05 Jan 2008.

Calm Down everybody please, even though I don't know yet who penelized wog, we are taking this matter into Modsquad to where we should find the reason behind why this penalty is given.

{I've removed the penalty for now ~ Pandora... heheh Lich, I'm sharing your post }
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posted January 05, 2008 05:41 PM

If it weren't for muslims and the way some of them (the terrorist part) are, we would not have Achmed. Ditto.

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posted January 05, 2008 06:09 PM

I put it the wrong way too ... I meant that it's not only some muslims that's terrorists. There are also white, black, chinese, etc... people. That it's not only terrorists are muslims. I am anti-rasist, so I just meant that there are terrorist among all "races", not only muslims. There are just that mainly USA make a big deal out of them after the 11/11, and therefor muslims are stated "terrorists" even though more than 99% of them are not...
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posted January 05, 2008 06:38 PM

Maybe we should first try to define the word "terrorist". Not everyone who is breaking a law is a terrorist.

After we have done this, we can look up all the terrible things which happened the last 6-7 years and see to which group the offenders belong.

Then we can see which group is involved mostly in those "attacks"...
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posted January 05, 2008 07:01 PM

The only reasons that there have been more Muslim terrorists lately is because
1. The US and other Western powers are interfering in their land.
2. Connected to #1, they have more opportunity to commit acts of terrorism.

But look at the IRA. They're Christian. Look at the guy who killed Ghandi. He was a Hindu. Look at Basque terrorism in Spain. It's just that Muslims get the most attention.

If the US invaded Ireland, we would be talking about Irish terrorists. If they invaded China, we'd be talking about Chinese terrorists. They invaded the Muslim world, so we're talking about Muslim terrorists. Terrorism is a reaction.
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posted January 05, 2008 09:13 PM
Edited by Seraphim at 21:14, 05 Jan 2008.

People who are worse than terrorists,it does not mean to break the law,are racists and those who commit treachery in large scale.

Lies are more beutiful than truth.
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posted January 05, 2008 09:14 PM

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The only reasons that there have been more Muslim terrorists lately is because
1. The US and other Western powers are interfering in their land.
2. Connected to #1, they have more opportunity to commit acts of terrorism.

But look at the IRA. They're Christian. Look at the guy who killed Ghandi. He was a Hindu. Look at Basque terrorism in Spain. It's just that Muslims get the most attention.

If the US invaded Ireland, we would be talking about Irish terrorists. If they invaded China, we'd be talking about Chinese terrorists. They invaded the Muslim world, so we're talking about Muslim terrorists. Terrorism is a reaction.
Where did all the things of the IRA take place? Where did all the things of the ETA took place? And now look where the "religious"/muslim related things take place. Just remember the bombing terror in Indonesia last year. Many tourists lost their life. I didn't know americans invated Indonesia....
Or the bomb in egypt some years ago. Many tourists burned to death by a car bomb. What has America to do with Egypt?

To my knowledge, IRA fought for THEIR right of free existance for  Northern Ireland without belonging to Great Britain anymore (in short terms...)
To my knowledge, the ETA fought for THEIR right of free existance for a Basque country "without" belonging to Spain.

Both did terrorist acts in the past, no doubt.
But compare their motivation with the suicide bombers we have nowadays. Can you really compare?
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posted January 05, 2008 09:26 PM

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The only reasons that there have been more Muslim terrorists lately is because
1. The US and other Western powers are interfering in their land.
2. Connected to #1, they have more opportunity to commit acts of terrorism.

But look at the IRA. They're Christian. Look at the guy who killed Ghandi. He was a Hindu. Look at Basque terrorism in Spain. It's just that Muslims get the most attention.

If the US invaded Ireland, we would be talking about Irish terrorists. If they invaded China, we'd be talking about Chinese terrorists. They invaded the Muslim world, so we're talking about Muslim terrorists. Terrorism is a reaction.
Where did all the things of the IRA take place? Where did all the things of the ETA took place? And now look where the "religious"/muslim related things take place. Just remember the bombing terror in Indonesia last year. Many tourists lost their life. I didn't know americans invated Indonesia....
Or the bomb in egypt some years ago. Many tourists burned to death by a car bomb. What has America to do with Egypt?

To my knowledge, IRA fought for THEIR right of free existance for  Northern Ireland without belonging to Great Britain anymore (in short terms...)
To my knowledge, the ETA fought for THEIR right of free existance for a Basque country "without" belonging to Spain.

Both did terrorist acts in the past, no doubt.
But compare their motivation with the suicide bombers we have nowadays. Can you really compare?
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This is something else.Our problem is that it is written as "ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERORRISTS" where I disagree and we are TALKING THAT THAT IS RACISTIC.



Eitherwise IRA killed ppl so they are terrorists and ETA killed ppl so they are terrorists too.


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posted January 05, 2008 10:10 PM

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Where did all the things of the IRA take place? Where did all the things of the ETA took place?
They took place in the territory they wanted.
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And now look where the "religious"/muslim related things take place. Just remember the bombing terror in Indonesia last year. Many tourists lost their life. I didn't know americans invated Indonesia....
Or the bomb in egypt some years ago. Many tourists burned to death by a car bomb. What has America to do with Egypt?
The Muslim extremist situation is different. There are more of them than there are Irish or Basque extremists, and they have been fighting occupation by the Western powers since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. They've been fighting so much there that some of the terrorism has finally spilled over to the US, because there was no other way for them to get our attention. Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Pakistan, Egypt, Indonesia, and all of the terrorist groups that come from them are all related: they are a reaction to Western imperialism. The Western powers said, "Israel is there." And Israel came into being. Did anyone ask the Palestinians? The Western powers said, "We're overthrowing Mossadeq and installing the Shah." And so it happened. Did anyone ask the Iranians? We supported Suharto in Indonesia, despite his dictatorial ways. Now the US is supporting Musharraf despite widespread protests against him. When one side imposes its will on another side constantly and so blatantly, there is bound to be reaction. And there is.

Many Muslims are radicalizing around the world, because they see what the US is doing to the Muslim world. They see terrorism as the only way to combat the US.

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To my knowledge, IRA fought for THEIR right of free existance for  Northern Ireland without belonging to Great Britain anymore (in short terms...)
They have their country: Ireland. They are trying to impose their control over Protestant Nothern Ireland.
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To my knowledge, the ETA fought for THEIR right of free existance for a Basque country "without" belonging to Spain.
Yes.

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Both did terrorist acts in the past, no doubt.
But compare their motivation with the suicide bombers we have nowadays. Can you really compare?
The Irish were oppressed for a long time. The Basques were oppressed for a long time. The Muslim world is being oppressed right now. Very similar motivations.
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posted January 05, 2008 10:32 PM

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The Irish were oppressed for a long time. The Basques were oppressed for a long time. The Muslim world is being oppressed right now. Very similar motivations.


I may be wrong here, but I always thought that the Irish and the Basques fought for independance. On the other hand the Muslim countries are not a part of USA or any other Western country, strongly affected by them - true, but still independant (Iraq aside, because the terrorist act began before the occupation of Iraq).
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posted January 05, 2008 10:37 PM
Edited by roy-algriffin at 22:40, 05 Jan 2008.

So what if the western powers say Isreal is there and they say isreal isnt there? its by far too late now. Isreal is now the most democratic ,powerful and technologically contributing state in the region. Even if you have the idea that it isnt there, its kind of ironic to say "isreal isnt there" Because your using the actual word made for the place, Which is kind of an oxymoron. Despite that theres very large differences between what kind of terrorisim there is. Theres a difference between pointless assault when it would improve your condition to be silent, And terroisim when it will gain you something. Theres a difference between "terrorisim" when you can keep your head down and remain low profile and your safe and a terrorisim where everyone and anyone is a target to be chosen, Theres a difference between a terrorisim that involves sending off a child with a AK-47 and trained soldiers that usually dont victimize anyone. Theres a difference between a terrorisim that a rather large minority of a country is supporting and fueling then a terroisim from a soldier that will be court martialed and fired for killing an innocent.
In the end, Muslim world is being opressed because its acting idiotically and negatively, Like a child that thinks screaming for a candy is better then being quiet and asking nicely. It thinks that because it attacks a country it will gain something, when it will be better for it to actually do nothing and appear to be getting nicer and try to do something through geniune negotiation. In the end at whatever aspect you look at it, the muslim arabs have the choice of when and how this war will end, Not so much the isrealis. Isreal will have suicide bombers if its inactive, and suicide bombers if it assaults.
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