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antipaladin
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posted January 06, 2008 08:14 PM

im not sure if you can call him christian..some say he is ocultist,some say ocult is best realigon...
Other say differnytly..

I say what i think is also an act of terrorism,in norway i think it happend,or in sweden,that Metal rock bands burned down churches.
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posted January 06, 2008 08:31 PM

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Yemen, Iran, Oman and similar countries are in fact very liberal with their Muslim identity. Iran is actually one of the more liberal countries in the middle east, and most of their people can't wait to get amardinajhad out, because all he is doing is political saber rattling. Iran is far more relaxed about acceptancing cultures, thoughts and sexual preferances (they still are a bit iffy about gay marriages).


Wasn't it in Iran that women were adressed on the street about dressing improperly and indecently when they didn't cover enough of their body in burkas?

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posted January 06, 2008 08:37 PM

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I say what i think is also an act of terrorism,in norway i think it happend,or in sweden,that Metal rock bands burned down churches.
I would say that it's rather a rumor, it hasn't happened... it's idiots that hates all religion (so do I) and want to burn down a church to prove that they do and also think they are cool. No black metal band from here has done that, as far as I know
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posted January 06, 2008 08:45 PM

It didnt happend? i saw some tv show abot it did somewere in the world.. and while the idea is okay,they warent agtainst all relgion,they ware satanic. its a religon of its own,kinda anti christinic,more about the first strongest will survive.
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antipaladin
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posted January 06, 2008 09:03 PM

Not entirely. Most goth and satanics only do this to show via sarcsmn how bad a religon can go,some are fanatical just as much.
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posted January 06, 2008 09:35 PM

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Yemen, Iran, Oman and similar countries are in fact very liberal with their Muslim identity. Iran is actually one of the more liberal countries in the middle east, and most of their people can't wait to get amardinajhad out, because all he is doing is political saber rattling. Iran is far more relaxed about acceptancing cultures, thoughts and sexual preferances (they still are a bit iffy about gay marriages).


Wasn't it in Iran that women were adressed on the street about dressing improperly and indecently when they didn't cover enough of their body in burkas?


no, that was Saudi arabia...

actually, i take it back, its far worse in Saudi, public flogging at least.

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Goth, satanist and such persons are just like religious people, they are no better.


i object to this statement!

Satanists just have gotten bad press, the same with Goths. its just because the Media whips up a storm whenever something different comes around, and Satanists are the outsiders in this.

Goths provide the Yin-Yang Balance for hippies. whilst Hippies are about peace, free love and everyone getting along with each other, Goths provide a decent level of cynicism on this view, which evens out the balance.

(i do agree with you on the point that most religious people are moderate, kind individuals, and by that respect goths and satanists are too, but i have a bunch of friends in the room (most goths) who would object to that!)

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wog_edn
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posted January 06, 2008 09:40 PM

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Not entirely. Most goth and satanics only do this to show via sarcsmn how bad a religon can go,some are fanatical just as much.
There are VERY few fanatic satanists ... mostly they only say how much they hate religion, especially christianity.
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posted January 06, 2008 09:58 PM

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But if you look at acts of terrorism in the last 100 years, you would see a different picture. Certainly the radical Muslims have committed many acts of terrorism, but their motivation is not much different than that of other, non-Muslim, terrorist groups.
MV...I was refering to this statement u made a few posts ago:
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I doubt that the ratio of radical Muslims to all Muslims is much greater than the ratio of radical Christians to all Christians.
With this line, u were (to my intention) refering to that post of me, especially the bolded part:
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Terrorists are mostly muslims (lately!!) = true
Nazis are mostly germans (at that time!!) = true

So I don't think it is accurate u come up with "the last hundred years", when I am talking about "lately".
Of course christianity (church, inquisitors, whomever...) has done so many bad things to other human beings, but this happened in the middle ages. Nowadays people, no matter which religion they belong to, should be more educated....should...
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posted January 06, 2008 10:06 PM

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Of course christianity (church, inquisitors, whomever...) has done so many bad things to other human beings, but this happened in the middle ages. Nowadays people, no matter which religion they belong to, should be more educated....should...
You're going to have ignorant people all the time. Where there are humans, there is ignorance. And there are a lot of radical Christians. Ever heard of Westboro Baptist Church (they're not terrorists, but...)? In the last 10 years, yes, there was more Islamic terrorism than Christian terrorism. Who knows what bad things the next 10 years will bring? Maybe it'll be radical Confucianists or pagans or Pastafarians. Who knows? But there are radicals in every religion.
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roy-algriffin
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posted January 07, 2008 12:41 AM

We cant know, We can focus on recent times, Lets say after the enlightenment when the church wasnt as powerful mmmkay? Anything with that kind of power gets corrupted. You could say were relatively lucky that its only the crusades and inquisitions and repeated murder of heretics and pagans and many innocents, It could have been an eradication of much much more.
Having said that, Christianity is past that, But even they never had something as pointless as suicide bombings, Which is done for nothing, nothing at all except to make both the perpatrator and his victims (which is just about anyone in the vicinity, arab or christian or jewish or pagan) to die.
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posted January 07, 2008 01:05 AM

@mvassilev: Milošević was at that time fairly unpoppular in Serbia. The next president, Vojislav Koštunica was a democrat and never did anything to anyone. Milošević never did anything exept words, and he was on court for that and he died during the procedure. But Albanian population on Kosovo did never fall (have evidence from the FBI). And all those things I said were fact. Please read my last post seeing Milošević is your only defence.
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posted January 07, 2008 01:28 AM

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You still act racistic and you spoil the reality.You make everyone guilty and not caring of if they are innocent.Are all germans nazis because they were some nazis in their lands in 1932 or 1939?

Your appeals are delusive and next time please write correctly because you act like a racist.

If you were a criminal does that mean also your parents,sisters and brothers were?
I would strongly recommend to stop calling me a racist, otherwise you will get in trouble here. If you are not able to read the post in a correct manner, you should just stop reacting on it.

One last time for YOU only:

All Muslims are terrorists = wrong
All germans are nazis = wrong

Terrorists are mostly muslims (lately!!) = true
Nazis are mostly germans (at that time!!) = true

If you do not get the difference here, I can't help ya.




I just would say 'no comment' nothing more.Really,your godly position does not make you either friendly and.... or thanks for your explaination and I apologise for my insult.Your expressions were differnt than I thought.

And really,I really care for my profile to not be badly marked by bad quality otherwise my reaction would be different you know.
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posted January 07, 2008 02:10 AM

Roy-al:
The specifics of Christian violence and Muslim violence are different. They use different propganda. They tell the Muslims that they will go to heaven if they blow themselves up. No one ever told the Christians that.

Vidoja:
Miloshevich was only one example. Serbs have been just as bad to Albanians as Albanians have been to Serbs. Remember that Albanians were there first, and that Serbs took the land from them.

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The_Gootch
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posted January 07, 2008 02:53 AM

You're all a bunch of five year old boys who are incapable of reading and listening and wanting to one up each other with snippets of information that have nothing to do with anything.

Wait a second, I take that back.  You're all a bunch of twenty year old boys...

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roy-algriffin
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posted January 07, 2008 03:25 AM

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You're all a bunch of twenty year old boys

It seems ive grown several years within a few minutes!

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. The specifics of Christian violence and Muslim violence are different. They use different propganda. They tell the Muslims that they will go to heaven if they blow themselves up. No one ever told the Christians that

Yeah , But most of the propoganda has a point. even if it was monetary or for power or for land or even just the old religous conversion /slaughter.

Suicide bombing doesnt have a point, It doesnt gain you land, or money, or convert anyone , or even specifically slaughter someone of another religion, muslims have been killed before from suicide bombings, or if it hasnt happened yet there a good chance it will eventually. Suicide bombing has no point except to kill the person who holds the bomb and everyone around him.
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bixie
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posted January 07, 2008 08:59 AM

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Suicide bombing doesnt have a point, It doesnt gain you land, or money, or convert anyone , or even specifically slaughter someone of another religion, muslims have been killed before from suicide bombings, or if it hasnt happened yet there a good chance it will eventually. Suicide bombing has no point except to kill the person who holds the bomb and everyone around him.


Roy-al, your missing an important point. it may not do anything like convert anyone, get money or land, but it grabs the head-lines. this makes more and more people notice the cause and either sympathies with the suicide bomber in Iraq or Afghanistan (saying "he feels so strongly about a cause that he is willing to die for it.") or hate them (causing more religious hatred so that these wars will continue.)

Because it kills everyone else around them, it creates panic, and that will eventually be turned to rage, and that rage will often be directed towards the western soldiers, who weren't there to stop the bomb from exploding. they are not doing religious conversion, they are simply spreading fear and hatred around so that people are less willing to cooperate with the soldiers, showing that they are not wanted. which is a fair point, as you wouldn't want your country occupied by soldiers of a deluded regime.
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mvassilev
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posted January 07, 2008 01:59 PM

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Suicide bombing doesnt have a point, It doesnt gain you land, or money, or convert anyone , or even specifically slaughter someone of another religion, muslims have been killed before from suicide bombings, or if it hasnt happened yet there a good chance it will eventually. Suicide bombing has no point except to kill the person who holds the bomb and everyone around him.
As bixie said, it does grab the headlines. But not only does it do that. Their propoganda convinces them that if they kill themselves in the name of Allah, they will go to Heaven and they will have 20 virgins there. That's their motivation. Doesn't the Koran also say something like, "A night spent in arms is worth more than a week of prayer"?

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posted January 07, 2008 02:04 PM

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Miloshevich was only one example. Serbs have been just as bad to Albanians as Albanians have been to Serbs. Remember that Albanians were there first, and that Serbs took the land from them.


Kosovo has been Serbian for 12 centuries! We had our religious objects there when the Albanians didn't even know they are Albanian. We couldn't have took Kosovo from them. Their country was first under the rule of the Serbian empire also 7 centuries ago. Then it became Turk, just as Serbia, Bulgaria and any other country on the Balkans (exept Croatia and Slovenia, they were under the Habsburg monarchy). Then Albania was proclamed a country. We never took anything from them. And we never did anything to harm them.
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posted January 07, 2008 02:07 PM

Don't know that, but Koran says many things that openly exhort to kill the faithless, and that can't be ignored. You can bash the Bible because it's not logical at times, riddled and for many just stupid, but Koran is worse, unfortunately. As a Christian I don't want to bash anybody's religion, since mine is repeatedly bashed and it's not that pleasant, but one can't ignore the direct quotes taken from Koran that are synonymous! Someone posted once three pages full of quotes from Koran, and some were very scary, sad and disturbing to read.

There were many like "thou shalt kill the unfaithful, because they are rubbish, thrash, garbage that offends Allah and it pleases the God to see them suffer" (indirect quote, but it was something like that, repeated many times, with different words).

I don't know what to think about it.

Of course not all muslims are terrorists! But it's quite scary that those who are actually do what their holy book tells them to do. I mean, religion shouldn't be like that..

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posted January 07, 2008 04:00 PM

I don't think you can make any claims about the Koran (or the Bible) unless you're actually read it yourself, all of it. The fact that someone quotes sentences from the Koran that prove his point doesn't mean a thing.

Just so you know: after the Israelites escaped from Egypt and wandered across the desert for 40 years, God ordered them to kill any male in the land and to enslave the women (correct me if I'm wrong about the women part), so that their polytheistic ideas won't corrupt the Israelites. Very merciful, isn't it? Later, when  Judaism wasn't in danger, the Holy Book could turn to moral questions and right ways of behavior in society. And since I didn't read everything that's written in the Koran (like most of you), I can't say if it is as aggressive in the end as in the beginning (or vice versa).
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