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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted February 10, 2008 06:10 PM |
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Poll Question:
Clan Points Transferred or Not? (for clan members only)
To the clans members -- so should we transfer that 10% of clan points from previous clan season to the new season, or start entirely fresh & reset at 0 points?
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cycleguy
Adventuring Hero
Runs through cornfields naked
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posted February 10, 2008 07:25 PM |
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So are prestige awards being given for the last clan season or are you suggesting we vote away over a years worth of clan games lol?
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted February 10, 2008 08:48 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 20:59, 10 Feb 2008.
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Please give Cycle some sort of hero cookie or trophy or something so he can feel proud! Geesh... 
Thats how it works... when a new season starts everything starts over. Previous season accomplishments are reduced to a Dragon Icon.... so same should go for clans. Give the top 3-4 clans a nice clan shield and some prestige and a hero cookie and lets start over then.
Can you imagine if the NBA operated like this... The Bulls won the championship with a 72-10 season. Most wins in NBA regular season ever. And the next year season starts and why should all basket ball teams start even? The Bulls team should start with 10 wins, there first 10 games are all byes. That is silly.. They won there season, got there trophy and fame... ( i.e. clan shield and prestige and hero cookie) and then they started as equals the next season. And had to re-Prove them self... Alot of new blood...maybe some great talent... if some of these clans are sooooo great, they wont have a problem rising to the top again... without being spoon fed.
No offense to you cycle... just trying to prove some logic here
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diegis
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted February 10, 2008 11:00 PM |
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If it was me ( ) to decide, then it would be 0 for clans and ranks.
Of course, it should be a reward or something for the best clans/players.
Also, let's not forget the 'Speed tournament'- which I love it.
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cycleguy
Adventuring Hero
Runs through cornfields naked
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posted February 11, 2008 03:01 AM |
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Please give Cycle some sort of hero cookie or trophy or something so he can feel proud! Geesh...
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No offense to you cycle... just trying to prove some logic here
I do take offence when people talk to me condescendingly. Im not sure why you think you can talk to about me like that considering we dont even know eachother..heck weve never even played a game.
Your implying im acting like a child for wanting something for all the time and effort I put into my clan.
Clans were the only way a mediocre player like me could do something and finally after 10 years I did and either way this vote goes that acheivement is gone or partially gone. We all played the same tournament by the same rules for the last year. Now, when a couple clans who actually participated and got ahead its not a fair system? Talk about a waste of time, do you know how sick of necro I am lol? I could have played any other faction during that time and would have had I known this would happen.
Now im stuck here arguing to do things the way they were suppose to be done and getting mocked for it. Since the start of ToH I have never seen a tournament reset midseason due to complaining.
Clans are suppose to run the same length as the rest of the season, so your "logical" statement should go more like this. The bulls have a 72-10 record but since two new teams and players were introduced mid-season(lets call them the orcs and dwarves) the bulls will start the SAME season over at 0-0. Yep, sounds logical to me too.
Activity and people not playing noobies has nothing to do with clans but more with the actual ToH ranking. Why would a Lord play someone hes never met with 60pts to lose and 0 to gain for a game with someone he might not even like?
We should just leave clans alone till the ToH homm 5 season one is done like it was suppose to be. There are 4people within 100pts of becoming and Emperor and several others rising and we only need 4 more. Or just end all season one now and start season two.
Jinxer, please don't edit your post again adding more things to it that deal with me, my posts never brought you up in the past...just the topic. But if you feel you have to bash me some more go ahead, I promise I wont even reply, my posts on this subject are done.
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gmmari
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 11, 2008 09:48 AM |
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Cycleguy i'm agree with you about the problem of the activity and i have already written this in another topic.
This is a poor problem!
10% of points to new clan or reset to 0 is really not a problem and
alone doesn't mean nothing!
WE need:
1)Some changing about the new rougue clan that seems an illusion in the new system
2)Give some trophy and medals to clan menber who have spent many times
working on it
3)Give to the top clan now the finals and say after this who is the best
After all we can restart all starting from 0 but not now,not changing
the rules in the middle of the way and not cancel all the works
done for to change some little thing that not change the activity of toh games.
All clan player need some compensation for the works done.
I can say my experience:
MY clan is one or the latest created and i remenber me and kispagat
all the night waiting for a game for trying to enter in this 8 top clan,for many month we waited a clan game and the beginning when we was foootman was really hard but we not flee.
Now why we want to cancel all without the right compensation?
I will be the first that i will stop playing if i will see that my
time is gone for nothing!
Toh is the excellence of tote game if we want only play ubi is the best place!
All new player need to be patience and try to improve their ranking
then all will be ok,join a clan that help so much and like me and
kispagat..wait,wait and wait thinking what is the best way for win!
The good player will raise the ranking immediatly and then no more problem(firedragon is an example)
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted February 11, 2008 10:55 AM |
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Hmm I know this is only for 'clan members'..but why not finish out the season? Then this will be a moot point? Whoever is leading right now (lets say top 8) has a double elimination tournament. Winner takes all. Loosers get consolation prizes. Problem solved, new season, don't get any 'free' points. *shrugs*. Makes sense to me.
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted February 11, 2008 02:19 PM |
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Hmm I know this is only for 'clan members'..but why not finish out the season? Then this will be a moot point? Whoever is leading right now (lets say top 8) has a double elimination tournament. Winner takes all. Loosers get consolation prizes. Problem solved, new season, don't get any 'free' points. *shrugs*. Makes sense to me.
Absolutelly agree.
If we make a (double) elimination tournament for the first 8 clans, as it was announced, than start a new season, reset clan ranks to zero would be the clearest solution.
In one hand everyone gives suggestions to Ves, I think everyone should accept his decision finally.
So if u Ves, decides to make this final tournament and need any help organising it, it would be my pleasure to help u.
About rules, here are my suggestions:
1. First 8 clans participate
2. Non-active clan member can be replaced with a player who has same or less rating points
3. Each round has 1 week deadline for the games
4. Lower ranked player may choose color or town first or ask the other to choose
5. If people cant agree, there should be an obligatory map to play on
6. Highest ranked player in the clan plays with the highest ranked player of the other clan, and so on...
I think simple elimination is enough, since double takes more time from the players and in 6 games it can be draw causing new headache.
This way in 3 weeks we can clean the board and start a new season.
what do u think?
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gmmari
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 11, 2008 02:36 PM |
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I'm with you friend
Make a poll for this!
All position have right but if we finish the season as announced after
every decision will be accetable for all the part and start a new adventure free and with new ambitions
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted February 11, 2008 04:09 PM |
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transfer is fair
but i vote zero
i also feel that, clan season 2 will be the same indifferent tournament as the previous and doomed to failure. Not cause low activity but cause is only an extra ranking system with very few spice. All the excitement is that i report 'clan only' instead of 'free challenge' woow
Clans should be closer to what was in h4, Clan wars with bonuses etc
I volunteer to edit and send maps to players. Now with checksum security we have no problems, since both must have same map and will be sent to both players.
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okrane
Famous Hero
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posted February 11, 2008 04:18 PM |
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What bonuses would these be?
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted February 11, 2008 04:23 PM |
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You volunteer to edit the maps, yes insatiable, but you will also dissapear (if only temporarily) one day -- then who will edit the maps? I've been the only consistent person on ToH from the beginning, but I see cycles of people come and go.
The current top 8 clans cannot have a final, because over half those players aren't even active lol. I love the solutions some give, but have no foundation for any of it.
So I will pitch in with some clueless recommendations of my own:
When Hillary becomes president I recommend that she:
1) investigate the corruption by the previous gov't
2) work on universal health care
3) return the troops from Iraq
4) avoid engaging another war on porn.
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted February 11, 2008 05:13 PM |
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted February 11, 2008 05:58 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 18:00, 11 Feb 2008.
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I do take offence when people talk to me condescendingly. Im not sure why you think you can talk to about me like that considering we dont even know eachother..heck weve never even played a game.
Your implying im acting like a child for wanting something for all the time and effort I put into my clan.""
----- You make a valid point... we have never played each other and you dont know me... which is why it is obvious you dont know that I am a very joking and sarcastic fun kinda guy. I do tend to say alot of things in a joking and sarcastic way, and if you did know me you would understand that I was not attacking you. The whole HERO COOKIE thing is something that Vesuvius started many years ago in TOH. I always thought it was funny. But since you are new to TOH I guess the humor would be lost on you... that is why I followed up my comments with stuff like these symbols <---- which is usually the universal sign for haha just joking and other statements like... Dont take this peronally.
""Since the start of ToH I have never seen a tournament reset midseason due to complaining.""
-----The season as it pertains to clans IS over... it has been over for some time... You guys WON! You crushed us. You are sooo far into the lead that NO will catch you.!!! No one is debating that. If it is a clan finals play off you are wanting... then I say yes it should be done. Take the top 8 clans and follow thru with it. But why must EVERYONE else have to suffer and not beable to enjoy clans just because there will more then likely NEVER be 8 emperors? Noone is suggesting that we not give you your due credit. Play the playoffs... get awarded your trophies and prestige for job well done. You deserve it. I apologize for sounding as if I was attacking you... I was not...
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted February 11, 2008 06:53 PM |
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I would like to make an OFFICIAL recommendation ---
Lets End Season 1 and Start Season 2 March 1st!
That would solve everything. Then we can take the top 8 active clans and do the clan finals etc etc just as it was planned. And starting a new season would reset everyone to 1000 so all these new players can start playing... I get about 5-6 game requests from newbies everyday, but cannot play them now cause why would I wanna risk 60pts so I can win 1?
Anyways, lets start fresh as of March 1st!
Whats everyone think?
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destro23
Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
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posted February 12, 2008 01:25 AM |
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I havn't been terribly active this season, was for a while then got dragged into warcraft again. Mainly because I couldn't find games when I wanted them.
Tote has brought a large body of new players to the feild and these players as always are being alienated by the higher ranked players. Reason.. I lose 50+ points, and potentially can win 1. With the clan system it promotes players to risk those 50 points on a clan game because it is a second ladder system that does not discriminate players personal rating (Albeit still affecting it).
The reason why clans are not inspiration to "risk" those points is simple. The leaders are far and away known, and really no amount of activity in any other clan could shoot them up quickly enough to make it appealing.
As I understand what Ves is suggestion clan points will only carry over if you are adopting new members?
So IE Jinxer starts a clan with his same 2 members this season, his clan would receive 0 points.
But if Jinxer starts a clan with 2 new players this season he would receive a small point bonus for expanding the clan body.
I don't see this as a problem. Although I am all for a complete reset, its really not a big deal if people carry over a few points. What would be a problem would be if Elit, Jorko, and Al Killmore started a new clan and each received bonus points from last season (for example).
But a few bonus points here and there promoting people to take on new clan mates is a great idea, otherwise the new players will just be alienated more as they can't find a clan to join.
In regards to clan finals, or the mid season ending of the clans. I agree that this is not normal practice, nor has it been a practice of toh in the past. But desperate times call for desperate measures. I don't think theres any argument that the leaders are crowned and well deserved.
And after all that my official standpoint is that yes clans should be reset to 0 and prizes should be awarded to those ACTIVE members of the top clans.
That is all.
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gmmari
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 12, 2008 01:27 AM |
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I'm really disapponted
We all seem not understand what ves want to do.
Ves if i'm wrong please correct me because i'm from italy and maybe
i don't have understand your intencion.
Ves not want start season 2 but simply reset all points to 0 or
give 10% to all old player to a new clan if this player play again!
This is not season 2 this will be a new season 1!
This means restart all because some player stop playing and we cannot have the final or a normal ending season.
This is not right this means to change the rules that all have decided to follow when we enter in toh in the middle of the road!
What does it means that some player is not active and we can't finish the season as announced??
What people we have to wait if this guy have decided to stop playing for any reason??
Rules not say:"final beetwen the first 8 ACTIVE clan"??
Solution is written into the rules that all have decided to follow:
the clan who stop playing are not active and in this case if they refuse to play some other clan must take this place!
We all can restart again a new season but if not have a precise time
for to take the first 8th place in the next 2 years there will be the same problem!
People come and go and if we not give iron rules to all new player this site is without sense,we still continue to play only with the hope to have what the rules promise to us before.the result will be that the player at a certain time will be tired to wait and will stop playing like now to past player.
I was thinking when i created my clan that if i run for play many games i have some time for take the 8th place and play this final but now you say to us:
"please restart all because some player stop playing and the new system will be better belive me"
Ves you first of all have to defend the player that now still playing
and who now gives to toh a little of life and not protect who is dead!
In this new season i want "ALL" my clan points if we not have a correct ending.
Ves if i'm wrong please correct me!
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted February 12, 2008 07:31 AM |
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Ok 2nd proposal. If the top 8 do not have the needed personel, then shorten it top 4 and follow this formula.
The top 4 clans get to choose ammoung first the next 4 clan members. The top clan gets the first pick, then the second, then so on. If still not enough to make a full clan then a second round goes on. The next 4 clans will be 'recruitable'. And so on until there are enough memebers to have the top 4. Lets call it a 'draft'.
Only no trading picks for money or anything like that  .
Once the top 4 are set, let them duke it out. Everybody is happy.
IF for somereason there are no people left from the top 4 (at all) then slide down the ladder until you have a top 4. Then begin the draft as above. There are solutions to every problem.
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DIEGIS
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted February 12, 2008 07:36 AM |
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Edited by DIEGIS at 07:37, 12 Feb 2008.
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Hey gmmari, will be season 2 for sure, and not a restart as u mentioned. It's about 1 and 1/2 year of playing for some people.
We can start this on the first of March, as Ves pointed out, then the clans final may take part. All rules for this final and prises, whatever, can be debated after the new season starts.
Also I prefere all clans/heroes resets to zero.
For me is very simple, and I don't understand why do we have to talk alot about that.
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted February 12, 2008 07:41 AM |
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Well Vesuvius is trying to do what is right for the clans that have worked so hard up to this point. I can understand this. It is not easy being responsible and doing what is right for everybody involved. Can't make everybody happy regardless what you do. So I know that Vesuvius is in a tough spot. I respect that, and he is doing a good job trying to make everybody happy. I am hoping a fresh point of view will help him achieve this. However, if he tells me to leave it be I will. I am an outsider (ie I am unable to play online, though I would like to). There are solutions, it just will take a lot of work.
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