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Wulfstan8182
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posted February 14, 2008 11:41 PM |
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one word. kickass
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magnomagus
Admirable
Legendary Hero
modding wizard
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posted February 15, 2008 01:01 AM |
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Nice Work!, but why did you change the shamans?
The unupgraded one is definately human. The earth-daughter too, although more pre-historic. The only orcish female is the sky-daughter, but she looks so much like a succubus the green color doesn't fit.
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Gnoll_Mage
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted February 15, 2008 01:12 AM |
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Hang on though, I thought Centaurs were a cross between Nightmares and Humans? In other words, just another type of Orc?
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Wulfstan8182
Famous Hero
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posted February 15, 2008 01:37 AM |
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i think they would look horrible green. lol, it's funny 'cause its the second time someone is changing a faction colour. i am in the middle of retexturing necro alt upg. i hate pink lol.
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Gnoll_Mage
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posted February 15, 2008 01:53 AM |
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Yup, green Centaurs =  for sure (there's enough greenskin types as it is...).
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Wulfstan8182
Famous Hero
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posted February 15, 2008 03:52 AM |
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well, the textures look great, but the actual mod is not so great. the only thing stronghold needs is some more natural skin tone on some creatures, and it's perfect.
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted February 15, 2008 11:39 AM |
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Nice Work!, but why did you change the shamans?
Thanks, but what gives you the idea that any of the Shaman aren't Orcs? Look at their original skin tone, it's most definitely not human and exactly the same as other unupgraded orc units. Both upgrades have horns too.
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well, the textures look great, but the actual mod is not so great. the only thing stronghold needs is some more natural skin tone on some creatures, and it's perfect.
Eh, thanks? I don't really get what you mean.
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted February 15, 2008 11:46 AM |
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Well I'm presuming that Humans don't have a recessive green skin allele*.
But like with hair colors and eye colors, there are more then two options and one allele behaves towards an other allele in one of 3 ways:
1: Dominant, it overrides.
2: Hybrid, it mixes, like when a black cock and white hen produce a speckled chicken as offspring.
3: Recessive, it is overridden.
Lets take the 3 alleles.
Demon's Red/Orange skin.
Mysterious Green skin.
Human Pink skin.
Demon is dominant towards both others.
Green is recessive to Demon and dominant to Pink.
Pink is recessive to both others.
Of course that would only make 50% of the orcs green, the others red/orange.
So the Mages may have bred selectively to color for aesthetic reasons, in which case this mod shows you stock from a different breeder.
(*though reality states that we don't actually know that, there could be a duplicate allele on the human genome that because its never used we never identified it as anything else then "junk DNA", but its HIGHLY unlikely seeing as from what I know it has never occurred that a human was born with natural green skin.)
Sorry about that, somebody set me off.
Anybody want to hear why Heroes V Minotaurs are all male?
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted February 15, 2008 12:07 PM |
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Haha thanks 
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Wulfstan8182
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posted February 15, 2008 05:07 PM |
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Eh, thanks? I don't really get what you mean.
i am saying that you have done a very great job doing the actual retexturing, but the concept of the mod is not for me. i prefer to have the whole faction in one colour. so like most creatures are green, but the 3/7 that aren't just pop out.
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Elvin
Admirable
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posted February 15, 2008 05:37 PM |
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I rather like the diversity, besides it's not much of a contrast. With the lighter green portraits and the shamans back to their original looks the faction looks great 
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MrDragon
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posted February 16, 2008 09:22 AM |
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Btw as far as Cyclopses are concerned they are also "orcs" as in they were bred from human/demon stock, it says so in their bio that they are related to orcs.
Hence if orcs are gren so should Cyclopses be.
Wyverns are the only unit that should be Non-green.
And the colored spots on upgraded orcs should like the goblin trapper be blue, all agreed?
Btw could you turn the beard on the tier 3 upgrade black, the blond hair on the green chin annoys me.
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Cepheus
Honorable
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Far-flung Keeper
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posted February 16, 2008 04:32 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 16:46, 16 Feb 2008.
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Sure, I'll refine some details a little later. But seriously, relax about the genetics and lore. We are just trying to emulate the green Orcs from Heroes III, there's no reason to go overboard with Ashan's natural laws. They look good, that's the main thing, right...?
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Elvin
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posted February 16, 2008 04:56 PM |
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By the way the goblins could do with a darker tone, if you try it a screenshot would be nice.
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MrDragon
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posted February 17, 2008 12:24 AM |
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Well about the Genetics and lore the extensive talk was for laughs but as for cyclopses and centaurs... well they look very out of place now with the color changes.
But maybe, and here's a subtle idea.
To like with the regular orc units apply slight changes in the hue of their skin for un-upraded, upgrade 1 and upgrade 2.
Un-upgraded perhaps a paler, warmer green.
Upgrade 1 with blue spots.
Upgrade 2 with a bit of brownisher green.
Because while this is definatly starting to look like something.
If you would add a bit more to it it will be awesome.
(originally I wasn't even planning on using it but seeing the work so far in gameplay, it certainly has the potential to be a lot cooler then the original.)
Now before I give off the wrong impression I'm very grateful that we have several awesome skinners here at this site that are willing to put in the effort for simple little projects like this.
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Lepastur
Known Hero
The Red Taskmaster
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posted February 18, 2008 08:59 PM |
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Is it my imagination or Ceph managed to edit the 3D models?
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Elvin
Admirable
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posted February 18, 2008 09:04 PM |
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They seem the same to me if we exclude the color change.
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Cepheus
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posted February 18, 2008 09:04 PM |
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Your imagination I'm afraid, all I did was recolouring and turning a couple of parts transparent.
The next version will probably be a little delayed as I have important exams next week.
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Elvin
Admirable
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posted February 18, 2008 09:16 PM |
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There is no real need for a new version as this one is very good. And good luck with the exams.
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Cepheus
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posted February 18, 2008 09:32 PM |
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Thanks, I was just planning to fix the background on the icons and add purple spots to the Tier 3 though. And maybe darken the Goblins as you suggested.
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