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kipshasz
kipshasz


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posted March 01, 2009 06:50 PM

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In fact, drunk drivers ALREADY should have a fear of suicide/death. Do they care? You don't think when you're drunk. Not straight anyway.
in my country most of drunk drivers are complete idiots with mush for brains. This kind of people retards don't think at all. Neither when drunk nor sober.

@Mvass: what will punishment change? One retarded policeman killed two eight year olds and got only six years in jail. Recently two drunk geniuses killed two families when they hitted their SUV and it was rammed by a passing big rig truck. Those two ended up in reanimation.
*sigh*
when do they learn that the only suitable punishment for them is hanging?
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del_diablo
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posted March 01, 2009 06:58 PM
Edited by del_diablo at 19:00, 01 Mar 2009.

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A cool idea, but hardly adaptable, due to the fact that old cars still outnumber new ones.


You know, there is a reason public regulations exists, enforcing all car manifacturers to ship the cars that is sold inside the country to have it.
Then create a "trade an old for a new car"-campaign with reasonable reasons to swap to a new car with this tecnology. You may also add in several reasons like: "Consumes less fuel and also pollutes less per liter of fuel", on the top of the stack to get it over with.

As for heroin, like everything else there could be a max buy system. Maybe via a your ID is tagged to a central database that got a  system that sets the "max drug purchas a week" or someting. Or someting.
I really got no idea on what exact system and limits it should have however.

Kipshasz: I sincesterly agree..............
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JollyJoker
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posted March 01, 2009 07:05 PM

Sometimes I really wonder what some people are thinking here.

It should be common knowledge that there has been a time when alcohol was illegal in the US - it was called prohibition, and the only effect that had was allowing organized crime to become businessmen afterwards.

There is no alternative to a responsible process of legalizing drugs.

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kipshasz
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posted March 01, 2009 07:59 PM

The dry law... I remember that from the old movies about mafia. Though this law was broken too. Illegal pubs, and less commonly smuggling. This works in islamic countries though, where booze is against religion...
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Doomforge
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posted March 01, 2009 08:37 PM

... and everybody drinks anyway.

I agree with JJ.
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TheDeath
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posted March 01, 2009 08:42 PM

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Wise words! I can hardly believe it was you who said that.
Mvass, what I said there it means it won't change the PEOPLE.

I have no interest in changing the people here. I have an interest in making them stop affecting others or other things. You know, I do know that putting handcuffs and bringing someone to jail will NOT change them (immediately at least), but I still advocate it, to stop him from influencing others (this could mean robbery, for example, etc...).

Likewise, as an analogy, I'm not banning nukes to make people 'angels'. Terrorists will still be terrorists, but banning nukes makes them stop from influencing others with it. (well, at least, makes their job a lot harder anyway, nothing is fool-proof). Similar with alcohol, especially drunk drivers or other "accidents" (including domestic fights, or bar fights even, or just about any fight).

So in any case, I would actually ban alcohol first and then legalize drugs
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posted March 01, 2009 09:33 PM

There's a critical difference between weapons and drugs. Let's say I shoot you with a gun. That clearly affects you negatively. Let's say I drink a glass of wine. That affects you... how? I'm not throwing the wine at you - the wine is only having an effect on me.

Now, of course if I get in the car and start driving while drunk, and hit you, then that's different - but I should be punished for hitting you, not for drinking.

Same with guns. Suppose a guy owns a gun, and uses it at a target range regularly. He never uses it for any other purpose. Surely he should be allowed to have that gun.
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TheDeath
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posted March 01, 2009 10:08 PM

You clearly did not get it. Sometimes i wonder why you always get it so hard. Why do you keep on punishment? Whether you punish an attacker or not, it's not going to "undo" the victim's situation. (even if there's no death involved, still the 'experience' cannot be undone).

I wasn't even talking about punishment.

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There's a critical difference between weapons and drugs. Let's say I shoot you with a gun. That clearly affects you negatively. Let's say I drink a glass of wine. That affects you... how?
Practice mvass, not idealism. Terrorists getting a nuke does NOT affect me either. It's using it that it does. So we should allow them to get nukes! Seriously man.
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mvassilev
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posted March 01, 2009 10:14 PM

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Sometimes i wonder why you always get it so hard.
That's what she said.

And no, you don't get it. Banning alcohol isn't going to make the victim feel any better, either. (Ban running people over, not alcohol. )

And regarding nuclear weapons - there's only one reason why someone would go through all the trouble to get one. That's why they shouldn't be allowed.
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TheDeath
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posted March 01, 2009 10:41 PM

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And no, you don't get it. Banning alcohol isn't going to make the victim feel any better, either. (Ban running people over, not alcohol. )
Yeah, excuse me if I am more practical on solving this than "banning drunk driving" (which is already banned). How are you going to ban it properly, putting police cameras in everyone's cars?

Or ban "fights"? Wait, they're already banned! It's not like drunk people give a **** anyway. You know, one thing is to ban something that applies when you are conscious, another one is to ban something when you are drunk. The latter simply doesn't work in practice.
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mvassilev
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posted March 01, 2009 10:56 PM

But people accept this risk whenever they drink.

Plus, there's stuff that won't let your ignition turn on if you're drunk.
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TheDeath
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posted March 01, 2009 11:29 PM

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But people accept this risk whenever they drink.
Accept what? What risk? Their eventual accidents? I don't care about THEM, I don't even pity them. I care about the VICTIM(s). They are not the victim.
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mvassilev
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posted March 01, 2009 11:42 PM

Whenever the victims get on the roads, they accept some degree of risk as well.
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TheDeath
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posted March 02, 2009 02:46 AM

That's kinda ridiculous when we can reduce this for those who are perfectly honest and careful citizens. And what about bar fights? Domestic fights? Other (random) fights?
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mvassilev
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posted March 02, 2009 04:04 AM

And there are perfectly honest and careful citizens who choose to partake of alcohol.

For bar fights - you go to a bar, you know there are going to be drunk people there. Domestic fights? You don't need alcohol to beat your wife. Besides, plenty of people drink and never beat their wives. And besides, most fights are very much avoidable. And it's pretty obvious when somebody is drunk.
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JollyJoker
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posted March 02, 2009 06:51 AM

Talking about habit forming...

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doomnezeu
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posted March 02, 2009 09:44 AM

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Whenever the victims get on the roads, they accept some degree of risk as well.

Quoted for truth. We have a saying here in Romania, it goes something like: "If a train is supposed to run you over, it will run you over even if you hide under your bed." (roughly translated).

And Death, you should know better, you live in Crappyrest (Bucharest), the chance for you to be knocked down by and imbecile, in-a-hurry, SOBER driver is MUCH MUCH higher than being run over by some drunk driver. But then, all drivers from Bucharest are complete retards that should be shot in both legs.
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Wolfman
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posted March 02, 2009 09:46 AM

Isn't it a little unfair to fault the normal driver at all for getting hit by a drunk driver?
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Azagal
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posted March 02, 2009 10:03 AM

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mvass:

I'm still for full legalization myself. Any drug type.

Are you serious? I'm pretty sure you know how extremely addictive cocain is, how dangerous LSD and all the other stuff. What good could it possibly do to make it easier for the people to get selfdestructive stuff like that?
I mean we can talk about weed and the harmless stuff for sure but not about the hardcore ones. Legalizing them is plain stupid, sorry.
Why is it stupid? Well society has tons of people who would start taking drugs to get out of their depression which would lead to hordes of junkies (as if they'd be able to control their addiction...) and crazy people (either under the influence or damaged through sideeffects).

Or what possible positive effect of the "lagalize any drug typ" idea didn't I get?
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JollyJoker
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posted March 02, 2009 10:13 AM

http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-driving-statistics.html

Statistics for the US. Note that while the number of fatalities has been pretty constant, the percentage of those involving alcolhol has decreased by over a third.

At car-accidents.com you'll find that the overall percentage of alcohol-related traffic-accidents is around 10%.

The following is interesting to note as well:

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Drivers with a BAC level of .08 or higher involved in fatal crashes were eight times more likely to have a prior conviction for driving while impaired (DWI) than were drivers with no alcohol (8% and 1%, respectively).

In 2006, more than 8,200 (55%) of the drivers involved in fatal crashes who had been drinking had a BAC of .15 or greater.


So you might say that more drastical penalties with regard to the loss of driving licenses and driving without having a valid driving license might have a massive effect on the statistics.

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