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alcibiades
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posted October 24, 2008 09:19 AM |
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Nice to see you back luv 
Thanx hun, you too. 
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Like most of the Naga faction, but I do think the levels 6 & 7 should swap place.
Not sure about that, actually, think with a week level 8 caster, the faction will benefit from a level 7 tanky unit. Also, since this faction doesn't have a lot of flying units, I prefer to have it "already" at level 6.
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As for the Ancient Mind ability it does sound a lot like
my Troll factions special.
In fact, it does. I had not even seen your faction, but I see we had pretty much the same thought.
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And about special... what do you have in mind for the Nagas? Are you reusing your old spellcasting thingamajig from last you wrote a Naga faction?
I have not really decided on this yet. It will be something magic, though, and it might indeed come out as something about Evocation and manipulation of spells.
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BananaMystic
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posted January 09, 2009 01:57 PM |
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I just made an account with the sole intention to necro-bump this topic with one suggestion, but first: Awesome thread. You clearly put a lot of time and effort into that magic system. It's almost overwhelming. Now then, on to business:
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- Transitional Skills modify the effectivity of your Hero. The list of Transitional Skills currently looks like this:
- Logistics - increases movement
- War Machines - boosts war machines
- Combat - increases Hero initiative when doing melee attack
- Sorcery - increases Hero initiative when casting spells
- Enlightenment - increases (Magic?) stats (Power/Knowledge) and adds XP
- Undecided (?) - increases Might stats (Attack/Defence) plus other effect or something entirely different
As for the might counter-part of Enlightenment up there? At first I thought Experience, but that wouldn't work because of obvious reasons, but what about Veterency or Seniority? Those imply military experience which I think would work well in this situation.
I hope I'm not committing some heinous act in bumping this thread up from page 5. If you were done here, I'm sorry, my bad. If you've already figured out what you were going to do with it, damn, too late on my part. If you don't see this post for a few more months and it sends you into a spiral of rage for whatever reason that ends in the fulfillment of a suicide pact, again, my bad. If my particular brand of humor is rubbing someone the wrong way, I'm sorry, guys.
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Lexxan
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posted January 09, 2009 02:04 PM |
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Remind me who you are again?
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Azagal
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posted January 09, 2009 02:38 PM |
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What does it matter ? He said he just registered what's with you?
His contribution is totally ok. I actually agree with the veterancy/experience thing. Eventhough Veterancy sounds cooler^^. Don't worry you've send nobody down a spiral of rage^^
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Lexxan
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posted January 09, 2009 02:44 PM |
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What does it matter? He said he just registered what's with you?
I somehow had the feeling he was a double account of someboady.
if not- I apologize, sorry :S
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Geny
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posted January 09, 2009 07:26 PM |
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I hope I'm not committing some heinous act in bumping this thread up from page 5.
Don't worry, you're not. It's about time alci got back to this anyway.
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halo1cej
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posted January 10, 2009 03:15 AM |
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I've got to say you have done a great job. I do not like the idea of the Rocs upgrades are both eletric. Possibly making it also go to Firebird and Phoenix. Also the some of the rivalries are kind of mixed up in my opinionI think the Bastion and Sanctuary should be rivals since they are both in the "aquatic" setting, and the Orcs and Dwarves should be rivals since its like David vs Goliath kinda. Now all I want to see is creature stats HP and stuff like that. Also I am interested in seeing how with 8 units in each castle how many the hero can hold. Honestly with 8 units it should go back down to 5 therefore making you choose which to take and which to leave back. Anyway good job! Oh, by the way, spearmen, and polearms men are primarely used for defence so dont worry about changing it, trust me i know that stuff!
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posted January 10, 2009 06:27 AM |
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Daystar
You actually bring up something here that has REALLY pained me a lot! The case is that Necropolis has 9 units that I think do well in the line-up, and I do agree that the ones that are most superfluous is the "double" Ghost/Wight manifestation. Problem is how then to distribute units best?
I decided here to let Mummy remain as Neutral in the vein of Heroes 5. I didn't like this approach, to be honest (I think many here know of my disgust of these Neutrals) - but somehow it ended up being the least bad of 3 options:
1a) Merge Ghost and Wight and take in Mummy; place Mummy at low level (level 3) and keep Wight at high level. This option is probably the least good, because: a) Mummy will become a boring level 3 creature; b) Necropolis already has one low-level fodder being the Zombie; and c) I like the options that the Incorporeal Ghosts for Necropolis in early game.
1b) Merge Ghost and Wight and take in Mummy, place Mummy at high level (level 5?) and remove the high-level Wight, instead push Lich up one level. This option is not a bad one, and could deffinitely work. My main gripes would be: a) Wraiths are pretty cool creatures to look at! I will sort of miss them on level 6/7; b) Necropolis will suddenly have 2 casters on level 5/6, which is probably a bit over the top, or alternatively, either Lich or Mummy has no spells, which makes either creature pretty dull.
2) Leaving out Mummies or Black Knights as neutrals. As I think the Black Knight fills a more relevant spot in the Necropolis army (offensive walker), I would leave out Mummy.
I settled for option 2), although I might go for option 1b) also.
Am I the only one who thinks mummies should just be upgraded zombies? think about it, they are preserved corpses with bandages wrapped around them. If you burn the bandages off of them, you get zombies. Just saying. ;P
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alcibiades
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posted January 11, 2009 03:24 PM |
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Albeit this thread has been dormant for a while, the whole project as such is not dead, but between real life obligations, modding obligations, modding projects and gaming, it's just rarely that I find time to do something systematic about it, and at the moments, I'm sort of having 100 small pieces of ideas for skill systems bumping around in my head that I need to fit into one coherent picture - so be sure, when I have something, I'll come back to it.
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Geny
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posted January 11, 2009 08:47 PM |
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emilsn
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posted January 12, 2009 07:13 AM |
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And I'll be here... waiting.
And I will be right behind you, waiting.. aswell.. a little .. nevermind
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hodja
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posted March 19, 2009 07:02 PM |
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I know, I know. Sorry for that. 
Ok, let me try to post a few more things then. I will extrapolate on the concept of Alignment and explain how this connects with Magic Schools and Portefolios.
Alignment and Magic Schools
There are 6 different singular alignments as explained above, and each of these relate to a School of Magic. Factions will be most likely to specialize in schools of magic that match their alignment, but will generally not be prohibited to cross-specialize - however, spells in mage guild will match alignment, thus making cross-specialization more difficult (like in Heroes 5). Whether some schools will be prohibited for certain classes (possibly being replaced be respective Shatter Magic skills) is not finally decided yet.
The Schools of Magic and their corresponding Alignments are as follows:
     
     
     
Some of these magic schools will be rather similar to the current Heroes 5 ones, whereas some of them will be quite changed. I will upload details on the contents of the magic schools later.
Portefolios
Portefolios are a kind of "sub-alignments" - more specifically, a combination of two alignemtns creates a portefolio. Examples of this could be:
Good + Nature = Life
Good + Arcane = Creation
Good + Order = Community
Good + Chaos = Freedom
Good + Evil does not exist, as these two alignments are opposed and don't mix.
Thus, a portefolio is simply a smaller aspect of an alignment.
There are a total of 12 Portefolios, and these are:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Magic Schools and Portefolios
As mentioned above, each Portefolio forms the common element between two alignments. The below diagrams show how the Portefolios relate to the different schools of magic.
As mentioned above, each Magic School has 4 related Portefolios (for example, Divine Magic has Life, Animation, Freedom and Community). The Portefolios will relate the the Magic Classes within each school - to take again Divine Magic as an example, this school will contain the following classes: Healing, Blessing, Transformation and Abjuration. Each of these will relate to two portefolios - for instance, Healing relates to Life and Community. This means, that factions with these two portefolios (for instance, Haven) will be more likely to have this kind of spells appear in their mage guild. Details on how this will work will come later when working more specifically with magic.
it is wonderfull i admit but some part of its is wrong i mean only the last pic.
nature and order gives us the most stubburn, solid element of existence: earth. i think everyone accepts that the opposite of it is air, chaotic and radical.
then; lawful and radical, hidden and regular, it is water i think. always has a shape but never its own shape.
and of course the last one, fire, chaotic and conservative compared to air, fire conserves its heat, anger, even background, history. air does not care
so, it changes everything if elements change. it is only my opinion about this brand new clever complex idea of yours. and forgive my bad english, it is just a review i made. it just did not seem right to me that way.
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alcibiades
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posted July 28, 2009 07:29 PM |
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Bump
It's been a while, but maybe I should resurrect this thread a bit.
Been playing around with some of this stuff for a while, haven't worked on factions, but reworked skill system and magic system so that there are now 4 magic schools again. Instead, there is added a new group of combat skills to supplement the magic schools.
Think it's time to upload a bit of it.
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Geny
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posted July 28, 2009 08:20 PM |
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It's alive!.. again... kind of...
Anyway, let's see it.
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Warmonger
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posted July 28, 2009 08:35 PM |
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The system three posts above is perfect. Logical, consistent, clear, playable, balanced. If I have a chance to work on Heroes (part 7? 8? ), I will do everything to push it through.
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alcibiades
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posted July 28, 2009 09:06 PM |
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The system three posts above is perfect. Logical, consistent, clear, playable, balanced. If I have a chance to work on Heroes (part 7? 8? ), I will do everything to push it through.
Yeah, it was a nice system, but in the end, there were too many Magic skills, which caused an imbalance in overall skills - so I ended up reducing it to 4 again.
@ Geny > Will upload, just need to finish images. Probably tomorrow.
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VokialBG
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posted July 28, 2009 09:22 PM |
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About the Dragon Longing... it's nice idea, but since all the necromancers creatures are under his will... It's not really the dragon that attacks the living dragon, but the Necromancer is using him as weapon. Maybe only Liches, vampires and death knights are thinking for themselfes...
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Geny
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posted July 28, 2009 09:29 PM |
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Dragons are powerful magical creatures, especially in the world of Ashan. It wouldn't be too unusual if a fragment of their consciousness remained even in their undead form.
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VokialBG
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posted July 28, 2009 09:39 PM |
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Yeah but if they are neutral... under necromancers control they are like puppets...
thats why necro has this new slavery magic school, right?
And who is getting the freedom? Sylvan and Haven?
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posted July 28, 2009 10:03 PM |
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What page are updates on?
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