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MattII
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posted March 06, 2008 09:12 PM |
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Okay, so this gives us 400 in town creatures, but to tell you the truth, I'm not entirely sure that's a good idea, I think it's just going to give us too many units.
By the way, is it just me, or does that map look vagely similar to the real world? (eg Thyssus/Al-Shazzar could be Africa, Challoth could be Spain, Vale of Heresh the Arabian Peninsular, Hashima Nariya Indonesia, etc.)
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Geny
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posted March 06, 2008 09:28 PM |
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Well, I'm not too good with numbers, so if you think that their damage won't become pathetic compared to their number at some reasonable point I'm okay with it.
Btw, did you see my edit at the end of the previous post?
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alcibiades
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posted March 06, 2008 09:38 PM |
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Well, I'm not too good with numbers, so if you think that their damage won't become pathetic compared to their number at some reasonable point I'm okay with it.
I think the peasant thing could work. For now, it's my best suggestion. It might work like this:
Damage = Base Damage x Number x (100 - 10 x log[number])%
This would mean that:
1 Peasant does 1 x Base Damage.
10 Peasants do 90 % x 10 x Base Damage.
100 Peasants do 80 % x 100 x Base Damage.
1000 Peasants do 70 % x 1000 x Base Damage.
10000 Peasants do 60 % x 10000 x Base Damage ... etc.
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Btw, did you see my edit at the end of the previous post?
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Edit: this is tough, both halberdier and spearman had mostly deffensive roles on the battlefield. Maybe, instead of making one of them offensive, it would be better making them both deffensive but in two clearly different ways... like one protects himself while another protects his allies, or one is better suited for stoping one opponent while the other is better at stoping multiple stacks...
In fact I didn't. I like this idea. One possible ability I would like to try out is this one:
Opportunist: Every time an enemy unit passes through this units Area Of Control (meaning the tiles that it can attack to without moving), the unit gets an attack of opportunity on the enemy unit.
This would be a great ability for this Pikeman to have, because it due to its reach has a fairly large Area Of Control (a two-tile circle around it), meaning that any unit trying to pass through a 5-tile band would suffer a free attack from this stack - a great way to protect allies while still being able to move around.
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Geny
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posted March 06, 2008 09:41 PM |
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alcibiades
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posted March 06, 2008 09:53 PM |
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Hmmm, but how to distribute then?
Long Weapon > Long Weapon + Preparation > Long Weapon + Preparation + Opportunist
Long Weapon > Long Weapon + Defensive Stance > Long Weapon + Defensive Stance + Charge Breaker
Does that look reasonable? I have a bit difficulty assessing how potent an ability Preparation in fact is?
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Geny
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posted March 06, 2008 09:54 PM |
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So do I, better ask someone who played HoF.
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Daystar
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posted March 07, 2008 03:46 AM |
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Edited by Daystar at 03:48, 07 Mar 2008.
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YES!!!! Alc has returned to us bearing Excel graphs!!!! Woot!!!
I love the new concept of repeated upgrades, but do the 3rd levels transfer back and forth (eg, can you turn an Imperial into a War?)
Also, minor note: Long Weapon? He he he he he.
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imp
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posted March 07, 2008 04:47 AM |
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daystar your hilarious...i like your haven line up, especially the trample ability(is that new or do we already have it?)
when you do orcs you should bring the behemoth back
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alcibiades
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posted March 07, 2008 07:32 AM |
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YES!!!! Alc has returned to us bearing Excel graphs!!!! Woot!!!
Yes, I have not been COMPLETELY laze, just a bit bussy. 
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I love the new concept of repeated upgrades, but do the 3rd levels transfer back and forth (eg, can you turn an Imperial into a War?)
Uhm, the concept of re-upgrading has not been completely laid down yet. The basic answer is: Yes, you can re-train.
However, as the concept is now, I think you'll need to build individual buildings for each branch: For instance, the Peasant branch might look like this:
Basic (Peasants) > Addon D1 (Farmers) > Addon D2(Landlords)
> Addon O1 (Conscripts) > Addon O2 (Militia)
Not too sure about that - obviously, that will be quite resource consumptious, so maybe I will later discard it - maybe I will re-think the costs of buildings - i.e. Addon O1 might come cheap if you have already Addon D1. On the other hand, I like the fact that such a model would mean: a) You need to plan your needs, b) you need to prioritize your resources, c) town will not be fully build until very late.
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Also, minor note: Long Weapon? He he he he he.
Geeze, you naughty boy. 
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when you do orcs you should bring the behemoth back
I have a bit of a special surprise on that part. Can't promise you'll like it, though.
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Lesij
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posted March 07, 2008 08:25 AM |
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Daystar
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posted March 07, 2008 01:13 PM |
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However, as the concept is now, I think you'll need to build individual buildings for each branch:
That sounds like a solid plan.
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alcibiades
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posted March 07, 2008 02:48 PM |
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Lycanthropes will be present, but only in a very small role, and not as a faction.
Thanx for the input guys, info on Haven is updated according to discussions. Also added Hero names and Alignment, explanations of this will come later.
Plan to upload Inferno later today so stay put. 
As promised, tonight's upload is Inferno.
Again, units are presented with upgrades and abilities, but stats are not made. To see unit details, click on the image with the basic name.
Heroes: Demon Lord and Heretic (surprise).
Alignment: Evil, Chaotic, Radical.
Portefolios: Death, Individuality, Fire.
Opposed Faction: Haven.
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Daystar
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posted March 07, 2008 10:00 PM |
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Wait, Lemure? Those cute ring tailed things? Interesting choice for a demonic entity...
My only major complaint is about name choices for the Succubi upgrades, they seem...redundant. The Pit Spawns and upgrades are brilliant.
I like that you are bringing in a lot from different mythologies, it really helps. So far i've counted Christian, Greek/Roman, Misty-European-Areas-ian, and Tolkein. Keep going!
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Cepheus
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posted March 07, 2008 10:14 PM |
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I agree, how about:
Base = Succubus
Upg 1 = Succubus Mistress, Concubine
Upg 2 = Temptress, Seductress
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alcibiades
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posted March 07, 2008 10:38 PM |
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The whole naming thing has at some points been a real pain in the ..., to be honest. The Succubus names probably could be improved, although they are also probably not the worst on the list. I really appreciate that you bring in suggestions for alternatives - sometimes, there's just something you had not thought about.
As for the Lemure - the name is taken from Dungeons and Dragons, where as Lemure is a lesser Devil on par with an Imp. Name is probably copyright protected, just like Quasit - and the same goes with the whole Balor / Balrog thing - although the names are nice to use here, because they invoke a specific image in peoples minds, they are probably protected by certain institutions.
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Daystar
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posted March 07, 2008 10:41 PM |
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Ooh! Idea! We get Dungeons and Dragons to buy the rights to Tolkein's Works (or the reverse, whichever is cheaper) and then get them to produce Heroes VI!
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Cepheus
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posted March 07, 2008 10:44 PM |
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Are you still with us here on Planet Earth, Daystar?
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Daystar
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posted March 07, 2008 11:53 PM |
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Earth? I've heard of that place. Seems mostly harmless. Why do you bring it up?
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Geny
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posted March 08, 2008 11:03 AM |
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Not bad. Lucky for you, I'm really tired after yesterday's party and don't have the power to nitpick. So only one question:
Could you explain again what exactly the smoke cone ability does? (hell horse's offensive upgrades)
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bixie
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my common sense is tingling!
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posted March 08, 2008 11:23 AM |
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Acl, i am in awe at what you have done!
nice one.
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