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posted May 18, 2009 02:38 PM |
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Don't get me wrong, incest is all well and good...  But if it was meant to be in Baldur's Gate then Bioware would've put it there.
So you're a purist? Only bioware's plot is good, modders altering it suck?
And I don't give a damn about the incest. They never were biological siblings anyway, and I wouldn't mind if they were, too. It's a damn game. People play gta4 and kill cops, beat pedestrians, burn them with molotov coctails and say it's just a game, but if they see incest in a videogame, they say "heyy, it's morally bad!".
As if blowing a random woman's head with a rocket launcher was better.
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posted May 18, 2009 03:24 PM |
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Edited by Lexxan at 15:25, 18 May 2009.
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The incest thing is no big deal. I mean, both Protagonist and Imoen are demi-gods, and these are known to be incestuous through-out mythology  (Like Zeus and Hera or Osiris and Isis)
I think it would be a lot funnier to let Imoen have a lesbian romance with Nalia or something, lol.
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posted May 18, 2009 04:01 PM |
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You can play as female char and get your lesbian romance anyway. Imoen is bisexual in the mod ^^
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posted May 18, 2009 04:04 PM |
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Lol, Very good as my Player Character is a Female Thief lol. (Appearance based on Immy in BG1 ofc). Lol, Where can I get this mod, btw? She'll gladly dump that douchebag Anomen when I've downloaded it!
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posted May 18, 2009 04:35 PM |
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just google it. It's called "Imoen Romance", duh. 
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posted May 18, 2009 05:02 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 17:03, 18 May 2009.
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So you're a purist? Only bioware's plot is good, modders altering it suck?
1) Yes, 2) No, if the modders' storylines are good.
I don't like the mod and said so, simple as that. YMMV.
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posted May 23, 2009 01:33 PM |
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posted May 27, 2009 11:33 PM |
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Edited by Lexxan at 23:36, 27 May 2009.
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I've completed Baldur's Gate with a Female Thief (+ Anomen, Jaheira, Minsc, Aerie and Imoen)
For some reason, the conversations with Anomen ended as soon as he was Knighted... after he became Sir Anomen, I had none! Five chapters long.
Oddly enough, I barely had any conversations at all with any NPC after that, just as the NPCs had between their own.
Is this some kind of bug?
BTW: Giving it a second try, this time with a Male Kensai/Mage (Current party: Anomen, Viconia, Jaheira, Yoshimo and Nalia; planning to romance Jaheira)
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Edited by Lexxan at 23:28, 12 Jun 2009.
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NPC guide... continued
Baldur's Gate 1:
AJANTIS
"Evil must be purged without mercy"
Gender: Male
Race: Human
Class: Paladin
Alignment: Lawful Good
Abilities: STR 17, DEX 13, CON 16, INT 12, WIS 13, CHA 17
Where to be found: Ankheg Farmlands
Comments: Ajantis is the Only Paladin in Baldur's Gate 1, and is on his own a very solid NPC. Decent Constitution and Good Strength and Charisma make an Excellent Paladin. His Lay Hands can be a major help if you don't have enough Healing Spells/Potions around, while his Detect Evil can show you how many enemies you probably shall face (as most enemies are EVIL). Ajantis can be found on west-side of the Ankheg Farmlands, north of the Friendly Arm Inn. If you insult him (Calling him "Tin-head", followed by "Mister Garbage Can", due to his ugly helmet) he will attack. If not, he will offer to join he. He's a good Alternative to Minsc and Khalid, and will make an excellent travelling companion. He's also available quite early, allowing you to bond with him much easier. If Branwen's in the Party, He'll flirt with her, though she just calls him a "brave warrior" in response.
DYNAHEIR
"Who art thou to touch me, like thy knowst me?"
Gender: Female
Race: Human
Class: Invoker
Alignment: Lawful Good
Abilities: STR 11, DEX 13, CON 16, INT 17, WIS 15, CHA 12
Where to be found: Gnoll Stronghold; in the Eastern Pit
Comments: Unless you've dual-classes Imoen into a Mage, Dynaheir will be the only Good Aligned Mage your party can get. Invoker is not the best of all Magic Classes, but it's certainly better than Enchanter or Diviner. However, this means that Dynaheir CANNOT cast Enchantement or Conjuration Spells. So no Melf's Acid Arrow, no Sleep, No Dire Charm. Pretty annoying. No Damaging Spells (except the Average "Aganazzar's Scorcher" spell) at the second level, a level that is solely reserved for Web and Mirror Image. As for stats, they aren't too impressive either, only Constitution and Intelligence really stand out. This means that she has a decent amount of hit points at least, and has a high chance (80% iirc) to learn spells and has a high Lore Skill. Dexterity is annoyingly low, which is reflected in her way-too-high Armor Class (though Edwin's AC is much more worse). She WILL get hit easily, so make sure you have Mirror Image at the ready. All other stats are passable though.
Dynaheir's companion is Minsc, though she will not look for him when you free her (in case you killed Misnc earlier). She and Minsc are one a special mission, much more important that their trial of manhood. (to find out what it is, kick Dynaheir out of the party, Dire Charm her, and talk to her again... then you'll see). Edwin is Dyna's mortal Enemy, and if you rescue her with Edwin in your party, you'll be forced to either kill Dyna or Kill Edwin. Dynaheir has the ability to Slow poison twice a day, which might come in handy when fighting Spiders in Cloakwood or Sirines along the Sword Coast.
Dynaheir's demeanor and speech is courteous, if not archaic. She is likeable enough. Overall slightly above average
TIP: Getting Dynaheir later will result in having a better spellbook: At Level 5 she will have Fireball AND Stinking Cloud/Web, so you won't have bother buying scrolls for her anymore. Make sure you also have equipent with you, as she will have none, apart from her Robes, afaik.
YESLICK
"Clangeddin's Will be done"
Gender: Male
Race: Dwarf
Class: Fighter/Cleric
Alignment: Lawful Good
Abilities: STR 15, DEX 12, CON 17, INT 7, WIS 16, CHA 10
Where to be found: CLoakwood Mines, Slave Prison on the Second Level.
Comments: Yeslick is a mellow, laidback, but simple-minded Dwarf, who you, despite the annoying Voice Set, will immedeately like. Now, his stats aren't impressive at first sight, but don't worry. His Strength is adequate enough, and 16 Wisdom is alright. Yeslick's big Stat, Consitution is High, and will result in an extremely tough and bulky npc. Yeslick is the polar opposite of the Greedy, Sneaky Dwarf Kagain, and having the two together in the same party, WILL result in bloodshed over time. Despite being a Dual-class, thus having a significant Experience Pentatly in the long run, Yeslick ought not to be underestimate. Like I said, he can take quite a punch, AND he has an interesting special ability: And additional Dispell Magic one a day. That's a very, VERY powerfull ability, and probably the most usefull of all Specials (though Edwin's can be equally strong). Yeslick is best used as a Front-line fighter (give him Bassillius's Hammer +2 and he'll be as good as a normal Fighter), and not as a slinger. (low Dexterity).Yeslick will have no equipment whatsoever on him when he's found. Make sure you at least have A Melee and/Or ranged weapon to give him (Nearby Guard and Hobgoblins can provide the nessecairy Armor, Helmets and Shields). Overall, An Excellent choice for a sixth party member, should you need one. One of the best Multi-classes available.
TIP: If you think you might need Yeslick after the Cloakwood chapter, make sure you enter the Mines with a Party of 5. When they are flooded and you've entered with 6 Characters, then one of the NPCS SHALL die and be unavailable for the remainder of the game. (An excellent opportunity to get rid of Faldorn imho Pity you can't drown Quayle.. yet)
ALORA
"I'm so sweet, I've got rotting teeth and gums"
Gender: Female
Race: Halfling
Class: Thief
Alignment: Chaotic Good
Abilities: STR 8, DEX 19, CON 12, INT 14, WIS 7, CHA 10
Where to be found: Baldur's Gate, in the Hall of Wonders (West BG) at night.
Comments: Should you enter the Hall of Wonders at night, (and the chances are high, as there is a pretty lucrative subquest for this), you will run into Alora, the Over-cheery Halfling Thief, who is trying to steal the Telescope of Gond. If you let her open the lock (which is a very TOUGH lock to pick), she will offer to join you. Unless you really like to be in a constant group hug, I suggest that you decline. She's really not that good.
I once browsed the Official Baldur's Gate Forum, and one of the members kept constantly repeating that Alora was the best NPC in the game. What a troll. Alora's dexterity is enormous, yes, but she falters is all other stats. Strength is low, like Imoen's (actually, the 1 point makes no difference game-playwise), but she lacks the Constitution/Hit Points, meaning that she'll die easily. And dying she will, as most fights in that chapter will be very tough. She's even more fragile than Dynaheir, but who is much better at fighting. I see NO reason to keep her in favour to Imoen.
Apart from stats, she also has bad Thieving Skills. Pick Pockets and Stealth will be highly develop, but Open Locks and Find Traps (the most important thieving skills) will be appallingly low. Avoid this NPC, for game-play's sake! She's not that likeable either, imo (Happy-happy!! Joy-joy!! Happy-happy!! Joy-joy!!)
CORAN
"Life is Adventure or nothing!"
Gender: Male
Race: Elf
Class: Fighter/Thief
Alignment: Chaotic Good
Abilities: STR 14, DEX 20, CON 12, INT 14, WIS 9, CHA 16
Were you can find him: Cloakwood Area 1, on the Bridge in the Center of the Map)
Comments: Some say that Coran is the best NPC in the game. I wouldn't go that far, but he's indeed a very good one. Now in Coran's case, nothing is what it seems. His portrait look rather violent, but he's actually very good-natured and laidback. His Dexterity would make you think that he's a good thief. In fact he's poor one. (No matter at what level you get him, his Find Traps skill will be completely undevelopped). His Physical stats seem weakish, but in fact, he's a very competent Archer. (Get the Bracer's of Archery from Zal!!) Coran is a very interesting Character, and I can guarantee this: You will LOVE him as soon as you know him. He's by far the best Archer in the game, on a par, and even surpassing Kivan. He's the best Middle-line Archer you can have. Coran is also one of the few NPCs that have 2 Subquests instead of 1: Firstly, you need to kill a Wyvern (any Wyvern will do) and bring it's head to Keldath Ollymr, the Bereghostian Priest of Lathander for a Nice Reward. The Second one is more subtle, and will commence in Baldur's Gate. The Human Mage Brielbara in the NE Area of the City, will ask you to save her daughter from a deadly curse. Should you refuse this quest, or fail it, Coran will leave the party forever (with all you equipment!). He's is the girl's father, you see.
Coran is, like hinted above, quite a flirt to have. (just combine Elvin's demeanor with Anti's flirtocity to get an idea); He will flirt with EVERY Female NPC, with mixed Results. Shar-Teel will be annoyed, as she despises men. Eldoth will be angry as Coran will try to woo Skie. Safana of the other hand, will respond with equal, if not intenser flirting. In BG2 Both Coran and Safana will return and you'll learn that they've formed a couple.
Either way, a very good choice for an alternative, Good-aligned party. Combine with Safana for an intense thieving tandem (Safana can Open lock and Find Traps, While Coran and Hide/Backstab and pick pockets).
KIVAN
"My thirst for revenge gives me strength to go on..."
Gender: Male
Race: Elf
Class: Ranger
Alignment: Chaotic Good
Abilities: STR 18/12, DEX 17, CON 14, INT 10, WIS 14, CHA 8
Where to be found: High Hedge, NE side of the Building.
Comments: Kivan is not your average Elf. While most Elves tend to be frivolous, cheerfull and somewhat naive (see Coran), Kivan is strikingly gruff and bitter, making him an odd, but likeable mix between Findan and Dirty Harry. (You would have been the same if you saw the love of your life tortured and slain by bandits). Kivan is very distrustfull of the Forces of Law, and wants to take matters into his hands - And Slay the Half-Ogre Tazok, who killed his mate. There's no time limit to this quest, as Tazok can only be slain in the final battle of the game.
Interaction-wise, Kivan get's along with all other Good-Aligned NPCs (especially Khalid). He also gets along well with Branwen and Jaheira, who both act and behave like Neutral Good Characters. (despite their True Neutral alignment). Kivan however does NOT get along with the Drow Cleric Viconia, as Surface Elfs and Dark Elves are sworn enemies. Things might get bloody before you realize it.
Game-playwise, He's a very good Archer, being only Second to Coran on the Archery Department. (Elves get a racial bonus when using bows)Equip the Bracers of Archery and Composite Long Bows +1 on him for some cheesy overkill. (Arrows of Detonation are also particularly nasty) When I played my last game, Kivan's kill count was around 350... go figure. His Strength is also very high, allowing him to do heavy damage in melee. His Constitution is average, making him quite fragile however. Make sure he's out of harm's way when he runs out of arrows! His Specialization in Spears/Halberds will keep him one tile away from enemies, allowing him to strike sooner and/or not the be attacked at all (The AI always attacks the closest Target). He's definately on a par with other Physical characters, like Minsc and Ajantis.
Tip: Kivan's Subquest triggers a funny bug for as long as it isn't completed. . Whenever you throw Kivan out of your party, and leave the screen, his inventory, colours, everything except Experience, will be reset to default. This could give you a big load of free equipment (Spears and Composite Long Bows) if you continuously kick him out, leave, return, re-hire him, strip him, and repeat the whole process
FALDORN
"Nature is all, and I am one with Nature."
Gender: Female
Race: Human
Class: Druid
Alignment: True Neutral
Abilities: STR 12, DEX 15, CON 11, INT 10, WIS 16, CHA 15
Where to be found: Druid Grove in the Cloakwood Forest.
Comments: Faldorn is arguably the worst NPC in the whole Game. There are several reasons for this: Firstly, she's a Druid, meaning that she has a VERY Limited Spell Selection, and mind you: these spells are WORSE of those than a Cleric. In addition, Druids cannot wear better Armor than Studded Leather and are limited possibly the worst Weapon selection ever: Clubs, Slings, Darts, Quarterstaffs, Daggers, Scimitars and Spears. None of the above weapons do much damage, or have no or one special magic equivalent. This leads to the unmistakable fact that Druids NEED a High Dexterity AND Constitution(to counter their low AC), And at least a Good Strength to do at least a tiny bit of damage. But does Faldorn as these stats, which NEED to be higher than her "Primary" Statts, Wisdom and Charisma? Alas, which leads to the second reason: Faldorn probably has the worse statts of any NPC. An insignificant Strength, A Moderate Dexterity, LOW Constitution... that's bad, that's just horrid. Even Charisma is on the lowest possible value! Wisdom is decent, but why have good Wisdom if you lack good spells, and are simply forced to end up with 5X Cure Light Wounds and 5X Slow Poison? Jeezus!
Only redeeming factor is that she can summon 1 Dread Wolf a day. Great, that's a free Monster Summoning I to counter all her defects. Unfortunately, that's not even the full story.
Game-playwise, her demeanor is suprisingly mellow and laid-back, except you have that other druid in your party... Jaheira. She and Faldorn vehemently dissagree with their respective visions of Nature. Faldorn's Purist Nature Vision vs Jaheira's Mainstream view, which includes coexistance with nature. Thus, should you approach Faldorn with Jaheira in your party, she will attack. (was wil all other druids in the area) (well, good riddance, I say). Jaheira herself, being only an average NPC, is TONS better than Faldorn. She Maybe gets 2 Level Two Spells (read: Slow Poison spells) less, but atleast she can wear Plate Mail, and specialize in her weapons. Besides, her stats are superior as well.
Conclusion: Get Faldorn, let her cast "Call Lightning" on herself and keep those fingers crossed that she dies for good, and never bothers you again. (or dump her inside the cloakwood mines, and then flood the place, it has the same effect)
More and on their way, but currently, I'm getting a bit tired.
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posted June 05, 2009 09:21 AM |
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I've started Icewind Dale. Phew, I entirely forgot just how much 2nd edition sucks. The idiotic race/class restrictions in it really makes you appreciate the newer editions. Still, the older PC RPG's have a charm to them that the Neverwinter's don't have. I'm almost finished going through the Vale of Shadows.
@Lexxan: Plus, Faldorn has the dumbest portrait you could ever imagine. I wouldn't use her if she was the best character in the game.
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posted June 05, 2009 09:39 AM |
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Icewind dale.. idk, everytime I tried playing it, something ate me from the inside. I hate that game.
As for BG1 and NPCs: they have something in common, they suck. Also the BG2 ones: Horrible stat distribution makes them vastly inferior to a team made in multiplayer and imported. Sure such team is silent, but you can eventually edit the proffessions and stats of NPCs to make them desirable.
Seriously, the only interesting character in BG2 is Edwin, and that's only because his amulet, which makes him the more interesting choice than every other mage in this game,including self-made. The others suffer so much from horrible stat placement it's not even funny. Fortunately you can fix it with enchanted items (gloves/belts of str are mandatory...)
And the game is easiest if you play alone. Solo char is such power it's not even funny.
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posted June 05, 2009 09:56 AM |
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I don't see why you would care so much about the NPC builds. If every character was crafted like your main, the game would be boringly easy. You could up the difficulty rating, but then what would be the relative difference? Nothing. I've found all the dialogues to be at least moderately enjoyable. Although I guess everybody gets something different out of the game.
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posted June 05, 2009 10:16 AM |
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I'm a powergamer.
The dialogues no longer matter if you've already seen them 200 times, you know. From that point it's either convenient playing (which means solo) or power playing (which means the strongest party I can ever imagine.)
oh, and the game being easy with good party means it hasn't been balanced too well..
And it hasn't been, too. Without difficulty mods it's ultra easy.
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posted June 05, 2009 10:24 AM |
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I saw all the dialogues once, so I can't relate (I never replay RPG's).
I played through on standard difficulty and I found it decently challenging, and I know I'm not an incompetent player even though sometimes I can get lazy as I hack through the monsters. Are you saying the game is too easy once you custom build your party? I can see that, but then again the campaign is designed for you to use the NPC characters, not your personally crafted party, and the NPC party is what Black Isle would care about. Only a small minority of players would take the game as far as you do.
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posted June 05, 2009 10:33 AM |
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The game is too easy when you play it with a single character. Party is an overkill.  And custom party? That's total epic overkill. But hey, I want power.
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posted June 05, 2009 10:36 AM |
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I haven't played Solo, but imo it seems boring in comparisson to a full party.
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posted June 05, 2009 10:43 AM |
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not if you play solo sorcerer. It's fun and strategic. Fighter/mage or kensai/mage is also sex.
Playing solo monk is uber easy, but pretty boring, yeah.
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posted June 05, 2009 03:19 PM |
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Edited by Lexxan at 15:20, 05 Jun 2009.
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I'm currently doing Kensai/Mage...
but in a party... and I like it ^^
18 Damage per hit... and he hits often + Staff of the Mage => Pure Cheese.
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posted June 05, 2009 03:41 PM |
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Better get Axe of the unyielding + Scarlet ninja-to 
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posted June 06, 2009 11:15 PM |
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Got bored of BG2... switched to Baldur's gate 1 again...
Now playing as Sol, a Neutral Evil Thief, Str: 14 Dex: 18 Con: 16 Int: 9 Wis: 17 Cha: 16
Dual-Classed him into a Cleric at level 5, currently almost at level 3.
Party with Edwin, Shar-Teel (Dualled into a Thief at level 4), Kagain, Xzar (killed Montaron) and, of course, Vicky
Original plan was to dump Shar-Teel and go for Eldoth and Skie Instead... but then i realized how abyssmal Eldoth is, and that Skie is nothing more than average. (jack-of-all-trades, but a misstress of none)
So I just got Xzar (without Monty), And Dualled Shar-Teel. I'll try Eldoth/Skie on another day.
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