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RedSoxFan3
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posted March 02, 2009 05:18 AM

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yeah, but most of the guides focus too much on last hitting/denying. it's not that important for a newbie.

And most people forget it is a team game. You can get lots of kills if you pair yourself with a proper character. Ezalor/Zeus, or Mirana/Earthshaker, for example.

Oh, and the ultimate tip, unless you're Nerubian Assassin or Oblivion, do NOT get dagon. period.
Dagon is pretty good on Tinker.
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Nikita
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Meepo is underrated
posted March 02, 2009 06:56 AM
Edited by Nikita at 23:56, 02 Mar 2009.

Finnaly my favorite game been discussed.Last hitting and denying is most importnat in beginning.Some facts about it are that LH will give you gold and xp and denying will prevent enemy from having it and most important keep the lane in balance.For example if you are playing with any orb-walker or harraser,lets take Draw Ranger against some melee guy,the only thing he can do is run around in circles and expect for some XP.So he isnt getting any of you mobs killed,maybe 1 or 2 sometimes.And you are last hitting his.This makes the whole line up unfair and your mobs proceed closer and closer to his tower making it easier  for him and harder for you.
Aghan so far is been great on Obsidian and Ogre Magi,just great to see him Multicast a lot more in team fights

Ill try to post some more info on here.If anyone needs any hero to be discussed tell me.

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posted March 02, 2009 12:48 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 12:49, 02 Mar 2009.

I thought multicast doesn't work with items.

Tinker is my new love. That guy is sick. Early game he has complete mid lane dominance, a bit later he is instant death to any hero that is below 60% HP. Then, with BoT, he becomes the ultimate farmer with march refresh march teleport. Late game, he can even become a carry.

He's just pure joy. In pubs, dagon may be indeed a fun addition to him. laser dagon rocket BAM m-m-m-m-monster kill I'd rather go for Shivas any time a week in a serious game, though.

As for last hitting, if you're bad at it, go jungle. Nobody harasses you there and all the creeps are yours. Especially good for terrorblade and naix.
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posted March 02, 2009 02:37 PM
Edited by mamgaeater at 15:30, 02 Mar 2009.

DoTA, ahh good memories... too bad half of the people who play seriously are way too serious...
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posted March 02, 2009 02:56 PM

Indeed, either too serius or not serius enough. As with most games.
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Nikita
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Meepo is underrated
posted March 03, 2009 12:07 AM

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I thought multicast doesn't work with items.


If you you mean that it is Orb Effect and it doesnt stack with others,then no.Ogre doesnt have any Orb Effects.And Aghan is best for him,increasing % to do some spells multiple times in row.Sometimes you can even kill a hero from 1 attack.Fireblast him(275dmg)and then if Mulitcast will take effect he is dead(depends on HP).
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posted March 03, 2009 02:38 AM
Edited by RedSoxFan3 at 03:01, 03 Mar 2009.

With Agahnim's Scepter increases your multicast total by 1 and increases its chances by 10%.

With LVL 3 Multicast and Scepter, you get 30% chance to multicast and your fireblast hits 5 times instead of 4.

Long term damage increase:

First let's look at LVL 3 Multicast.

80%(chance to normal cast) * 375(LVL 4 Fireblast) + 20%(chance to Multicast) * 375 * 4 = 600 avg damage per cast

Now look at Multicast w/ Scepter

70% * 375 + 30% * 375 * 5 = 825 avg damage per cast
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Now let's look at raw damage after 25% resistance from a multicast.

375 * 4 = 1500 before magic resistance
1500 * 0.75 = 1125 after resistance (This happens once every 5 casts)

375 * 5 = 1875 before MR
1875 * 0.75 = 1406 after resistance

Pretty much whenever you multicast, you're gonna get a kill. So think of it as 50% more kills plus an extra 300 damage to your already broken nuke.
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Nikita
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Meepo is underrated
posted March 03, 2009 04:06 AM
Edited by Nikita at 04:09, 03 Mar 2009.

Yes and now look at a team battle of say 4v4 or 5v5.Multicast Ignite or Bloodlust and your team is unstoppable.

Here are some Basic formulas you might consider while playing:
1.Formula for required EXP to gain level
50(k-1)(k+2)
where k is regard as hero level
2.Formula for EXP gain for Hero kills
100(k-2)
where k is regard as hero level and k must be equal or greater than 5
3.Formula for EXP gain for Creep, Tower, and Summoned unit kill
2.5k2+ 8.5k+14
where k is taken as level of Creep, Tower, Summoned unit.
4.Gold losses on Death
It is simple. Formula is...
30*k
where k is taken as hero level.
5.Delayed time to respawn after death
Formula is...
k*4
where k is hero’s level      
6.For HP, formula is
k(19)+150+extra point from item(eg. soul booster)
where k is regard as Str point.
7.For Mana pool, formula is
k(13)+extra point from item (eg. soul booster)
where k is regard as Int point.
8.Evasion
1-( 1-A ) * ( 1-B ) * ( 1-C ) *…… = Total evasion (i.e., chance to miss)
9.Critical/Bash
1-( 1-A ) * ( 1-B ) * ( 1-C ) * …… = Chance to trigger Critical / Bash


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posted March 03, 2009 10:52 AM
Edited by Doomforge at 10:53, 03 Mar 2009.

NiKitA: I meant that multicast won't happen on dagon's burst attack

As for Ogre Magi, don't forget his absolutely crappy farming, which leaves him poorly equipped compared to others. He's also very easy to harass early and very dependent on luck to trigger.

also, fireblast does 275 damage, not 375.

As for bash, since 6.59 bash no longer stacks in a diminishing way. Reworked basher does not work with bash skill and doesn't work with another basher.
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Nikita
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Meepo is underrated
posted March 04, 2009 01:35 AM

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Fireblast him(275dmg)and then if Mulitcast will

i said it was 375 ?
Bashes are not as good in this Dota as they were back then,and they dont stick,just each one of them will have its chance.
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posted March 04, 2009 10:26 AM
Edited by Doomforge at 10:27, 04 Mar 2009.

Nope, but RSF said 375

also, pre-6.59 basher sucked, and was considered strictly pub item. Now I've even seen it once or twice in a pro game
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Nikita
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Meepo is underrated
posted March 05, 2009 01:12 AM

lol yeah i remember in 48b i(and lots of others in pub) used to get Basher for almost every hero,especially Jah'rakal,but times have gone better.
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posted March 05, 2009 04:26 AM

Anyone here play on US East?
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posted March 05, 2009 10:10 AM

Most of DotA community is concentrated at GArena. ~200 000 players every day.

The biggest problem in pub games there are of course leavers. But it's the same on bnet.

And the pings are usually excellent.
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posted March 09, 2009 09:36 AM

GArena? where is that?
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posted March 09, 2009 09:54 AM

http://www.garena.com/

It's not only a dota platform, btw. And it's good. Try it
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posted March 24, 2009 09:43 PM

phantom assassin is the funnest hero to play. early game sucks but once you hit level 16 you are unstoppable. bradwarren also rocks  

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posted March 24, 2009 10:08 PM

Mortred? nah, pub stuff. In a serious game nobody would ever pick Mortred.
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posted March 24, 2009 10:17 PM

I don't completely remember so give me wisdom o' wise one!

What is the damage ratio for Feedback and what is the highest item with the effect? And how much mana burn is it on that?
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posted March 24, 2009 10:23 PM

Manta style. If I remember correctly it's 40 mana burned, and for every point of mana burned it does 1 point of damage. manaburn is physical, so 40 dam is reduced by armor, afaik.

Illusions also burn mana, and manta conveniently provides ability to create 2 illusions.
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