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Cleave
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posted April 14, 2008 05:47 PM |
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Yes! That's the spirit! 
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Arxur
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posted April 16, 2008 11:54 AM |
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Edited by Arxur at 11:59, 16 Apr 2008.
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We finished the the first round with the demons, so it's time to announce all winners and losers... 
We replayed every battle until one hero had 2 victories to leave no doubt in his/her victory. So in worst case scenario there were 3 battles between 2 heroes.
Let's see:
Grawl VS Deleb:
Since Grawl starts with advanced destruction magic I wanted to teach him cold death to eliminate Deleb's ballista with a single spell. However, in the mage guild wasn't any cold based spells so my only chance was to get from secret's of destruiction. But he only learned e.arrow from it... ^^ With huts teach him enlightenment, I hoped he gets some bonus spell power, but he didn't. He ended having meteor shower with only 5 sp.
Everyone's favourite hero, Deleb, was as powerful as always. Having high chances to win against Grawl.
And of course she won. But she had only 5 succubus in the end. Grawl's Fiery Wrath coused pretty good damage but they have very low chance to win against the crazy ballista. In the second replay Deleb destroyed the dogs first with the ballista, so she won the 2 round too...
Jezebeth VS Nymus
Maybe Jezebeth used temptation on me because I quickly came to like her. She ruled the whole map with a single lv 2 ice spell. She got +4 magic power from arties and +2 from arcane brilliance. And since she learned it teach her warlock's luck too. With the everlasting ice artie she coused good damage.
I have never seen a level 15+ hero with 0 defense. Now I had.^^ And from now I'll consider to choose +1/+2 defense from bonus places. At least with demons. He learned sorcery from a witch hut and than we give him soulfire. I guess the damage coused by this explosion should be risen or they should make trigger more times.
To tell the truth, Jezebeth ruled this battle. She killed almost the whole army of Nymus before his gated troops arrived. Due to Nymus 0 defense, his army died quickly and stand no chance against Jezebeth's. I think Nymus's special abilry is great but is rather useless against very agile enemies like sylvan armies or barbarian's.
It's really a pity that he ended up against Jezebeth, I liked him very much. 
Nebiros VS Alastor
I think both of their special is a joke. ^^ Well, Nebiros had a very hard time in the early game. Lost lots of troops and these losses affected the late game results as well. He learned light magic with master of wrath and he was lucky enough to get the mass haste and mass righteous might. His biggest problem was his very small army.
Alastor had a very storng start due to the awsomeness of the confusion spell. Shooters coused smaller problems than close-combat troops. He had mass weakness, mass suffering, mass confusion and mass vulnerability. Vampirismus also made his life easier. 
This fight was the batlle of the mass spells. They casted one spell after another. So Nebiros's troops ended up both buffed and weakend. If Nebiros had a bit more troops he could have won, but hes troops died earlier than Alastor's troops.
So we will see only Alastor in the next round.
Marbas VS Grok
Marbas has a great special, but was rather useless in this game, since there was no very powerful spell casters. I have not musch to say about him. He was an ordinary inferno hero, he onla had mass endurance and regeneration from light magic.
Grok is one of the most liked heroes too. His starting teleport spell is very good. He managed to learn leadership, but got snatch from witch huts instead of teleport assault. I'll have to memory mentor him as soon as I can. Grok had high status because of the arties. He was lucky to get these good one's.
Since Grok was "faster" he built bigger army than Marbas, so Marbas stand little chance against him. The Mass Endurance spell helepd Marbas's army a lot, but was not enough against Grok.
Again: both of them were good heroes, but one of them must had to fail.
If you want to see the replays download them from here: demonlords.rar - 0.64MB
Please leave a comment.
Next time:
The 8 Necromancers!!!
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Cleave
Promising
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Raging Blood
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posted April 16, 2008 01:43 PM |
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Nice update. Good for variety with Destructive, Dark and Light. Still no Summoning though.
Can't wait for the Necromancers. Let's get ready to rumble!
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arxur
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 16, 2008 02:03 PM |
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Summoning Magic was offered for Nebiros, but he already had light magic. I really wanted to choose it, but I didn't wanted to ruin Nebiros chances to win. He was always in a sticky situation. 
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arxur
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 16, 2008 08:30 PM |
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Not too much post for the Demon Lords.
Come on... Say something. Is the result what you expected...? Do you think an other hero should have won or something?
Do you think some kind of other tactics would have been better for the hero's speciality...?
Or can you guess which necro heroes will win next time?
Say something please.
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Cleave
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Raging Blood
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posted April 16, 2008 10:22 PM |
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Or can you guess which necro heroes will win next time?
I'd wager Zoltan will be the big winner. Just don't give him Light Magic (although Mass Haste and Mass Righteous Might would be kinda funny).
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Hartza
Known Hero
watchout graveyards!
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posted April 17, 2008 11:40 AM |
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Nice tread! I think that winners of the necros are: Zoltan, Nadir, Raven and Kaspar
Zoltan:
Spellblock is a good way countering other necromancers spells.
Nadir:
He have easy creeping because he can get good creeping spells(phoenix, mass decay) very fast and thats way he gets fast exp.
Raven:
Destrutive is good at early/mid game at creeping and against necromancers. Can learn high lvl dest spells from secret of dest. Her speciality is also good.
Kaspar:
Tent speciality means minimal losses at early games and he can learn fast triple ballista making his early game creeping easy. Necros have high chance getting attack so there is good chance to get flaming arrows.
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carcity
Supreme Hero
Blind Sage
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posted April 17, 2008 08:25 PM |
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Nice tread! I think that winners of the necros are: Zoltan, Nadir, Raven and Kaspar
Zoltan:
Spellblock is a good way countering other necromancers spells.
Nadir:
He have easy creeping because he can get good creeping spells(phoenix, mass decay) very fast and thats way he gets fast exp.
Raven:
Destrutive is good at early/mid game at creeping and against necromancers. Can learn high lvl dest spells from secret of dest. Her speciality is also good.
Kaspar:
Tent speciality means minimal losses at early games and he can learn fast triple ballista making his early game creeping easy. Necros have high chance getting attack so there is good chance to get flaming arrows.
this means but zoltan vs naadir and kaspar vs raven. and nice work with the infernos.
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HartZa
Known Hero
watchout graveyards!
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posted April 18, 2008 01:41 PM |
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Arxur, when the next round is coming? Cant wait to see. Wonder who would be the ultimate winner.
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arxur
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posted April 18, 2008 08:20 PM |
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Somtime in the weekend.
Can't say for sure. But we will try to hurry.
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carcity
Supreme Hero
Blind Sage
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posted April 19, 2008 05:09 PM |
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good work with the infernos. but why did you have to put grawl against deled. i wanted grawl to go on to the next round. and you better make vladimir win in the next round.
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arxur
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 19, 2008 08:30 PM |
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We choose the heroes in their original following order. Deleb comes right after Grawl, so they ended up in the same island. If we would put good hereos against bad heroes it would ruin the whole thing.
And where is the fun in that?
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HartZa
Known Hero
watchout graveyards!
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posted April 20, 2008 12:17 AM |
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In deed. You´re right. How´s the next round going?
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arxur
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posted April 20, 2008 08:56 PM |
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Well, we couldn't finish today, so we will be able to finish the game on Wednesday.
Sorry for waiting...
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HartZa
Known Hero
watchout graveyards!
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posted April 21, 2008 08:39 PM |
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ok. Hopefully we´ll see the results then
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nurul
Disgraceful
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 21, 2008 09:34 PM |
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I think Kaspar will be the winner
He's my favourite
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Arxur
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 24, 2008 03:48 PM |
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Edited by Arxur at 21:54, 24 Apr 2008.
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We were finally able to finish the game. Sorry for waiting so much!
Orson VS Lucretia
The zombie master. Maybe he is the only "might" hero in the necromancer family,(expect Kaspar) because he is the only who does not start with any magic school or enlightenment. Since dark magic is rather useless against his own race, I gave him summoning magic and he learned summon phoenix right before the finale combat.
Lucretia wasn't so lucky with summoning magic, because she only learned bee swarm and summon hive. She was rather a might hero with expert attack and frenzy. Mass haste gave her an extra boost against the zombies. And sorcery ALWAYS comes in handy.
These 2 heroes are both specialized for creatures. And if I ask which creature is the best, I'm sure that the answer is vampirs and not zombies... And this fact also decided the result of the combat. Orson's zombies were strong but extremly slow, so totally useless. (Maybe he should boost their initiative too...?) Lucretia destroyed 2 phoenixes with 2 single fire trap spell, so even summoning magic did not help Orson...
Raven VS Zoltan
Raven's special skill isn't that good. It saves only one turn in a battle. (You don't have to cast mass vulnerability.) Destructive magic made her strong. She started with phoenix cape, but she didn't had any fire based spells. So she was running around with ice bolt instead. "And sorcery ALWAYS comes in handy."
Ahh... My personal favourite hero in this game. He was the "fallen-light magic" hero. Thanx to the Arcane Intuition he learned righteous might from angels, divine strength and endurance from mage guild. Refined mana made his liches to cast 4 times raise dead in one battle. He got logistic twice from with hut so he learned swift mind too.
I recommend you to watch this battle. It VERY close. Zoltan just couldn't block Raven's ice spell, so his army suffered high damage. Since Raven's army was bigger she had much better chances, but due to the light magic, Zoltan's troops did very big amount of damage. But Zoltan... He lost...
Kaspar VS Deirdre
Kaspar's first aid tent bonus isn't so good, since the first aid tent can act only several times. However it makes early game creeping very easy. I missed flaming arrows, because he got power of haste from the first witch hut and just before the finale battle he learned leadership from the second with hut. LOL! Don't worry. We will make him forget leadership, no matter what it costs.
Deirdre's special was useless in this game. And he also starts with dark magic. Not much use too... Can't say much about her. Her starting skills just didn't fit in this situation. And she had to fight against the great Kaspar... Poor Deirdre...
The winner was: DEIRDRE!!! Hehe... Of course, this was just a joke. She didn't stand a chance against Kaspar. No more comment to this fight.
Vladimir VS Naadir
I think Vladimir's special is overvalued. At level 20 he gets only +4 magic power when casting raise dead. Since necromancers have very high magic power, this extra 4 bonus doesn't help too much. His key creature was the skeleton archers. I killed all neutrals almost with skeleton archers and some zombies. He is very good at early game creeping.
One hero that starts with 2 magic schools. Just like Raven. I think 1 magic school is far enough for one hero, sine there won't be so much time to cast hundreds of different spells. You need only one very good spell. And that is usually enough. His special is interesting but very limited. The amount of ghosts summoned is very low. Ans is rather useless during the creeping. Maybe he should just increase the defence and attack rate of ghosts... Like Orson or Lucretia.
In this battle only one spell was used: raise dead. To tell the truth Naadir resurrected almost 200 skeleton archers and Vladimir only 99. (Wasn't Vladimir the Reanimator...? If you don't believe me, see for yourself in the replay.) Due to the expert attack, Vladimir won the battle. (Not because of his special...)
Feel free to leave any comment.
You can download the replays from here: replays.rar - 0.73MB
Next time:
The 8 Rangers!!!
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted April 24, 2008 04:03 PM |
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I think this whole project is interesting, but can't help think it would be much more useful if all Heroes had similar conditions - not necessarily identical armies, but if a map was made which was symmetrical between the two opponents. One can discuss whether one wants COMPLETE symmetry (like: Both factions have Master Gremlins in front of Wood Mine, Squires in front of Crystal Mine, etc.) or just random symmetry (like: Both factions have random level 1 creature in front of Wood Mine, random level 3 creature in front of Crystal Mine). The same goes for available resources - and Artifacts!! I think, if such a test environment was made, the results would be a lot more comparable. There would still be differences, but would remove some of the randomness (one person has Arcane Archers in front of the very important Mercury Mine, the other has sluggy Squires, to give an example).
Still: Good work with the testing! 
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Cleave
Promising
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Raging Blood
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posted April 24, 2008 04:58 PM |
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Edited by Cleave at 17:03, 24 Apr 2008.
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Ahh... My personal favourite hero in this game. He was the "fallen-light magic" hero.
Too bad he lost. Really.
So which faction is next?
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alcibiades
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of Gold Dragons
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posted April 24, 2008 07:49 PM |
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So which faction is next?
Read the last line ...
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