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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted April 20, 2008 05:37 PM |
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Gotta love Angel, a wonderful show.
Way better than Buffy except that Angel lacks Willow which kinda balances the whole thing out. It had Kate but she quit, so blah.
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del_diablo
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posted April 20, 2008 05:59 PM |
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Orcs: Will defend theyr case to last man standing, unless it migth hurt the case.
Necro: Accept "For the greater good" philosofi, just look at Arantir. He wanted to kill a city to free the world of the worst demon ever! Sareth was a idiot anyway 
Demons: Since its Ubisoft in charge, they are evil. I miss the old story 
Dungon: Slaves and praying to lord of chaos? 2nd most evil But boring faction.....
Anyway......... the problem is the story that Ubisoft made, way too much "good wins over evil" and cliches...... blah!
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sith_of_ziost
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posted April 20, 2008 06:05 PM |
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the meaning was true. In everything he did, he believed himself to be just and doing it for the good of all men and Elrath.
"An excessively fanatical priest of Elrath with delusions of grandeur, Alaric was easily seduced by Biara-as-Isabel and her promises of power and glory."
Doesn't sound particularly good or just to me, more like selfish and gullible.
He did not know that Biara was Isabel. He thought he was just finally getting a chance. Its called ambition, a part of every human.
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Alaric and Biara... Hmm, they all fight for what they think is right, although Alaric is/was suffering under delusions. I'd like to call them U.O.P.M.R.P,
"Unaffected by Other Peoples' Moral Restrictions Persons"
That means that for example, Sylvan can look at Alaric and think: "Booo! He's killing innocent persons, that breaks our moral standards!" While inferno can look at him and think: "Hey wonderful job, keep up the good work pal!"
Thanks for the support. Its point of view.
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Cepheus
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posted April 20, 2008 06:11 PM |
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He did not know that Biara was Isabel. He thought he was just finally getting a chance. Its called ambition, a part of every human.
Sure. How strange that Godric, Freyda, Caldwell, Randall, Duncan etc did not fall for the thinly-veiled ruse. Alaric may not have known it was a demon he served but he had no qualms about burning numerous innocent people to death throughout the campaign, that's hardly something you can just write off as serving his god even if they are suspected to be demons in disguise.
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sith_of_ziost
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posted April 20, 2008 06:18 PM |
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Its called fanaticism. He dared not challenge someone he thought so devoted. He refused to stir on thoughts that led him to suspect a pretender as Isabel. He was blinded by ambition and belief, as many are.
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Cepheus
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posted April 20, 2008 06:21 PM |
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And in this he represents the worst aspects of the Haven faction... which is the point I've been making since the beginning 
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Daystar
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posted April 20, 2008 07:08 PM |
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Way better than Buffy
I hope that none of your HVI wishes come true. *angsts in the dark*
Also, were the Kreegans good guys in HNWC, or at least not Evil?
Secondarily, we have evil and good from most factions, but what about Sylvan? I can't think of any badguys.
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Cepheus
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posted April 20, 2008 07:24 PM |
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Not particularly good, I'd say. You realise they're the Heroes III Inferno faction...
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Melian, MM7:
"Though my memory has been damaged by Archibald, I can still remember the danger that our ancient enemy, the Kreegan, pose to our world. The Kreegan first appeared roughly 1500 years ago, attacking outlying colonies and stealing their resources. It was thought at the time they simply needed certain minerals, and could be reasoned with, but this was not the case. Their life cycle forces them to breed until the world cannot support their numbers, then they send ships off to other worlds to renew the cycle."
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Catherine, Heroes III:
"Beyond these walls lies the dread land of Eeofol, a land of tremendous volcanic rifts and prodigious lava flows. Demons of all types and forms patrol the land, a land once fertile and green and populated by a peaceful race of little people called Halflings. That was until the Night of Shooting Stars when the Kreegans came. Now all that is left of their race is a few pocket villages. The demons scattered them to the four winds and turned them into an embittered people with little hope and no place to truly call home."
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Tarnum, Heroes Chronicles:
"These Demons believed in nothing but destruction. Honor meant nothing to them. Wherever they went, I imagined Skizzik's kind turning every world into a copy of this Fiery Moon.
And my world was certainly next. Vorr's appetite for destruction was incredible - perhaps greater even than a Demon's - and now he has attracted these Demons to my world."
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Xeron, Heroes III:
"Are you that which I seek human?"
Sleen looks a bit nervous, but bows deeply and replied "I am he, Judge Sleen, Master Sage and Arcane Historian."
"Tell me all you know of the three Conflux heroes who have eluded me so these many weeks. I shall know that which you know or I shall rip your heart from your breast and have myself a little snack."
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Kastore, MM7:
"The Kreegan, also known as the Devils, share this world with us. The only reason we're sharing is because they are weak right now. If they ever get strong, they will try to kill every person in the world."
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Tarnum, Heroes Chronicles:
"Skizzik has been telling stories of his 'former life' so I can get to know my enemy better. These Demons are perfect allies for the Mad Ancestor, Vorr. Both are thrilled by destruction. And now as I march across this bleak world, I wonder what it used to look like. What beauty has been crumbled beneath the hooves of these Demons?"
Such nice chaps.
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carcity
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posted April 20, 2008 09:01 PM |
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About Alaric: His actions were evil, but I don't think he was purely EVIL. If there's like a scale of 1 to 10 where Ghandi is 1 and Urgash is 10, he's like a 6 or a 7.
if Urgash is number 10 then if alaric is number 7 i would call him evil. most people that is concidered evil would be 5 or something. even biara would only be concidered an 8 here.
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TheDeath
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posted April 20, 2008 09:08 PM |
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Hmm, 5 should mean neutral... 
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted April 20, 2008 10:00 PM |
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Way better than Buffy
I hope that none of your HVI wishes come true. *angsts in the dark*
I prefer it's darker atmosphere over BtS's lighter, almost comedic, style.
Angel doesn't have any season that sucked either. I mean, come on. A secret goverment agency studying demons and an ambitious scientist building a golem, I wonder, what could go wrong?
That's like the ultimate cliche. It's a good season in developing the characters though.
That said there are BtS Seasons 2 and 3 that were simply awesome. Buffy also has some lovely disturbing episodes like "Normal again"(s6 ep.17) which has the best ending of any episode in a tv show this far.
Then there's Willow. I don't really know what to say about her so I'll just call her amazing.
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Also, were the Kreegans good guys in HNWC, or at least not Evil?
Secondarily, we have evil and good from most factions, but what about Sylvan? I can't think of any badguys.
Kreegans were, are and will always be evil. They are demons after all.
How about Arniel? I think he is pretty much the worst one can find from Sylvan. After all he did let Tuidhana's elves suffer before sending forces and when he did he did it only for his own good.
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Cepheus
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posted April 20, 2008 11:37 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 23:41, 20 Apr 2008.
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They are demons after all.
Actually, no they're not. Demons in HC-NWC are a seperate race altogether.
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nurul
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posted April 21, 2008 04:39 AM |
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i think undead is the real evil, they have no morality
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Daystar
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posted April 21, 2008 06:00 AM |
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Such nice chaps.
Sorry, I misinterperted something you said.
And I really don't think the Undead are evil. People interperet death as evil, so anything related to them must ofcourse be evil. They're more like robots really. And all they want to do is survive, continue their culture. Bringing the dead back is fine unless a Necromonger go "Harvesting" from the living.
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Cepheus
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posted April 21, 2008 04:58 PM |
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It's not fine to enslave someone's soul to your own cause against their will. Undeath is more of a cursed existence than just another way of life so it's understandable that other factions despise it.
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carcity
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posted April 21, 2008 06:18 PM |
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the necromancers only want to live longer and get rid of those nasty demons. after all all necromancer heroes (except markal) are undead.
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Cepheus
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posted April 21, 2008 06:26 PM |
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Arantir, Zoltan, Raven and Ornella aren't. Also you are wrong, Markal certainly wanted to live longer but obviously just getting rid of demons wasn't at the top of his agenda.
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nurul
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posted April 21, 2008 09:42 PM |
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Necros are not robots. they want to turn all living creature to be undead. Grr
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DagothGares
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No gods or kings
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posted April 22, 2008 12:04 AM |
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Damn, how come I didn't see this post? Ow, well... I just want to say that some of us covered a bit of this in the "heroes V faction lessons" thread. Also, about ppl playing evil: (yes, there was actual psychological research) Ppl generally play evil cuz they are really nice and friendly guys in real life(usually not genuine, more like the guys you walk over) and they can release the suppressive feelings here, without any fear of consequence . I have to admit, this was actually 'bout mmorpg's and not homm, but there is a parallel. (My friends who play WoW always complain the undead guys are jerks) I have to say that from my personnel experience, I always play necro and I consider myself a nice guy, even on the web. Just one more thing 'bout evil characters, I don't care whether ur good or evil, just have a nice background or be something I could relate to.(my favorite villain ever: Illidan; favorite hero: Godric)
And one more thing (I know, but this is the last thing I'll say, seriously) I listen to hardrock and u shouldn't get it confused with metal(hardrock actually has rhythm and lyrics who make sense)
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sith_of_ziost
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posted April 22, 2008 01:37 AM |
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In Defense of the Necromancers
There are two parts to this argument.
PART 1: The Necromancers - They can be either evil or not. Yes, several were humans, but they gave their lives to Asha willingly. They thought they were serving a greater purpose. Asha, after all, was the one the formed all (Hence "Ashan"). However, the methods of the Necromancers are inescapably evil. Binding souls to eternal damnation is not my idea of generosity, so they are evil in their ways.
PART 2: Their God - Their god is inescapably good. Asha does what she does to preserve all of the living beings in existance. It just so happens that her children are the rebell Wizards turned servants of death. The final conclusion is that the Necromancers themselves are evil, but the intent of their god is good.
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