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Thread: Insanely Hard H5 Quiz [ This thread is 59 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 (56) 57 58 59 ]
Ebbafan
Ebbafan


Promising
Famous Hero
posted November 23, 2009 06:25 PM

that's right, i mean if your opponent has them.

i managed to get 8 heroes to 40th level, will try this for necro to see how many creatures can be raised/wk

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Ebbafan
Ebbafan


Promising
Famous Hero
posted November 25, 2009 02:39 AM
Edited by ebbafan at 02:40, 25 Nov 2009.

a new question for all: is it possible to effectively get all mass light spells while having the perk eternal light? (and no pristine unicorns please!)

if so, how?

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SKPRIMUS
SKPRIMUS


Promising
Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
posted November 25, 2009 09:25 AM

hmm...I'm not sure what you mean there...if you mean the skillwheel which excludes being able to choose all 3 masteries if one chooses eternal light?...then that would be interesting if hero can attain the missing mass spells other than mass haste/mass endurance...ah now I get it
Helmar getting MoA, MoB and PoS, at high enough level his auto mass RM will kick in can have all mass spells along with eternal light [hey that's a cool thought]
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Edwin_Yang
Edwin_Yang


Known Hero
posted November 25, 2009 01:36 PM

But there is still not 100% chance to cast righteous might.

Maybe MoW,MoB and the dwarven king's set would be a better idea,I guess.

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veco
veco


Legendary Hero
I know it's sudden
posted November 25, 2009 01:41 PM

SKprimus is right.
You need MoA to have Eternal Light so that's out of the question.
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Edwin_Yang
Edwin_Yang


Known Hero
posted November 25, 2009 01:46 PM

Gee,I have shamed myself.

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Ebbafan
Ebbafan


Promising
Famous Hero
posted November 25, 2009 03:02 PM

skprimus got it! granted its not perfect, but its as close as you'll get to it if you want eternal light.

i would like to point out for you duelists that helmar is absolutely great in battles between two light abusing heroes. he wins the mass cleansing wars because when he re-casts he gets 2 spells whereas the opponent only gets one.

it just ain't fair lol!

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Fauch
Fauch


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted November 25, 2009 04:57 PM

Helmar can cast righteous might by cleansing curses on his troops?

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Night_Heaven
Night_Heaven


Adventuring Hero
Lonely star in heaven dream
posted November 25, 2009 06:47 PM

Well...if the description is correct then yes he can cast it.Since cleansing is a light spell then (at least on paper) his ability can go off.

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Edwin_Yang
Edwin_Yang


Known Hero
posted November 26, 2009 02:54 AM

@Fauch.definitly , indeed Helmar is a broken hero in the late game.

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SKPRIMUS
SKPRIMUS


Promising
Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
posted November 28, 2009 01:45 AM
Edited by SKPRIMUS at 01:46, 28 Nov 2009.

Edwin_Yang wrote
Quote:
But there is still not 100% chance to cast righteous might...
um, according to manual 3.1, the chance is 20% + 3% per level so at 27th lvl => 100% altho you'll see it do all stacks before that level, plus after two mass spells, you'll see all units with them
ok I had to take time to think of question: here goes
Ebbafan mentioned that helmar wins cleansing wars between two light heros that each have mass cleansing...Please name a few situations where Helmar will NOT win such mass light with mass cleansing battles (assuming both heroes have at least 4 mass light spells)

As a bonus, (refer to replay here) {hopefully the participants in that battle won't have problem with me posting it}
Question: How does 7 archangels retaliate with luck on 27 pristines delivering 907dmg but then on the very next action, attack those pristines with luck & deliver 1030 dmg???

pristines had atk28 def33 with replay right-click showing exp atk/battle frenzy; exp def/vitality; adv leadership

archangels had atk43 def43 with replay right-click showing adv atk/battle frenzy; exp leadership
{no, I have no idea why, that's why this is insanely hard quiz}
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Ebbafan
Ebbafan


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Famous Hero
posted November 28, 2009 03:59 PM

@skprimus: i haven't kept up with the duel replays in a while. what map needs to be in the current folder to view your replays?

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SKPRIMUS
SKPRIMUS


Promising
Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
posted November 29, 2009 01:47 AM

um, Ebbafan, I can see replay fine without any other map or mod in folders (TotE v3.1 ofc), but if it's a problem maybe Elvin's latest duel map will help: Temple Duel 3.1.h5m availablehere in link just below the big picture

FYI: It is better to actually see the replay, but for those that can't see replay, the description I gave pretty much describes it (I hope!)...also other damage modifying perks you will have to figure out because not all perks are viewable by right-click during battle but one can deduce it from the skillwheel by the pre-requisites seen & damage done
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Hope defeats despair - "a blatant clue"
too many idiots in VW
"to lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose"
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Edwin_Yang
Edwin_Yang


Known Hero
posted November 29, 2009 10:18 AM

I watched the reply and did some calculation and...guess what i found? the retribution perk doesnt work when having retaliation. and i also found the haven had advanced counterstrike.

so when the archerangel retaliated on the unicorns they took 51 * 1.5 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 2 * 7 * 0.7 = 907 dam.

when they did a direct attack it was 51 * 1.5 * 1.1 * 1.25 * 2 * 7 * 0.7 = 1030.8 dam.

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SKPRIMUS
SKPRIMUS


Promising
Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
posted November 29, 2009 12:34 PM

oh myyou are right Sorry took some time to reply...I did some tests & proved it  Wonder who knew this  Means might with retribution needs to attack (well I knew they needed to attack anyway)  Edwin, you earn my respect
Any ideas on the original question on helmar?
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Hope defeats despair - "a blatant clue"
too many idiots in VW
"to lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose"
bashing orcus

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Ebbafan
Ebbafan


Promising
Famous Hero
posted November 30, 2009 12:35 AM

for your bonus question, i thought maybe the unicorns had an endurance spell that wore off or perhaps the angels were partly confused and had expert counterstrike, but none of these matched up exactly; hats off to edwin for that calculation

as for your original question, i think freyda would give problems to helmar because of free dv and also ylthin because her pristine unicorns are very powerful and obviously get all light bonuses.

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Fauch
Fauch


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted November 30, 2009 01:13 AM

helmar will not win against 7 stacks of archmages using cleansing? + the hero

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Edwin_Yang
Edwin_Yang


Known Hero
posted November 30, 2009 04:37 AM

true,freyda sounds reasonble.

and possiblely Zoltan getting some luck to block Helmar's mass clean, of course if Zoltan managed to get light spell.

Marbas also can do that with a incredible chance to resist the mass clean,and it is the same with those heroes having enternal light.

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SKPRIMUS
SKPRIMUS


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Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
posted November 30, 2009 11:16 AM

freeDV freyda, zoltan & marbas are very interesting hero-based solutions which I hadn't thought about (good how everyone thinks differently heh?)

@Fauch: multi-stacks of archmages/any creature with cleansing is a thought, but typically hero's spells are hard to dispell by creatures plus I was thinking bigger battle really
@Ebbafan: multi-stacks of Ylthin-boosted children of light, yeah great thought if those stacks were really more powerful split than together

My original thoughts were actually not based on specific heroes nor specific creatures (but eternal light I didn't know helped resist cleansing)
Marbas can be considered part of the high magic resistance solution which also includes perks like magic res/dwarven luck & artifacts like armor of forgotten hero/magic res boots etc...

Any more solutions?
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"to lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose"
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Edwin_Yang
Edwin_Yang


Known Hero
posted November 30, 2009 12:17 PM

well.hmm...how about distract with empathy combo?

I think that will make Helmar cannt buff his troops but keep cleaning.

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