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Macron1
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posted November 25, 2013 06:17 PM |
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Edited by Macron1 at 18:20, 25 Nov 2013.
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Hobbit said:
BTW, I thought you don't give a monkey's about balance, Macron. What happened? 
It still so.
I don't like when someone changes something in canonic parts of HMM3.
And this is the case. 3rd upgrades are cool, for example, but changing of standard things proved by years - is a heresy.
When something new is added- it's good. When something classic is changed it's a headache.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted November 25, 2013 06:23 PM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 18:27, 25 Nov 2013.
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It's the Hero profile ?
I think it's just photoshopped so that we can see better hero's skills, biography and army on one screen, but I don't really know.
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I don't like when someone changes something in canonic parts of HMM3.
It's the same "change of canonic parts" as it's in case of Sir Mullich - just a new hero playable on particular maps instead of old one. The difference here is that while Lord Haart was a pretty nice character and Sir Mullich is OP, Voy was useless on many maps and Kirkenia isn't that awesome - she just gains exp a little bit faster.
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Hippox89
Famous Hero
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posted November 25, 2013 06:39 PM |
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Edited by Hippox89 at 18:48, 25 Nov 2013.
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Hobbit said:
OxFEA said:
Afaik, it's 1.3 feature
Okay then, I wasn't sure.
Macron1 said:
These heroes are to make game less predictable: you can get useless hero or get cool spec hero.
When there's no water you won't choose someone with specialty in navigation anyway. Not that big deal really, and a new non-OP hero is always a pretty nice feature. About random heroes - is that really a good balance when there are two heroes who are either pretty neat or just worthless? I don't think so.
Even though it's not that big deal, I still like it. Although I'd rather see Voy with a better portrait.
BTW, I thought you don't give a monkey's about balance, Macron. What happened?
Well, I can see Macron1's point, actually. I can agree with both sides, though, in their own ways.
In many of the games that I've played, I've found myself forced to use a lesser hero in the start of the game, and sometimes these hero stick with me because I had them from the start.
The point is, a lot of the useless stuff in the game adds dynamic in its own way. It's also part of learning the game for new players. Like, attacking creatures for a useless artifacts. That's a mistake you can learn from. Or you just might get unlucky and get a lesser random artifacts when visiting a crept.
For comparative and more serious play, I can see why you might want to remove such randomness as a useless hero. But I don't think a Heroes game will ever be as clean-cut like, say, Counter Strike. Randomness is a big part of heroes, but I'm excited to see all the changes HotA will bring.
I do also see the attractiveness of fixing these things. It's a tough balance.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted November 25, 2013 06:46 PM |
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Macron1 said:
I don't like when someone changes something in canonic parts of HMM3.
And this is the case. 3rd upgrades are cool, for example, but changing of standard things proved by years - is a heresy.
When something new is added- it's good. When something classic is changed it's a headache.
You can always stop following HotA to avoid more headaches, you know - almost every mod change something of the game, one way or another.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted November 25, 2013 06:48 PM |
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The point is no hero is removed. It's just a new one which will be playable on most maps instead of the old one, even though the old one is not removed at all - like Lord Haart the knight e.g.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted November 25, 2013 07:11 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
You can always stop following HotA to avoid more headaches, you know - almost every mod change something of the game, one way or another.
To run away is a bad strategy. If not defend classic gameplay, new ugly "features" will come.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted November 25, 2013 07:22 PM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 19:23, 25 Nov 2013.
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...said someone who's adding tons of useless towns to the game...
Seriously though - you're trying to defend something that will not be removed at all. HotA isn't removing anything. What's the point of your defence? Just to attack HotA Crew? Seriously?
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted November 25, 2013 07:44 PM |
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Hobbit said:
Just to attack HotA Crew?
To keep'em adequate.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted November 25, 2013 08:14 PM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 21:47, 25 Nov 2013.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted November 26, 2013 12:43 AM |
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Macron1 said:
To run away is a bad strategy. If not defend classic gameplay, new ugly "features" will come.
hey, buddy, come on, you're not dealing with Ubisoft out here. This is not the new up and coming, all for profit Heroes game.
it's just a fan mod. it will not ruin your life. To download, or not to download. whatever. not defend classic gameplay, for you. not download, for you. End of story.
Some of us are looking forward to it. Que Sera, Sera.
Why not, stop coming in here like a broken record every time and dampening our high spirits, if all you have to complain about is you think it's heresy.
this isn't heresy, pal, trust me, you wanna see real heresy, try the latest Heroes 6 expansion
Just my two cent.
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Storm-Giant
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posted November 26, 2013 12:44 AM |
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verriker said:
this isn't heresy, pal, trust me, you wanna see real heresy, try the latest Heroes 6 expansion
^this
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Hippox89
Famous Hero
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posted November 26, 2013 01:26 AM |
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Edited by Hippox89 at 01:26, 26 Nov 2013.
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hehe, entertaining post. You sure lifted my sprite, Verriker.
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Vade_Parvis
Known Hero
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posted November 26, 2013 02:12 AM |
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Hobbit said:
According to Vade Parvis though, if I get it right, we won't see it in the very next version, but rather in the future.
No, it was about changing of the "Learning" secondary skill.
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SquigPie
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 26, 2013 08:30 AM |
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verriker said:
This isn't heresy, pal, trust me, you wanna see real heresy, try the latest Heroes 6 expansion
What was so bad about it?
Only played Heroes 6 (vanilla) once at my cousins.
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Jayfro
Tavern Dweller
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posted November 26, 2013 09:20 AM |
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Tark the Nix
Does anybody know if Tark (The Nix Skirmisher) will be an available hero in the upcoming 1.3? I really like his specialty, along with armor and attack as secondary skills. Right now, I am using Korkes as my main Cove hero. Not bad.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted November 26, 2013 10:55 AM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 10:56, 26 Nov 2013.
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Vade Parvis said:
No, it was about changing of the "Learning" secondary skill.
Okay, sorry. I admit I didn't read all the comments and I took yours out of context.
Jayfro said:
Does anybody know if Tark (The Nix Skirmisher) will be an available hero in the upcoming 1.3?
Probably it'll be the same as with other special heroes - only if you select him in map editor.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted November 26, 2013 10:46 PM |
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SquigPie said:
verriker said:
This isn't heresy, pal, trust me, you wanna see real heresy, try the latest Heroes 6 expansion
What was so bad about it?
Only played Heroes 6 (vanilla) once at my cousins.
Maybe the fact that most of the core elements consisting in a Heroes game are gone. I'm not going to develop here because off topic =)
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Vade_Parvis
Known Hero
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posted November 27, 2013 11:09 PM |
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Collage of ingame screenshots with the Pendant of Permanence.
Remind you that this artifact gives further +20% chance to Resistance.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted November 28, 2013 02:52 PM |
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Vade_Parvis said:
Remind you that this artifact gives further +20% chance to Resistance.
So that means 50% of magic resistance? sick
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted November 28, 2013 03:52 PM |
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