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posted July 26, 2009 08:33 AM |
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warhammer orcs go into battle with submachine guns and axes. Humans can only face them if they have bio-engineered humans with gargantuan chainguns and chainsaws. That's how big the difference is between a warhammer orc and a human. Now, both the WC-orc and the uruk have a small advantage against humans, but not such an advantage that the gap can only be closed by extremely superior weaponry 
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posted July 26, 2009 12:31 PM |
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Humans can only face them if they have bio-engineered humans with gargantuan chainguns and chainsaws.
Not really.
There's the Imperial Guard which are basically ordinary, untrained humans with rifles, and which is about of same strength.
The Space Marines you mentioned, with chainguns and chainsaws, well... One squad of them can take out 10 squads of orks.
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posted July 26, 2009 01:22 PM |
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Uruk Hai would win big-time!
Cuz uruk hai is a leader type, much stronger than a stupid orc, especilly against a stupid warcraft orc. Everything blizzard creates is games which turns most people into nerds! Eeew
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posted July 26, 2009 02:55 PM |
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Right, next person who calls the warcraft orcs stupid will wind up with a few less limds 
and i think titanium was talking about warhammer fantasy.
To be honest orcs are all about ganging up and attacking all at once, and overwhelm you with numbers.
To make them go head to head, just strips them of allot of potential.
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posted July 26, 2009 05:10 PM |
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Uruk Hai would win big-time!
Cuz uruk hai is a leader type, much stronger than a stupid orc, especilly against a stupid warcraft orc. Everything blizzard creates is games which turns most people into nerds! Eeew
Blizzard is making quality games. That is not even something you discuss, it's fact.
ON T, Uruks eats rotten maggot-bread and drink piss for lunch every day. Blizzard-orc orcs eats proper food, have a proper community and they have magical abilities. Thus, Uruk's diet would lower their capabilities compared to a Blizzard-orc that's entered his racial rage.
2 orcs from Blizz, killing a badass pitlord (beat that uruk's?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR7-UtdJDYg
Orc standing toe to toe with an immortal Night elf druid (about 2.15)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFTWDJ25zdc
Orc chopping down several huge Naga warrios + taking 4 (or more) arrows + other wounds before going down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se0fMusdqoc&feature=related
Legolas does not make headshots with every arrow in Lord of the rings when he's facing the Uruks, but he still kills them (usually) with 1 shot, thus making the Uruk's weaker than the Orcs from Blizz. Even the tiny hobbits kills Uruks (or at least they knock them out when they throw rocks, even when they're wearing iron helmets *LOL!!!*)
Also, Rohan riders eats the Uruk's alive outside fangorn forest.
I mean, you're all making assumptions only, and ignore fact that's out there Orcs from blizz are stronger than a two dollar bill
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posted July 26, 2009 05:29 PM |
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warhammer orcs go into battle with submachine guns and axes. Humans can only face them if they have bio-engineered humans with gargantuan chainguns and chainsaws. That's how big the difference is between a warhammer orc and a human. Now, both the WC-orc and the uruk have a small advantage against humans, but not such an advantage that the gap can only be closed by extremely superior weaponry
I can't actually believe someone would first consider that retarded lore first (=40k) when he hears warhammer. 
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posted July 26, 2009 05:38 PM |
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2 orcs from Blizz, killing a badass pitlord (beat that uruk's?)
That one has the orc with the aforementioned mjolnir so it doesn't count.
And don't blame me, blame the opening cinematics of the video game.
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posted July 26, 2009 05:44 PM |
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The ultimate reason why LotR dudes would win.
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posted July 26, 2009 05:55 PM |
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Blizzard is making quality games. That is not even something you discuss, it's fact.
World of warcraft. I win...
Also, all armour (except a tiny shirt made of rings, which seems to have the capacities of full plate) in peter jackson's movies seems to be made out of cardboard, so that's not fair. And the fellowship consists of unstoppable baddies with the exception of Sam, so that also doesn't count
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posted July 26, 2009 06:01 PM |
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World of warcraft. I win...
over 10 million players and one of the most praised games ever. Not fond if it myself but the majority likes it. It's got solid points & is well worth a mention as a good game.
And everything counts since we're taking ALL Aspects into concideration, no? Otherwise it'd be a "what if" thread instead, and that's not the case  The weapons, powers & abilities are to take into count, nothing else is fair 
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posted July 26, 2009 06:04 PM |
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I don't count the elite uruks, berserkers and lurtz so you're not allowed to count choas orcs, orcs with names or high level orcs.
And the sims is ten times more popular, so saying that it's opular is a bit... meh...
And quality =/= popularity, because then twilight would be good 
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posted July 26, 2009 06:10 PM |
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I don't count the elite uruks, berserkers and lurtz so you're not allowed to count choas orcs, orcs with names or high level orcs.
And the sims is ten times more popular, so saying that it's opular is a bit... meh...
And quality =/= popularity, because then twilight would be good
Well, elite uruks or berserks, all the same, still don't stand tall enough to match
The Twilight serie is good, and the second movie will be worth watching It's a matter of opinion regarding Culture, but the real issue at hand is a fact; Blizzard Orcs eats Tolkiens Uruks due to Almost superhuman strenght to a smaller degree & abilities they gained from their elder, demonic ancestors + magical aspects As said tho, all the abilities are taken into concideration, or else it's not a real comparison
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posted July 26, 2009 06:14 PM |
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An uruk berserker is capable of killing twenty soldiers or even more in tight quarters. Orcs can go head to head with humans. just take an orc warrior versus a human warrior of the same level and equipment. that's a tie.
And, please, the litterary value of twilight is incredibly low
Stephenie Meyer is a cultural pollutant that destroys the collective quality of today's literature.
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over 10 million players and one of the most praised games ever. Not fond if it myself but the majority likes it. It's got solid points & is well worth a mention as a good game.
Yeah and we all know how much quality Counter-Strike has...
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posted July 26, 2009 06:34 PM |
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Uruk Hai Wins.
Cause Blizz orcs are wussies.
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The Twilight serie is good, and the second movie will be worth watching
This has qualified your every subsequent claim as not only false but also blasphemous.
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posted July 26, 2009 06:54 PM |
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The Twilight serie is good, and the second movie will be worth watching
This has qualified your every subsequent claim as not only false but also blasphemous.
Sorry for having a wider cultural interest Stick to the topic btw
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posted July 26, 2009 07:10 PM |
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This is a spam topic anyway.
Also, from the warcraft games I seem to remember that one naga is about 1.3 orcs in terms of combat strength and hitpoints, so the vid is pointing at an exception. You think there are no exceptions to uruks either? Ever heard of lurtz?
I believe your argument to take every exception into account is false, because the one who started this topic said it would be an average orc against an average uruk-hai, so Grom, Thrall,Lurtz and the elite urks at amon hen don't count, that's all I said.
Also, I think that Stephenie Meyer doesn't belong to "a wider cultural interest", because that's as mainstream as you can get in literature nowadays. I don't say it's impossible to enjoy it or that it's wrong to enjoy her (okay, it's a little wrong) (but there's nothing wrong with enjoying bad films, in fact i'm enjoying bad fanfics and bad horror pictures today ) (and no Meyer is not so bad it's good, because there's no self-awareness in her writing at all), because tastes differ, but I think that you can definitely argue that the quality of her writing is quite off, since the story of twilight is quite one-dimensiona and boring in terms of plot character development and even action.
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posted July 26, 2009 08:13 PM |
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I agree; there are way better authors out there, dead or alive (quite a few) but i find some of the chapters & sessions in the books described flawless
But i think Lurtz would've gotten asskicked by Grom/Thrall, and if we're supposed to follow the curve down, regular uruk gets smashed by regular Orc. However, this is a majority-thread so regardless of my opinion i'd guess Uruk's win
But the fact that Uruks with iron helmets gets knocked down by small rocks the size of hobits hands ... not awesome 
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posted July 26, 2009 08:25 PM |
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It's a bit unfair that Troll would win, because he's wielding mjolnir!
Of course, an important difference between both worlds is that magic in warcraft is very common and in many things, but in lotr magic is destructive, mystical, incomprehensible (even the readers don't understand how it works) and only the most powerful individuals have it, so yeah, you got me there, but I still think that in a fair match between the two the urul would win...
Not that i'm trying to argue again, I just wanted t point out the magic aspect. And i'll admit there are cute pieces in meyer's writing, but I also think that doesn't make it great or exceptional work
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