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Thread: New Top WoG map in the making This thread is 4 pages long: 1 2 3 4 · «PREV
Salamandre
Salamandre


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Wog refugee
posted June 27, 2009 10:32 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 10:34, 27 Jun 2009.

I don't know. The worst thing in a fight is to lose almost all and then start resurrect for 30 minutes. At least, with titans you hide them behind the force field and they survive. The orb will not help, as you need to go in contact and they will die a lot. The map is very good with lords. And we get some dragons too.

I have the black orb already but avoided using him. The AI really enjoys blinding my titans so...

Sent save, Galthran dead, I tried different setups to avoid him casting dispel.
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jontahontas
jontahontas


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posted June 27, 2009 10:47 AM

You could gladly explain to me how you got there without visiting the brown keymaster´s tent etc. Its a mystery to me.

Btw about the phoenixes - you can use dispel on them and that way loose the fire shield. You do of course have to have a faster unit then they are

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Salamandre
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posted June 27, 2009 10:49 AM

Where I should not be?

Dispel on phoenixes is a bad thing, as it dispels our haste too. Without haste/prayer the phoenixes eat you.
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jontahontas
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posted June 27, 2009 10:55 AM

How could you reach Galthran without going through Rashka, Lord Haart, Slav Rosicz and Sarshasha and the sphere of performance quest?

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Salamandre
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posted June 27, 2009 11:02 AM

Waterwalk, I thought you made it possible.


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jontahontas
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posted June 27, 2009 11:15 AM

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Waterwalk, I thought you made it possible.




*cough* yes of course it was my intention. Eeee...

You got me big once more. That portal is about the last one you should reach, cant belive I didnt notice that before.

But it seems, besides the Phoenix battle, that you are fighting your way through a bit easy. And that every battle containing Fire shield for the enemy and huge amounts of troops causes too much troubble.

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Salamandre
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posted June 27, 2009 11:22 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 11:27, 27 Jun 2009.

The battles are easy if you have the appropriate creatures, which is not always possible. I mean, if I want to do a high score I would have to advance and never return. In this first test, I had to return on my steps hundred of times to place dragons in garrisons because only titans could survive to the next battle. Later I had to travel days to get the dragons back because only dragons could do the next fight.

But not a bad thing. You can keep it as it is, it is challenging enough.

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And that every battle containing Fire shield for the enemy and huge amounts of troops causes too much troubble.


It is causing little trouble because it become clear that the altair had its role. When I get myself with 150 hydras/150 behemots in front of 740 X 7 phoenixes I can't stop to think it was a setup for a transformation. But I could complete all the fights until now without it, I will finish it today.
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jontahontas
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posted June 27, 2009 11:29 AM
Edited by jontahontas at 11:30, 27 Jun 2009.

The thing is that I dont wanna put the Altar back. From what you´re writing it seems as if I dont have to either. Going back and stashing dragons, and then getting them back is only a good thing for me. The highscorefreak will bash his head before he does it, and will try harder but faster ways instead. Hopefully it doesnt get too boring with this going back and forth stuff though

edit: I had tons of setups for the Altar, but it seems as if it imbalances the game too much. And also dramaticly affects the story (all dragons are replaced) which is not cool at all

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Salamandre
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posted June 27, 2009 11:35 AM

Don't put it. But am I able to do the last fights with so few creatures? I see cursed ground every where (activated cheat reveal map)
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jontahontas
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posted June 27, 2009 11:40 AM
Edited by jontahontas at 11:45, 27 Jun 2009.

Only fight where you will be force to fight on cursed grounds is against Sarshasha the magician. I have just balanced her out, because she had 9999 fire birds that had fire shield on them.

Your biggest and only real problem should be in defeating the Emperor. My plan as mapmaker here is that by the time he starts walking around in the world (given that he buys his snowing enchanters and takes the portal, again script?) you will be slightly too weak to defeat him. This means you will have to flee and surrender and give up parts of your kingdom and build armies at other places and slowly outmuscle him.

Edit: Spell points. Now at the Hero training arena I put 22+ knowledge (not in your version) as part of the reward in the last pandora box. This will be the only way for the player to really boost the spell points by the end of the game. Questwise you dont have to do it, but you will benefit from it greatly and the training arena then plays a crucial role.

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Salamandre
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posted June 27, 2009 11:43 AM

She has 9999 fire birds on cursed ground vs my 800 lords + 200 dragons? Piece of cake. Will be dead before moving a finger. Me, dead.
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jontahontas
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posted June 27, 2009 11:49 AM
Edited by jontahontas at 11:49, 27 Jun 2009.

Ah come on! Dont be like that! Im sure you´ll find a way!

And ye, she now has 9999 earth eles and no fire birdies. She does have 9999 Energy Eles with Fire Shield, but those are the ONLY flying creature and they can also be slowed... Should be a piece of cookiedough match (that is in the version you dont have yet. Black dragoncheat yourself through this battle?)

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Salamandre
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posted June 27, 2009 11:51 AM

What black dragon cheat?
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jontahontas
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posted June 27, 2009 11:55 AM
Edited by jontahontas at 12:02, 27 Jun 2009.

It doesnt work in WoG? Nwcagents... I just tried it (and no I never tried to cheat before in WoG so this is the first time i realize that it didnt work!!)

Once again, I made an ass out of myself haha

This means you´ll have troubble getting past Sarshasha. But you can still fight against the Emperor. (Lord Haart and the other guys, well they will be left for the next time you play the map. The time where you play the finished, real map where you dont have to give feedback every 10 min)

edit: It do seem as if you can cheat http://www.cheatchannel.com/files/heroes3wog.htm, then you can use WOGGALADRIEL and at least get some angels in there (didnt find the black dragon cheat there, maybe its not in wog)

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Cepheus
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posted June 27, 2009 12:28 PM

I think in WoG it's either "wogblackriders" or "wognazgul".

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Salamandre
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posted June 27, 2009 11:12 PM

Well, so far I did not need to cheat. The 3 knights on cursed ground with 2500 archdevils + castle stuff were killed with minimal loses and Slav Rosic died with killing only a crystal dragon from the artefact. Now I am going for the lady on cursed ground, with 9999 fire birds. Will keep informed if it is possible to beat her.


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Salamandre
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posted June 27, 2009 11:36 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 23:57, 27 Jun 2009.

She has an annoying commander which makes some creatures fly before the battle, so I had to setup the "retaliate" units several times. Finally she wasn't hard, 4 reloads until got the right setup. The phoenix have fire shield so I had to cast dispel, otherwise huge loss on hit. The cursed ground is very good for this battle and the triple hits from ghost behemots were decisive.



Second time I saved 43 dragons (the reds are given by the dragonheart). Too bad the cursed ground does not allow any morale, I had morale at 9 and luck at 7. Pointless...

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Salamandre
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posted June 28, 2009 12:41 AM
Edited by Cepheus at 17:09, 23 Jul 2011.

I just had a lethal crash when trying to open a gate. I will give fly cheat to be able to pass it. Save sent.

Edit: I was not able to beat the map, as the emperor vanished because of the 7 days rule. So there are some inconsistencies in what tents to take and when. This can be fixed with a simple code making him to live for ever.

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