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Azagal
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posted May 23, 2008 04:56 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 16:58, 23 May 2008.
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Ok what I don't get about WoW is the whole "killing awesome characters". W-T-F?!I loved Khel Thuzad he was freakin awesome! All the time you hear how god-like,awesome ,indefeatable, superhuman, gigantic, infernal,omnipotent, <insert praise of awesomeness here> some one is (like Ragnaros, Deathwing, Khel, Magtheridon, freakin ILLIDAN!!) and then you get to kill them.... by a bunch of nobodys (storywise).... COME ON!!
Why the hell are we slaugthering the guys we made heroes and superawesome combat machines designed for slaugther and destruction? It really doesn't make any sense at all... I mean what do they do with Warcraft 4 (which theoretically isn't possible anymore if it wants to continue the old storyline).
I mean I really liked WoW when I played it (about 2 years ago) and it's really good (except for the sabotaging your own life factor if you really want to go high tier) but I don't like things that aren't atleast a bit logical within themselves. Sure fantasy is fantasy but that shouldn't mean that you can MURDER the legendary demon hunter or the arcane genius Khel whos necromancy is second to none... it's just not right!
And please... KIL JAEDEN/The old gods?!?! Are you kidding?! That's what I hate... people who have no respect for a story (not that I'm a fan of WoW I'm not but it's about the principle of the thing). Why should PUNY WoW characters be able to kill/succed against a character that couldn't be defeated by the gods (GODS!!) themselves and entire populations?!?! WHY?! What WoW does to it's own story is just sad...
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Cepheus
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posted May 23, 2008 05:23 PM |
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What sort of developer would you just throw away such a powerful character like that in the first place? That's like saying, I dunno, Tarnum died his final death after falling down a well. But they already did it to Illidan, didn't they...
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"Those who forget their history are inevitably doomed to repeat it." —Proverb, Might and Magic VIII
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emilsn
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posted May 23, 2008 07:40 PM |
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They are not SUPPOSE to make a Warcraft 4! I will cut their balls off - they shall let the legendary story of Warcraft end with Wow (a bad ending  ) and never look back at it!
WoW is an unending game, good for vacations and days off. But nothing more, it costs to much money and you have to invest to much time in it! If you don't you will be cut off from the game, imo. Take me, I have NEVER raided, couldn't find time for it! I hate playing all through the night and I hate having to take breaks, I need food you know! It is so sad! WoW is great, but it is bad aswell . 
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Darkshadow
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posted May 24, 2008 08:28 AM |
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They are not SUPPOSE to make a Warcraft 4! I will cut their balls off - they shall let the legendary story of Warcraft end with Wow (a bad ending ) and never look back at it!
WoW is an unending game, good for vacations and days off. But nothing more, it costs to much money and you have to invest to much time in it! If you don't you will be cut off from the game, imo. Take me, I have NEVER raided, couldn't find time for it! I hate playing all through the night and I hate having to take breaks, I need food you know! It is so sad! WoW is great, but it is bad aswell .
That's strange, I only play on sundays (not for long either) and am raiding Sunwell already 
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emilsn
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posted May 24, 2008 11:40 AM |
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Dshadow - When we discuss my playing, there are many things to have in mind. I like to eat on specific times! and when you start raiding at 19.30 In game time, I AM EATING THEN! And I hate being the one who comes 15-30 min. I feel like leecher!
(I am special/weird) remember
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xerox
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posted May 24, 2008 12:12 PM |
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Lol you play once a week and raid the hardest raid instance in the game? How many bosses have you killed?
Anyway Azagal....
Kel'thuzad is not dead, he is a boss in Naxx (where he probably will die 100%).
In the Warcraft lore Liches cannot die if you dont destroy their physiclate (i cant spell it...), otherwise they will just ressurect themself.
In orginal WoW we did kill Kel'thuzad in Naxxramas and looted his "physlicate".
Through a quest you gave it to a priest who said he will give it to some other guys that can destroy it.
But he doesnt do that, so Kel'thuzad is still alive and they retreated Naxxramas back to Northrend.
Kel'thuzad is ressurected again.
You seem to lack knowledge about both WoW and its lore.
Because it not players who kill Illidan. Maiev and Akama helps you and Maiev even executes him at the end of the fight.
Ragnaros was not 100% summoned.
Magtheridon was weakened because Illidans servants had drained so much blood from him.
Deathwing is not dead, he doesnt even appear in WoW (yet).
World of Warcraft IS Warcraft 4. People dont seem to understand that. They seem to think that WoW has not happened and there will be a new Warcraft RTS.
If you read all quests then you have a story. Please do because many quests are very intersting and adds great lore.
For example the Defias Brotherhood story is one of the longest ever. They keep you busy from lvl 1 to 40 and lvl 80 in WotLK.
There is even a comic book about the Defias.
Erm... Kil'Jaeden has existed since Warcraft 1/Warcraft 2.
That lonnggg before Kel'Thuzad, Illidan, Lich King or almost anyone else.
The Old Gods are new but are behind almost anything in Warcraft. They might even have been the ones that have created the Burning Legion.
Oh and they are not really gods. There are no real "gods" in Warcraft (yes, the Night Elfs thinks Elune is a godess but she is a creature called a "Eternal").
But they are very powerful. A Titan can not kill one alone. They only killed one Old God but they might even failed to kill him too (they thougt they had killed C'thun but didnt).
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Cepheus
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Far-flung Keeper
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posted May 24, 2008 12:16 PM |
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You seem to lack knowledge about both WoW and its lore.
Because it not players who kill Illidan. Maiev and Akama helps you and Maiev even executes him at the end of the fight.
That doesn't change anything. They still killed him off needlessly and pointlessly when there's a hundred better things they could have done with his character.
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Erm... Kil'Jaeden has existed since Warcraft 1/Warcraft 2.
Not in development terms...
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Azagal
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Smooth Snake
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posted May 24, 2008 12:24 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 12:28, 24 May 2008.
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You don't seem to understand what I'm saying... it doesn't matter whether Illidan get weakened by story relevant people, Khels flowerpot (the physi...thig) doesn't get destroyed, Magtheridon is weakend the thing that matters is that they all DIE (or get defeated). It simply shouldn't be possible. They are supposed to be the glorious heroes of their age - they shaped the destiny of the whole world... and they get killed/defeated.... WHAT?!?!
Seriously it's just about the logic... you are not supposed to be able to kill off/defeat the legendary characters who are the strongest individuals of their entire history. It's simply bad taste.
These superheroes get killed off by a group of freaking nobodys!! That's not what they deserve...
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"All I can see is what's in front of me. And all I can do is keep moving forward" - The Heir Wielder of Names, Seeker of Thrones, King of Swords, Breaker of Infinities, Wheel Smashing Lord
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted May 24, 2008 12:51 PM |
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Totally agree with Azgal on this one.
You just can't kill major characters, not to mention demigods, in an MMORPG, in a normal RPG or RTS, where we have a legendary hero or something, yes but not in a MMORPG, where the player is nobody. It just isn't right.
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emilsn
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posted May 25, 2008 11:34 AM |
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I'm on your side (Aza and Jonas) but we must remember that the characters we play are suppose to be champions of the horde and the alliance - We are not suppose to be facelss (We are but not suppose to!) and we are heroes, mighty heroes, the lack of RP in WoW has made the game a shallow game about killing things and getting Epics!
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Cepheus
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posted May 25, 2008 12:35 PM |
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Of course on the other hand, if they ever made an MMORPG out of Ashan, I wouldn't feel too bad about the ability to murder Isabel, Findan and AgRaelag 
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"Those who forget their history are inevitably doomed to repeat it." —Proverb, Might and Magic VIII
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted May 25, 2008 12:59 PM |
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@Emilsn: Well the fact that there are a few millions of those heroes kinda breaks the illusion.
@Ceph: I know I would.
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radar
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posted May 25, 2008 01:01 PM |
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Ceph I regret doctor Gadi's cabinet doesn't exist anymore
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Cepheus
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posted May 25, 2008 01:05 PM |
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Yes, I have recently gone insane again. Perhaps next month all will be cleared and my maniacal spree of ridiculous comments will cease. Until then, excuse me.
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Darkshadow
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posted May 25, 2008 02:07 PM |
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Of course on the other hand, if they ever made an MMORPG out of Ashan, I wouldn't feel too bad about the ability to murder Isabel, Findan and AgRaelag
Why not send that idea to Ubi?They could use it in Homm Kingdoms...
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emilsn
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posted May 25, 2008 05:04 PM |
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@Emilsn: Well the fact that there are a few millions of those heroes kinda breaks the illusion.
Kind of what I also ment - Because I understand that, which makes the game loose its spirit
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xerox
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posted May 26, 2008 10:38 PM |
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I also agree that its wrong to kill off awesome heroes but some of them are not important and okay to kill.
For example Magtheridon, C'thun and Ragnaros, im okey with that. They were never really important and cool anyway.
But Blizzard needs bosses. It would not be fun to raid a normal human called "Grayson Shadowhammer" for example.
They screwed up Illidan (and they even said that theý didnt like how things turned out with Illidan) and Kael'thas.
Kael'thas was a very good and cool charcater in Wc3.
However lorewise it makes completly sense.
I was very sad when Illidan died, he was my favorite Warcraft hero pre-tbc.
But atleast guys like Thrall, Kil'Jaedan, Lich King, Tyrande, Cairne, Maiev etc doesnt die.
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Darkshadow
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posted May 27, 2008 01:17 PM |
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I wonder how they will manage that, will he become good again?Whatever the case, they need to do something about the scourge.
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emilsn
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posted May 27, 2008 08:04 PM |
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Lich king good? No no no - Arthas perhaps - they just need to unlink him from the Lich king and get rid of the frostmourn (but the frostmourn is like the ring from LOTR) But in theory you could redeem Arthas. But again why? no one in that time would releashe him, they would rather slaughter him!
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xerox
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posted May 28, 2008 08:28 PM |
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It is possible that when Arthas is free from the Lich King he will be good again, but its not very likely since Blizzard officialy has said that you kill the body (Arthas) and not Ner'Zhul (the spirit inside/the lich king).
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Over himself, over his own
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