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espen15
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posted June 22, 2008 01:45 PM

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Italy = sucks - You cannot win by playing 90% defensive - and they suck totally.

The rest of the game will go like this:

Italy - spain: 0-2

Turkey - Germany: 1-2 (maybe 1-3!)

Russia - Spain: 2-1

Finale: Russia - Germany: 3-2


italy won´t suck they play good defensive football.

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Dragon_Slayer
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posted June 22, 2008 02:17 PM
Edited by Dragon_Slayer at 14:18, 22 Jun 2008.

To say a team such as Italy sucks shows just how little you really know about football.
If you bothered to watch any of their previous games you would see how well they have been playing. But hey what would i know. I mean 90% defensive football doesnt win world cups, or beat teams like France.
I guess France must suck more than Italy then? Oh and based on your logic every other European team who Italy beat in the last world cup must also suck! Wow that sounds like a whole heap of crap teams playing top grade football!

Oh and please tell me how you worked out that Italy play exactly 90% defensive football? Do they keep the ball in their half for 80 minutes and then attack in the last 10? Or maybe they attack for one minute every 10 minutes?
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posted June 22, 2008 02:42 PM

lol what's wrong with you? Italy does suck. I don't know if you actually saw the game that send them to the half finals (or final I don't remember) vs. australia... they won because the referee gave them a ridicolous penalty kick in the last 2 minutes of the game... come on.

But apart from that Italy still sucks as a soccer team. And they DO play defense only... which is boring but I guess if you just wait long enough you'll get a chance. To say that Italy won the worlcup based on skill only... that is ridicolous.

Dude I don't get your logic at all. Just because a teams wins against another won doesn't mean they are better! If that would be the case the brasilians would win any competition... I mean greece won the last eu-cup and they failed miserably. Italy is not "bad" bad but it's certainly not high above average.
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posted June 22, 2008 02:59 PM
Edited by Dragon_Slayer at 15:01, 22 Jun 2008.

Your wrong. The Brasilians played poorly in the last world cup. They were no where near a quality side. Dont base your judgements on previous performances. Just because brazil had an excellent side many years ago, doesnt mean they still do.

Italy played very well to win the last world cup. Oh so what, a poor ref decision gave them an advantage but these things happen. You cant say there a bad team just because the referee gave them an advantage. They were a far more experienced side compared to Australia. The teams they beat to get to the finals were not amatures either. Germany, France? All quality sides that Italy beat. GUess they must have fluked it huh?

The better team always wins. if your a great team you will beat your opponent. Sure there is luck and such involved but at the end of the day the better team usually wins. Defensive football is a great tactic and Italy isnt the only team that plays it. To apply constant pressure and then attack when the time is right is a skill.

Oh and btw, although i dont like the greeks, compared to most other teams in the last Euro cup they played very well. They had a great side and were better on the day. Too bad they lost it now

Oh and one more thing. I never said Italy won the last world cup purely on skill. I dont know where you got that from
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emilsn
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posted June 22, 2008 03:10 PM

But the sad thing is, mostly Italy wins on 1 goal - Meaning they get one goal, often by a penalty, and then they go 100% Defensive and not even trying to close the game by getting the second goal. That tactic leads to a boring match and the other team in deep frustation as you cannot beat a team that got 11 players on 1 side!!

We must face that this Em have not been the great footballs nations Cup - France failed, Italy failed in the first matches, Sweden Failed, like Italy Germany failed like wise(but they will go to the finale because Turkey is no good), in some way Portugal failed, they could have been playing way better then they did. This EM is the Underdog's Cup.
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Azagal
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posted June 22, 2008 03:14 PM

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Your wrong. The Brasilians played poorly in the last world cup. They were no where near a quality side. Dont base your judgements on previous performances.

Thank you that's exactly my point.
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Oh and based on your logic every other European team who Italy beat in the last world cup must also suck!

Wouldn't you say that you are saying that because Italy won the last worldcup they don't suck? But as you just said that isn't an argument.

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Oh and one more thing. I never said Italy won the last world cup purely on skill. I dont know where you got that from

I just took your logic one step futher to show that such thinking isn't very logical. As you can see here:
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The better team always wins.

So according to your logic Italy is/was the best team out there at that time. They clearly weren't!! Dude it's plain wrong to say that the better team always wins. That's what my brasil comment was suppose to enlighten you about. Even when Brasililan team only cosisded of soccer gods they still didn't win every match.

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The teams they beat to get to the finals were not amatures either. Germany, France? All quality sides that Italy beat. GUess they must have fluked it huh?

Not at all. It's just that Germany and France are the better teams. I don't know whether you remember the games but:

Frances shot's on the goal: 15 goals: 0
Italys shot's on the goal: 3 goals: 1     (the numbers aren't exact)

The thing is they were lucky as hell. Of course one could argue that that was due to superior skill that plain wrong if you actually saw the game! France dominated the game, had the ball posessions, excellent passes, keeping the pressure, etc blablabla but they didn't get a freakin goal! Italy however fumbles miserably (obviously I'm exagerating) and gets one goal because France made a mistake. That's not skill that's luck.
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posted June 22, 2008 03:25 PM
Edited by Dragon_Slayer at 15:28, 22 Jun 2008.

When playing sport at such high level, luck and skill go hand in hand. Whether France had more scoring chances, passed better, looked better, whatever. They didnt capitalise on their chances, Italy did. Just because they won on a penalty, doesnt mean they didnt deserve to win. The penalty was called for.

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But the sad thing is, mostly Italy wins on 1 goal - Meaning they get one goal, often by a penalty, and then they go 100% Defensive and not even trying to close the game by getting the second goal.


Italy beat Germany 2-0 last world cup. Beat France 2-0 this Euro cup. 1-0 isnt just and Italy only score. A majority of teams only win 1-0, and many more draw. Does this make the teams boring to watch or defensive? Jeez if you find 1-0 boring to watch, maybe you should pick a new sport.

How could you say Germany was the better team in the last WC. Italy won 2-0. No penatlies. Also you quoted me before, how the better team always wins. You have taken it out of context. Read what i said after
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posted June 22, 2008 03:41 PM

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Whether France had more scoring chances, passed better, looked better, whatever.

But isn't that what makes a team better than the other? And according to you the "better" team wins thus France.
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They didnt capitalise on their chances, Italy did.

It's one thing if you shot bad, the goalkeeper takes it or you get a stupid decision from the referee but it's a whole other story if you shots get deflected by chance or you miss by an inch.

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Just because they won on a penalty, doesnt mean they didnt deserve to win.The penalty was called for.

What? Of course it does. Naturally not always but don't you think that referee's can make bad decisions? And if a match would be won because of that bad decision would you honestly say the "better" team won? I'm not at all argueing the penalty issue it's just that your persistence to believe that it's always the better team that wins.

Dude this EM really is a underdogs cup. I mean Russia and Turkey over Portugal and Croatia, wtf (naturally this is only my opinion)?
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posted June 22, 2008 03:44 PM
Edited by JoonasTo at 15:45, 22 Jun 2008.

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Dude this EM really is a underdogs cup. I mean Russia and Turkey over Portugal and Croatia, wtf (naturally this is only my opinion)?


And a lot of others' opinion too i bet.

You forgot the Netherlands. Biggest shock so far.

Maybe it's time for Russia to rise at the level the Soviets were in football.
Go Russia!
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Azagal
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posted June 22, 2008 03:50 PM

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You forgot the Netherlands. Biggest shock so far.

That's what I mean with Russia OMG!! Dude I was sooo sure they'd be in the finals... they were so on fire Oo!
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posted June 22, 2008 05:02 PM
Edited by VokialBG at 17:03, 22 Jun 2008.

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You forgot the Netherlands. Biggest shock so far.

That's what I mean with Russia OMG!! Dude I was sooo sure they'd be in the finals... they were so on fire Oo!


Russia deserved it, if the Netherlands were better they would win the match. And I agree with DS, Italy suck... however I prefer Croatia than Turkey.
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posted June 22, 2008 05:06 PM

The biggest shock was, as Turkey scoored mostly the winning goal in the extra times... (see Switzerland, Czech Republic or Croatia)

Now, that Netherlands has gone (through Russia's deserved win), I go for Turkey: I really like their type of football and I hope, that they will win now...

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posted June 22, 2008 05:42 PM
Edited by VokialBG at 17:43, 22 Jun 2008.

Yeah but if Turkey win its kinda shame, since Turkey is asian country (97% of its territory, its capital and most of the population is in Asia) I mean c'mon this is the Euro 2008 not Asia 2008... or if there is some kind of asian championship (Do not get i wrong I have nothing agains Asia but this is really ridiculous...)
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posted June 22, 2008 06:04 PM

So what? Most of Russia is in Asia too, I don't see anyone considering it an Asian country.
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posted June 22, 2008 06:18 PM

How the country is located doesn't bother me, but how the teams play do

Turkey is in my eyes not a winner - they played a awfull game against croatia, so did Croatia, but none of them showed any really good play.

If Russia keeps the spirit, I really will cheer for them!
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posted June 22, 2008 07:07 PM

And one of all, you can't say that: "Okay, guys, thoose, who play on the european territory of Turkey are just allowed to play in Euro Championship 2008! The others please contact the Asian Football Management...!

The same for Russia, of course...!

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posted June 22, 2008 08:06 PM
Edited by VokialBG at 20:08, 22 Jun 2008.

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Most of Russia is in Asia too


Not the same this territory is rarely populated. Most of the population and the capital of Russia are in Europe, also Russia was founded in Europa, they start from here. Asian countries should not play on the Euro (Why we have World championship then? We also have African, South American and Europe championships) if Asian and etc countries play on the Euro then its better if we have world championship every 2 years... otherwise its not Europe championship, but Eurasian championship...
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Kipshasz
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posted June 23, 2008 05:28 PM

not a big fan of football,but i think that either Russia or Germany wins the championship. but every country is well prepared.
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posted June 23, 2008 05:32 PM

Sorry russia is no more. Spain took care of that.
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posted June 23, 2008 05:37 PM

I see Germany beating Turkey.  Turkey are decent but against the quality of the Germans their luck will run out.

Spain-Russia is tougher to call.  It will come down to whose defense is stronger.  Hopefully these games will stop going to extra time!

I'll guess a Spain-Germany final with Germany winning.

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