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Moonlith
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posted June 13, 2008 11:37 AM |
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Then I guess that indeed proves enjoying a high education does not imply having high intelligence.
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posted June 13, 2008 11:43 AM |
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Edited by executor at 11:47, 13 Jun 2008.
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Then I guess you are wrong. I am member of mensa and have an IQ of 170. Besides you may have violated the CoC by implying that I'm 'unintelligent'. I somewhat feel offended, as it is untrue.
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watcher83
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posted June 13, 2008 11:46 AM |
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Everybody is entitled to his opinion, they are not morons nor brilliant, they simply state their beliefs.
I, for one, consider it to be ridiculous to legalize homosexual marriages. Nothing good can come from this.
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Moonlith
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posted June 13, 2008 11:50 AM |
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Edited by Moonlith at 12:00, 13 Jun 2008.
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Besides you may have violated the CoC by implying that I'm 'unintelligent'. I somewhat feel offended, as it is untrue.
I am bisexual and I feel HEAVILY offended by many things said in this thread. You have some guts saying YOU are the one who is offended here.
Don't speak about subjects that you know nothing about.
If you agree with someone who claims "my kind" has some sort of agenda and tries to bring down societies, I reserve the right to call you a moron for believing that.
And I would love to see the mod that has the guts to penalize me for my right to get angry over this.
Again, people are entitled to their opinion and freedom of speech, but spewing bullcrap backed up by prejudice and ignorance is not something to be encouraged, and validates the definition of "moron".
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posted June 13, 2008 12:12 PM |
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Edited by executor at 12:19, 13 Jun 2008.
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The fact that I have other value system than you does not allow legitimate you to say untruth about me, which you did (by implying I am unintelligent).
Be outraged if you like, I do not deprive you of that.
I am not willing to be a friend of yours at all costs, but of course I would prefer that to happen. But it is obvious that to do so one of us must have changed his value system and beliefs, which I won't do, and probably so will you. Hard luck.
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watcher83
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posted June 13, 2008 12:12 PM |
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Romania huh?
Did that country join the European union?
If so, I feel embarassed.
This is the kind of statement that bothers.....you should sleep on that
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Moonlith
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posted June 13, 2008 12:14 PM |
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Edited by Moonlith at 12:22, 13 Jun 2008.
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What you must understand is that the debate about homosexual rights to me is the same as a debate about black people's rights to any other non-nazi person; it is a NON-ISSUE.
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Romania huh?
Did that country join the European union?
If so, I feel embarassed.
This is the kind of statement that bothers.....you should sleep on that
You are saying that bothers more than the statement made by the person in question? The idea that is "Okay" to be intolerant of homosexuals?
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I woun't legalize "gayism", in my country we are verry anti gay people. THey are some guys with a problem. I'm sorry to say that, especially since sometimes it's not their fault.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for respectfull and intelligent discussions. But stupid statements do not deserve a respectfull reaction.
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watcher83
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posted June 13, 2008 12:21 PM |
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that was a 15 year old kid talking, not me, and not all romanians
if I disagree with one dutch, I don't say bad things about the Netherlands
and If I don't agree with gay people that's my problem I'm not making you accept something you don't want to
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Moonlith
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posted June 13, 2008 12:26 PM |
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Edited by Moonlith at 12:28, 13 Jun 2008.
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1) he DID speak on behalf of his country, how legimate that is or not.
2) You are from Romania; I don't see you disagreeing with him.
3) I don't speak on behalf of my country, nor would I care really if someone generalized the netherlands.
4) The fact he spoke about his country falls into a stereotype image that most of the eastern european countries are not so cool with homosexuality. Poland is another example.
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and If I don't agree with gay people that's my problem I'm not making you accept something you don't want to
Unfortunately you belong to a minority then, since most rather see homosexuals deprived of rights and even killed.
And actually, it does affect me:
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I, for one, consider it to be ridiculous to legalize homosexual marriages. Nothing good can come from this.
It means you would vote against people like me being given a right to marry. Not that I care; but I can imagine how hurtfull it would be to homosexuals that DO want to marry.
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watcher83
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posted June 13, 2008 12:30 PM |
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there are plenty gay and bisexuals in Romania
some accept them some don't
some like chocolate icecream some vanilla
you are not seeing the big picture, people have different sexual, political, social, economical point of views
you are being narrow minded by saying that only one behaviour or opinion is acceptable
Marriage is a piece paper, but adoption isn't
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eugen_cosmarul
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posted June 13, 2008 12:33 PM |
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Yeah, watcher's right, if I walk through a park and see 2 guys ( ) and don't want to watch them that doesnt mean that u must come and force me to watch them..it's my choice weather I watch them or not.
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Moonlith
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posted June 13, 2008 12:39 PM |
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Edited by Moonlith at 12:43, 13 Jun 2008.
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Again, I can fully understand people dislike the sight.
But what my concern is, is that people will try to deprive homosexuals of human rights because they dislike the sight of it. Such as that park example, telling them not to do it in public or even risking getting a beating. That IS what happens.
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you are being narrow minded by saying that only one behaviour or opinion is acceptable
When it comes to homosexuals, I'd indeed say the only acceptable opinion or behavior is that they are just human beings like you and me, and should just be left alone.
Most of the time, people who think differently on this, will try to 'do something about it', and that results in very scary situations.
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watcher83
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posted June 13, 2008 12:47 PM |
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Just to make it clear
Homosexuals can enjoy almost every right heterosexuals have except adoption.
Why I'm against marriage between homosexuals:
The life of a couple can exist just the same without marriage, changes are represented by a piece of paper and wedding rings; the couples life will still be the same. If that was it it's fine by me.
My worry is that it's only a step towards a different goal, which is adoption. And I don't agree with that. If someone at a certain age discovers that it's a homosexual that's fine, but a child can't make that kind of decisions and in my opinion (which can be wrong. I give you that) children should grow in a heterosexual family and if at a certain age they choose to be homosexual than that's their choice.
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Moonlith
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posted June 13, 2008 12:50 PM |
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uhr, homosexuality is NOT a choice. THAT is being narrowminded.
Mind you, I agree with you on your way of reasoning about marriage and adoption, but you have to be carefull with the way you get it across.
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watcher83
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posted June 13, 2008 12:51 PM |
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I didn't mean it like that kind of a choice (like should I go to school or stay home), but as a discovery of one's self
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Moonlith
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posted June 13, 2008 12:53 PM |
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True enough then. I would debate with you on the noticion of needing to grow up in a heterosexual family, but fact is, I honestly don't know what kind of family life is best.
In the old ages, children were raised by an entire tribe, not just two parents. No harm came from that.
Keep in mind if children need both sex parents in order to develop properly (as an argument against homosexual parents), that automaticly implies single-parent families won't do good either.
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watcher83
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posted June 13, 2008 12:57 PM |
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Keep in mind if children need both sex parents in order to develop properly (as an argument against homosexual parents), that automaticly implies single-parent families won't do good either.
Yes, that can be true; harder for the child; harder for the parent.
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posted June 13, 2008 01:22 PM |
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I will not go into this but I will just say something. A person can love his brother. A father can love his son. All of this without being 'gay', so gay means something more, if you know what I mean 
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posted June 13, 2008 01:42 PM |
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I cannot see why it is worse with parents of the same gender to raise kids.
Male + Female = in these days say 10% possibility to turn out gay.   
Male + Male = 70% to turn out gay 
Female + Female = Gay feminist... ZOMG that's just too much. 
I must admit, reading through this thread, I'm surprised how narrowminded and prejudiced you are in your comments, TNT_Addict. I would like to see some justification for these numbers from, say, some scientific work analysing the subject.
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And I would love to see the mod that has the guts to penalize me for my right to get angry over this.
Moonlith: Don't tempt me. 
On a serious note, however, be careful not to deviate too much from the topic. I know and understand that some of us (all of us?) can have difficulty understanding oppinions that differ so very much from our own, especially when it comes to believes that are very central to some of us (at it obviously is to you, Moonlith) - and that's ok. However, let's not fall too far into the name-calling and mud-throwing pit; rather try to state your oppinions and explain why you feal that way - maybe you see things from a perspective the others haven't considered.
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Sargeras
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posted June 13, 2008 02:10 PM |
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I'm for equal human rights...hetero or gay alike, but i'm against gay-marriage and against gay-adopting children...in my book that's not natural...
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