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posted June 17, 2008 05:45 PM |
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No need of kicking, you got the idea.
Somehow lately I'm not sure of myself whether I can understand something or be understood.
sorry for off-topic.
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posted June 17, 2008 07:34 PM |
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You could say, for example, that some people get bothered for pollution, but does that mean the people with cars should stop driving (they bother the rights of that person)?
Pollution is much more of a gray area than same-sex marriage.
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As long as there are at least two people in a society they will bother themselves in one way or another.
??? Not necessarily.
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posted June 17, 2008 07:36 PM |
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Pollution is much more of a gray area than same-sex marriage.
Uh what? What's with the same-sex marriage? Did you think I was talking about that?
I was talking about what 'bother' can mean -- depending on who defines it.
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mvassilev
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posted June 17, 2008 08:01 PM |
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I meant that same-sex marriage doesn't affect anybody except for the people getting married, so it shouldn't be banned. Pollution is different.
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posted June 17, 2008 08:12 PM |
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I meant that same-sex marriage doesn't affect anybody except for the people getting married, so it shouldn't be banned.
Right, and that's why I wasn't talking about it 
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mvassilev
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posted June 17, 2008 09:26 PM |
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posted June 18, 2008 07:42 AM |
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Edited by Minion at 07:44, 18 Jun 2008.
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But I believe we have to know before we can prohibid it.
Well my opinion is exactly the contrary - we have to know if we were to allow it. We don't know - we don't allow it. Vicious circle? I don't care.
So you are happily unaware of the fact that there are a lot of gay parents already?
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Concerning definitions you gave, unwillingness to go beyond a system of values that emhasizes euality of rights beyond anything else is narrow-minded as well, surprisingly you proved me right .
I wanted to say that not letting me speak my opinion is as well discrimination. And by the way, many people may be *hurt, insulted or shocked* by opinion that they are should stay out of public discussion because of their view of the world, and that this view is considered inferior, ehatever that view would be.
Equality of rights is narrowminded. I find this hilarious. "Aren't you a bit narrowminded, you know, for not being narrowminded?" Surely that is one way to look at it 
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It is of no consequence what do people in a given country believe in, what is important is that they, in one way or another, as a society, agree on a set of laws, based on *their* understanding of right and wrong, and it is absurdous (and oppressive) for them to accept laws based on someone else's judgement.
Surely, exactly. And for most of the western world our set of belief tells that hatespeeches and hatecrimes are wrong, even when it is being done by people of faith. 
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posted June 18, 2008 08:08 AM |
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For example, if in a society, gay people are not accepted on the LAW, does that mean that it is not discriminatory simply because the law says so? Does discrimination come from the law? Laws are built by *some* humans -- so if in a law system gay are forbidden, does that mean that whether I say "gay people suck" I am not discriminatory, because I am doing what the divine law says? (gay people are forbidden in this example law remember?)...
Contradiction. If a society will have a law "ruling" things like religion, homosexuals, skin color etc..., you won't find the terminology "discrimination" in their law book. Just try and find ONE example. I am sure you will fail.
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TheDeath
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posted June 18, 2008 11:02 AM |
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Contradiction. If a society will have a law "ruling" things like religion, homosexuals, skin color etc..., you won't find the terminology "discrimination" in their law book. Just try and find ONE example. I am sure you will fail.
You're right, but in some societies (especially in the past) gays were forbidden, and people behaved that way since they did not want to break the law (the whole population was dragged down on this ideas). If a person shouted "Down with the gays!" it was 'natural' (because of the law) others followed him/her -- and they were never called 'discriminatory'
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posted June 18, 2008 11:05 AM |
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You're right, but in some societies (especially in the past) gays were forbidden, and people behaved that way since they did not want to break the law (the whole population was dragged down on this ideas). If a person shouted "Down with the gays!" it was 'natural' (because of the law) others followed him/her -- and they were never called 'discriminatory'
Neither was slavery of black people/Massacre of most Indian tribes during European colonization, and when the Incca leader didn't understand the european he got a cannonball to head. everyone approved it, some countries even encouraged it.But we are past that, and we should act like we are past it.
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TheDeath
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posted June 18, 2008 11:26 AM |
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But we are past that, and we should act like we are past it.
But we should also act as if we learn from our mistakes -- they thought their system was perfect, now we think our system is perfect.. to me it sounds like a repeating history mistake. What I would like however is to place less emphasis on the law when it comes to things like discrimination, racism or morality on the large scale.
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posted June 18, 2008 11:54 AM |
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What I would like however is to place less emphasis on the law when it comes to things like discrimination, racism or morality on the large scale.
Excactly. 
It is better if the debate goes deeper than just "it is wrong because it is against the law"
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posted June 18, 2008 01:01 PM |
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Today at this very date(Wednesday 11th June 2008) Norway did a modification of the laws concerning marriage. Now it is no longer restricted to opposite gender marriage, along gay-marriage is now 100% equal in rights of all terms.
Meaning all same-sex that get married now gets equal rigth to Assisted reproductive technology(i know there is better words for it  ) as a Heterosexual married couple.
I only would like to ask sg. -just because of pure curiosity. Does this mean they can adopt children? (well, there is/was/going to be argument about these things in my country as well, lately, and I would like to have a better understandin what the results can be)
Thank you.
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posted June 18, 2008 02:43 PM |
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I only would like to ask sg. -just because of pure curiosity. Does this mean they can adopt children?
Yes, thats what it means.
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Galev
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posted June 19, 2008 08:43 AM |
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Yes, thats what it means.
...wooh ....
Thank you for your answer.
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