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Thread: Sudoku
Asheera
Asheera


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posted June 18, 2008 12:50 PM
Edited by Asheera at 16:30, 18 Jun 2008.

Sudoku

This popular Japanese game (su = number, doku = single/unique) has now extended to other countries as well, and it requires logic and concentration.

The rules are pretty simple: you must complete all free cells (in our case the '-' signs) with numbers from 1 to 9, so that each row, each column and each 3x3 area separated by the grid (in our case the '+' signs) has all numbers from 1 to 9 and only once. Each Sudoku game has only one unique final result.
There are a lot of levels of difficulties, based on the amount of numbers that are predefined and how these numbers are placed.

Here's how we'll play: I give the first game and whoever finishes it first gives a new one (if there's any problem - e.g. can't find a Sudoku game - I'll give it; I have A LOT of Sudoku games)

Oh, and don't get upset if someone finishes a Sudoku game when you have 90% of it done. This is no competition, we just do it for fun, right?

Ok, here's the first one (it's pretty easy, but for those that never played Sudoku it might be hard)

- - - + 4 2 8 + - 6 -
9 6 8 + - 3 - + - - -
2 - - + - - - + 3 8 7
+ + + + + + + + + + +
- - - + - - 5 + 7 4 6
- - 6 + 7 - 3 + 2 - -
1 2 7 + 8 - - + - - -
+ + + + + + + + + + +
6 3 4 + - - - + - - 1
- - - + - 6 - + 8 2 5
- 8 - + 9 7 1 + - - -


Note, if you post a Sudoku game use the [courier] [/font] stuff, so that the text has a fixed width.


I'll give some tips: first, never GUESS. Place a number only when you're sure it fits in the appropriate place.

Now some practical tips:

Let's analyze the Sudoku game I gave above. Let's look in the 3x3 area in the upper-middle. Let's try to place the 7 number, but where? As you can see, there is only one place you can place it because otherwise you would have two 7s either on the fourth column from the left or the third row from up. So we place it where it belongs:

- - - + 4 2 8 + - 6 -
9 6 8 + - 3 7 + - - -
2 - - + - - - + 3 8 7
+ + + + + + + + + + +
- - - + - - 5 + 7 4 6
- - 6 + 7 - 3 + 2 - -
1 2 7 + 8 - - + - - -
+ + + + + + + + + + +
6 3 4 + - - - + - - 1
- - - + - 6 - + 8 2 5
- 8 - + 9 7 1 + - - -


Now let's look for an 8 in the lower-middle area. There's only one place where it can be written because otherwise it would be two 8s on the 4th and 6th columns.

- - - + 4 2 8 + - 6 -
9 6 8 + - 3 7 + - - -
2 - - + - - - + 3 8 7
+ + + + + + + + + + +
- - - + - - 5 + 7 4 6
- - 6 + 7 - 3 + 2 - -
1 2 7 + 8 - - + - - -
+ + + + + + + + + + +
6 3 4 + - 8 - + - - 1
- - - + - 6 - + 8 2 5
- 8 - + 9 7 1 + - - -


I hope those are enough tips to get you started (PS: I can post easier Sudoku's as well)
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homm3megejas
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posted June 18, 2008 05:06 PM

375+428+169
968+137+452
241+659+387
+++++++++++
893+215+746
456+793+218
127+846+593
+++++++++++
634+582+971
719+364+825
582+971+634 , right?

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Asheera
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posted June 18, 2008 05:46 PM
Edited by Asheera at 17:46, 18 Jun 2008.

That's right

But use the [courier] [/font] tags next time
And spaces between each character to make it more readable.

Like this:

[courier]
3 7 5 + 4 2 8 + 1 6 9
9 6 8 + 1 3 7 + 4 5 2
2 4 1 + 6 5 9 + 3 8 7
+ + + + + + + + + + +
8 9 3 + 2 1 5 + 7 4 6
4 5 6 + 7 9 3 + 2 1 8
1 2 7 + 8 4 6 + 5 9 3
+ + + + + + + + + + +
6 3 4 + 5 8 2 + 9 7 1
7 1 9 + 3 6 4 + 8 2 5
5 8 2 + 9 7 1 + 6 3 4

[/font]


Next Sudoku:
8 - - + - - 4 + - 2 -
3 - - + - - 1 + 8 7 -
9 - - + - 5 8 + - 1 -
+ + + + + + + + + + +
- - 7 + - 3 - + 1 4 -
- - 8 + 4 - 2 + 6 - -
- 2 1 + - 9 - + 5 - -
+ + + + + + + + + + +
- 6 - + 1 8 - + - - 3
- 8 3 + 5 - - + - - 1
- 4 - + 2 - - + - - 9


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eugen_cosmarul
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hey
posted June 18, 2008 06:16 PM
Edited by eugen_cosmarul at 18:17, 18 Jun 2008.

Took 3 minutes...



8 1 6 + 3 7 4 + 9 2 5
3 5 4 + 9 2 1 + 8 7 6
9 7 2 + 6 5 8 + 3 1 4
+ + + + + + + + + + +
6 9 7 + 8 3 5 + 1 4 2
5 3 8 + 4 1 2 + 6 9 7
4 2 1 + 7 9 6 + 5 3 8
+ + + + + + + + + + +
2 6 9 + 1 8 7 + 4 5 3
7 8 3 + 5 4 9 + 2 6 1
1 4 5 + 2 6 3 + 7 8 9

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Asheera
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posted June 18, 2008 06:51 PM
Edited by Asheera at 20:11, 18 Jun 2008.

3 minutes? Ok, want a harder one?

- 7 - | - - 6 | - - 5
9 4 - | - 7 - | - - -
1 8 - | - - - | - - -
_____________________
- - 2 | - - - | 7 - -
- - 1 | 3 - 5 | 8 - -
- - 9 | - - - | 4 - -
_____________________
- - - | - - - | - 2 6
- - - | - 9 - | - 8 7
3 - - | 1 - - | - 4 -



and another easy one for noobs

- - - | 9 2 1 | 8 - -
- - - | - 7 - | 5 9 4
7 8 9 | - - - | - - -
_____________________
9 1 5 | 6 - - | - - -
- 2 - | 7 - 3 | - 1 -
- - - | - - 9 | 6 8 2
_____________________
- - - | - - - | 1 3 6
3 9 2 | - 6 - | - - -
- - 4 | 3 5 8 | - - -



and a different type of Sudoku for truly experts. It's the same as the other ones only that it is 16x16 instead of 9x9 and instead of numbers from 1 to 9 you place numbers from 0 to 9 and letters from A to F

3 - - - | - - E - | D 5 2 - | F - - 9
- 9 - A | - C B 2 | - - F - | D 0 - 7
- - - 2 | 1 - 3 - | - 9 - 6 | A E 8 -
- 5 B - | D F 9 6 | 4 - - 0 | - - - -
_____________________________________
- - 1 9 | - - - - | F - 4 2 | 3 - 7 -
- D - F | - 4 7 E | - 1 - - | 0 - C 5
E A 4 7 | - 1 - 8 | - C - - | - D 6 F
- 8 - C | - 9 F 5 | E - - - | 1 - A B
_____________________________________
1 - - 5 | 0 - - 7 | B A - - | 8 - 4 D
0 - F - | - 8 5 - | 6 4 7 - | - 2 - -
A 6 - - | E - - - | - F - 1 | - 5 3 C
- - 9 D | B - - - | - - C 8 | - A - 6
_____________________________________
D 3 5 - | 7 0 - 4 | C - - - | - B - -
- C E - | - - 8 - | - B 1 4 | 5 7 2 A
- - 2 - | 5 E C 3 | 8 - 6 - | - 1 F -
8 4 - - | - B 2 1 | 0 - E 5 | - C - -


EDIT: Sudoku style changed with Eugen's clearer one.
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eugen_cosmarul
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hey
posted June 18, 2008 07:59 PM
Edited by eugen_cosmarul at 18:57, 19 Jun 2008.

It was a little challenging but....


3 1 0 4 | 8 7 E A | D 5 2 C | F 6 B 9
6 9 8 A | 4 C B 2 | 1 3 F E | D 0 5 7
C F D 2 | 1 5 3 0 | 7 9 B 6 | A E 8 4
7 5 B E | D F 9 6 | 4 8 A 0 | C 3 1 2
_____________________________________
5 0 1 9 | C A D B | F 6 4 2 | 3 8 7 E
B D 6 F | 2 4 7 E | A 1 8 3 | 0 9 C 5
E A 4 7 | 3 1 0 8 | 9 C 5 B | 2 D 6 F
2 8 3 C | 6 9 F 5 | E 0 D 7 | 1 4 A B
_____________________________________
1 E C 5 | 0 2 6 7 | B A 3 9 | 8 F 4 D
0 B F 3 | A 8 5 C | 6 4 7 D | E 2 9 1
A 6 7 8 | E D 4 9 | 2 F 0 1 | B 5 3 C
4 2 9 D | B 3 1 F | 5 E C 8 | 7 A 0 6
_____________________________________
D 3 5 1 | 7 0 A 4 | C 2 9 F | 6 B E 8
F C E 0 | 9 6 8 D | 3 B 1 4 | 5 7 2 A
9 7 2 B | 5 E C 3 | 8 D 6 A | 4 1 F 0
8 4 A 6 | F B 2 1 | 0 7 E 5 | 9 C D 3


EDIT: No more today, my mind needs rest.
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Asheera
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posted June 18, 2008 08:08 PM
Edited by Asheera at 13:00, 19 Jun 2008.

@eugen - I like your new Sudoku design

I have a new 'special' Sudoku: it's called Sudoku Mosaic and, in addition to the normal rules, has one more: There are no adjacent cells from the same group. The groups are as following: Small (1,2,3), Medium (4,5,6) and Big (7,8,9). In other words, you can't have a 1 near a 2 or 3, a 4 near a 5 or 6 and so on...

NOTE: adjacent means only cells that share the same edge. A diagonal cell is NOT adjacent.

- - - | - 1 - | - - -
- 7 - | - - - | - - -
- - - | - - - | - - -
_____________________
- - - | - 9 2 | 6 - -
- - - | - - 6 | - - 9
- - 6 | - - - | - - 1
_____________________
- - - | - - 4 | - - -
- - - | - 5 8 | - 6 -
- - - | - - - | - - -



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TheDeath
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posted June 19, 2008 11:20 AM

I was lazy, took the easy one

5 4 6 | 9 2 1 | 8 7 3
2 3 1 | 8 7 6 | 5 9 4
7 8 9 | 4 3 5 | 2 6 1
_____________________
9 1 5 | 6 8 2 | 3 4 7
6 2 8 | 7 4 3 | 9 1 5
4 7 3 | 5 1 9 | 6 8 2
_____________________
8 5 7 | 2 9 4 | 1 3 6
3 9 2 | 1 6 7 | 4 5 8
1 6 4 | 3 5 8 | 7 2 9


The following Sudoku, according to wikipedia, is "exceptionally difficult" and "Most would describe them as unsolvable after exhausting their arsenal of sudoku solving techniques and would proceed to a trial and error path to reach a solution."

1 - - | - - - | - - 2
- 9 - | 4 - - | - 5 -
- - 6 | - - - | 7 - -
_____________________
- 5 - | 9 - 3 | - - -
- - - | - 7 - | - - -
- - - | 8 5 - | - 4 -
_____________________
7 - - | - - - | 6 - -
- 3 - | - - 9 | - 8 -
- - 2 | - - - | - - 1


I don't know how hard this is, because you can 'guess' the correct number on the first try and solve it fast -- but that doesn't mean it's easy just because you were lucky.

Oh and one more thing: Don't cheat!

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Asheera
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posted June 19, 2008 11:43 AM

@Death: That Sudoku is really impossible to do with logic
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posted June 19, 2008 11:47 AM

Gave up so fast

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Asheera
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posted June 19, 2008 08:30 PM

Sudoku for everyone

7 Sudokus with a different difficulty each. The first is the easiest and it gets harder until it reaches the last one.


- 3 4 | - - 5 | 6 1 8
- - - | 1 7 8 | 3 4 -
2 8 1 | - - 3 | - 5 -
_____________________
8 2 6 | - 5 7 | - - 4
5 - - | 8 1 9 | - - 3
1 - - | 2 4 - | 7 8 5
_____________________
- 5 - | 7 - - | 4 2 9
- 7 9 | 6 8 2 | - - -
3 1 2 | 5 - - | 8 7 -



1 - 7 | 4 8 - | - - -
- - - | 9 - - | 5 4 3
3 - 9 | 6 - - | 7 - -
_____________________
5 9 - | - 4 - | - 6 2
- 6 - | 3 2 9 | - 8 -
2 8 - | - 1 - | - 3 7
_____________________
- - 5 | - - 4 | 3 - 1
8 3 2 | - - 7 | - - -
- - - | - 3 5 | 8 - 9



2 - - | 3 - - | 8 - -
6 7 - | 9 - - | 4 - -
5 - - | 7 2 - | 1 - -
_____________________
- 3 - | 1 9 2 | - 4 -
4 1 - | - - - | - 6 9
- 8 - | 6 5 4 | - 3 -
_____________________
- - 9 | - 8 3 | - - 2
- - 4 | - - 9 | - 1 5
- - 7 | - - 1 | - - 4



7 - - | 3 - - | - 5 -
6 8 - | 2 - - | - 1 -
4 - - | 1 8 - | - 9 -
_____________________
- - 2 | - 7 - | 8 - -
- - 8 | 9 - 5 | 6 - -
- - 4 | - 1 - | 3 - -
_____________________
- 1 - | - 9 8 | - - 4
- 5 - | - - 1 | - 6 2
- 4 - | - - 6 | - - 7



- - - | 5 - - | - 1 -
- - 7 | 6 - - | - 3 -
2 - 9 | 4 - - | - 5 -
_____________________
6 - 4 | - 7 - | - - -
5 - - | - 4 - | - - 8
- - - | - 3 - | 5 - 2
_____________________
- 3 - | - - 2 | 6 - 4
- 1 - | - - 9 | 3 - -
- 8 - | - - 4 | - - -



5 - - | - - 1 | - 8 -
- - - | - 4 7 | - 9 -
1 - - | - - - | - 6 -
_____________________
- - 7 | 8 - - | 5 - -
- - 6 | - 3 - | 4 - -
- - 9 | - - 2 | 1 - -
_____________________
- 4 - | - - - | - - 3
- 2 - | 1 6 - | - - -
- 8 - | 3 - - | - - 2



- - 7 | - - - | - - 5
- - 8 | - - - | 9 4 -
- - - | 6 1 3 | - - -
_____________________
1 9 - | - - - | - - -
8 - - | 5 - 7 | - - 3
- - - | - - - | - 5 2
_____________________
- - - | 9 2 8 | - - -
- 5 4 | - - - | 7 - -
3 - - | - - - | 6 - -


And don't forget the Sudoku Mosaic in one of my above posts, which is pretty hard btw

Have fun!
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homm3megejas
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posted July 21, 2008 04:24 PM

Mosaic:

9 6 2 + 4 1 5 + 7 3 8
1 7 4 + 2 8 3 + 5 9 6
8 5 3 + 7 6 9 + 1 4 2
+ + + + + + + + + + +
3 8 5 + 1 9 2 + 6 7 4
4 1 7 + 5 3 6 + 8 2 9
2 9 6 + 8 4 7 + 3 5 1
+ + + + + + + + + + +
5 3 8 + 6 2 4 + 9 1 7
7 4 1 + 9 5 8 + 2 6 3
6 2 9 + 3 7 1 + 4 8 5


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posted July 21, 2008 05:10 PM

Hard?Meh.


2 1 7 | 4 8 9 | 3 5 5
6 3 8 | 2 7 5 | 9 4 1
5 4 9 | 6 1 3 | 2 8 7
_____________________
1 9 5 | 8 3 2 | 4 7 6
8 2 6 | 5 4 7 | 1 9 3
4 7 3 | 1 9 6 | 8 5 2
_____________________
7 6 1 | 9 2 8 | 5 3 4
9 5 4 | 3 6 1 | 7 2 8
3 8 2 | 7 5 4 | 6 1 9

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posted July 21, 2008 08:00 PM
Edited by Asheera at 20:07, 21 Jul 2008.

Now this is a really difficult Sudoku. It has the same basic rules (+ diagonals!), only that there are five Sudoku games present, and one of them overlaps the other four. You have to complete all free cells of all five, without breaking any rule respective to each Sudoku. The one that overlaps is delimited with red lines.

Now, what does the diagonals rule mean? Well, nothing special, only that you can't repeat the same number on the main diagonals (in addition to the normal rules). Here, an example of what the main diagonals mean:

- - - - - - - - -
 \             /
- - - - - - - - -
   \         /
- - - - - - - - -
     \     /
- - - - - - - - -
       \ /
- - - - - - - - -
       / \
- - - - - - - - -
     /     \
- - - - - - - - -
   /         \
- - - - - - - - -
 /             \
- - - - - - - - -


Note that all five Sudokus have their own diagonals!


And now, behold!

 ___________________________________     ___________________________________
|
9 | 1 | 2 | - | - | - | - | - | - |   | - | - | - | 3 | - | 6 | - | - | - |
|
___________________________________|   |___________________________________|
|
- | - | - | - | 7 | - | - | - | - |   | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 5 | - |
|
___________________________________|   |___________________________________|
|
- | - | - | - | 5 | - | - | 1 | - |   | - | - | 5 | - | - | - | - | 4 | - |
|___________________________________|   |___________________________________|
|
- | 8 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |   | - | - | - | - | - | - | 6 | - | - |
|
___________________________________|   |___________________________________|
|
- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |   | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
|
___________________________________________________________________________|
|
- | - | - | - | - | 5 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 8 |
|____________________________________
_______________________________________|
|
- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 2 | - | - | - | 1 | 8 | - | - | - | - | - |
|
___________________________________________________________________________|
|
- | - | - | - | - | 4 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 3 | - |
|
___________________________________________________________________________|
|
- | - | - | - | - | - | 7 | 9 | - | - | 6 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
|____________________________________
_______________________________________|
                    |
2 | - | - | - | - | 7 | - | - | - |
 ____________________________________
_______________________________________
|
- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
|
___________________________________________________________________________|
|
- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 8 | - | - | 3 | - | - | - | - | - |
|
___________________________________________________________________________|
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4 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | 3 | - | - | 9 | - | - | - | - | - |
|____________________________________
_______________________________________|
|
- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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___________________________________________________________________________|
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |   | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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___________________________________|   |___________________________________|
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- | - | - | - | 5 | - | - | - | - |   | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
|___________________________________|   |___________________________________|
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1 | - | - | - | 7 | - | - | 9 | - |   | - | 7 | - | - | 5 | 2 | - | 4 | - |
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___________________________________|   |___________________________________|
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | 8 | 2 |   | - | 5 | - | - | 6 | - | 7 | - | - |
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___________________________________|   |___________________________________|
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6 | - | 3 | - | 2 | - | - | - | - |   | - | - | - | - | - | - | 2 | - | 3 |
|___________________________________|   |___________________________________|


If you can't see it right, Copy&Paste it in Notepad (assuming the Notepad font has a fixed width)
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posted July 26, 2008 12:43 PM

I really don't like Soduku. Whenever I try to do them, the numbers are just in the wrong places and it never works out. They always annoy me.
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