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watcher83
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Child of Malassa
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posted July 01, 2008 01:36 PM |
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If we started talking about demons being overpowered it's clear that the community has run out of topics.
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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted July 01, 2008 01:45 PM |
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and what is worst he thinks that having human as an opponent doesn't change much.
What has human got to do with creeping early game (week 1)? 
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Zwok
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 01, 2008 01:49 PM |
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I should mention that he survives with one imp that has 1hp. If the demon had not gated or the gremlins did one more dmg he'd lose. That's effective but as unreliable as it gets.
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And last when you are talking about Sylvan you are talking about Ossir or Wyngaal, when you are talking about Haven you are talking about Vittorio or Dougal, why should Inferno be different? I'm not convinced that Nymus or Grok would do worse then Deleb.
In most of the Inferno games I played my hero was Grok, having teleport at level one is just madness in my opinion.
I mean exactly what I write. Now about the quote: No I am not talking about specific heroes when addressing a faction. If I do I state it clearly. Considering that Deleb won with 1hp it's blatantly obvious that the others would lose and chances are they would not get warmachines from lvl up. Plus they'd have to build blacksmith than something else that sucks.
Grok might have done something but with bad casualties.
If you watch the replay carefully you would notice I misplaced one of my Imps and moved him to a position where he could get hit while I could move him into a different place. If not that I would have 2 imps alive :/ Quite reliable if you ask me. Lets totaly forget about creeping and focus on a real game, first person to show me a Barbarian Vs Inferno win on a map with lvl 1 or lvl 2 town without a bunch of gold mines next to your main city wins a cookie from me! (something tells me that wont happen  )
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and what is worst he thinks that having human as an opponent doesn't change much.
an surviving with one imp is not reliable at all and it's very very hard to estimate amount of imps before fight, less imps you may lose more you may have more casualties and 6 + 1 means no hidden stack, so not usable at all in real game.
and about 40 vs 120 it's hard to believe for me that 40 weeks hound will one shot 120 weeks of angels or paladins, but meh could care less.
Enemy hero has no mana so it doesn’t matter if he’s a human player or not, right? The AI was smart enough to at least cast prayers and divine guidance (In the artifact test he used melee attack because of the lion set -2 morale after each basic hit). The enemy units were completely surrounded because of the gated stacks, only the Griffons could move, the Archangels skipped first turn so did the Paladins. Paladins and Angels were severely damaged because of 3 huge Fire Hound stacks (I used phantom forces on the gated stack) with Hellfire. First turn the Angels killed the Arch Devils and Nightmares. After that the Hounds and Demons did enough damage to the Paladins and Angels to forget about them and started poking the shooters which were blocked by Imps. No matter what a human player would do he’s just a tin can that’s served to Inferno. Perhaps if i didnt get instant gating and got Master of Mind it would be even easier, who knows.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted July 01, 2008 01:54 PM |
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Right, cause a human player would not try to get swift mind or attack before week 3-4, nooo  As for doubting the possibility of win for orcs vs inferno it's - excuse me - silly.
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted July 01, 2008 01:54 PM |
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Inferno is the perfect faction vs orcs.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted July 01, 2008 01:56 PM |
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It's an excellent choice to be sure but such statements are akin to haven is imba.
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kermit
Known Hero
Soul hunter
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posted July 01, 2008 02:00 PM |
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Funny thread keep it going 
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Zwok
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 01, 2008 02:00 PM |
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Edited by Zwok at 14:01, 01 Jul 2008.
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Right, cause a human player would not try to get swift mind or attack before week 3-4, nooo As for doubting the possibility of win for orcs vs inferno it's - excuse me - silly.
What does swift mind and attack have to do with any of this ?
If you are so sure of orc>inferno give me a replay
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted July 01, 2008 02:01 PM |
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Take a wild guess 
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forest001
Known Hero
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posted July 01, 2008 02:06 PM |
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and what is worst he thinks that having human as an opponent doesn't change much.
What has human got to do with creeping early game (week 1)?
nothing, i was referring to that:
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To be honest the testing I did with 40vs80 and 40vs120 weeks was vs AI but even if it was a human player absoloutly nothing would change.
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted July 01, 2008 02:06 PM |
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Agalloch
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 01, 2008 02:07 PM |
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I recon inferno can be quite boring since the most common tactic it to get Deleb and get your balista on all the creeps. No way are they overpowered though. Maybe you just need to work on your tactics a bit more?
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Zwok
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 01, 2008 02:10 PM |
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I recon inferno can be quite boring since the most common tactic it to get Deleb and get your balista on all the creeps. No way are they overpowered though. Maybe you just need to work on your tactics a bit more?
=0 Im quite happy with my tactics winning most duels on ubisoft and finishing heroic campaign.
!!!This thread is 4 pages long and theres wasnt even ONE single fact of inferno not being imba, all I see is words about sylvan and haven being so kewl but no actual fact that inferno is any worse. If EVERYONE is convinced that Inferno is handicapped post your replays or atleast write some facts
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted July 01, 2008 02:14 PM |
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For the record there was not much room for playing inferno in the campaigns  And duels are a joke - I'm not saying that in a derisive tone in case you misunderstood me.
And damn you samiekl why must you break my arguments like that?? 
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Cleave
Promising
Famous Hero
Raging Blood
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posted July 01, 2008 02:16 PM |
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To be honest the testing I did with 40vs80 and 40vs120 weeks was vs AI but even if it was a human player absoloutly nothing would change.
That's a good one. Is that guy for real?
Anyway, life is too short to argue on such a point. I'll just sit back and enjoy the show.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted July 01, 2008 02:17 PM |
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Wise decision 
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Agalloch
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 01, 2008 02:18 PM |
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-joins in-
anything else someone would like to add?^.^
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Zwok
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 01, 2008 02:21 PM |
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I just did a fight against myself through multiplayer hotseat. Vittorio Vs Grok, Vittorio won and he had like 27 adept, 50 griffons, 8 paladins and 3 arch angels alive after the battle was finished. It was 10 weeks vs 10 weeks battle and vittorio had triple flaming ballista, grok didnt have war machines. both heroes were lvl 19. I just owned myself 
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zamrai
Adventuring Hero
Moonlight Melody
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posted July 01, 2008 02:21 PM |
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Hey guys, keep on arguing, please. It was quite a show
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I just owned myself
let this be the point 
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Cleave
Promising
Famous Hero
Raging Blood
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posted July 01, 2008 02:22 PM |
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-joins in-
anything else someone would like to add?^.^
Yes, a link for a far better thread:
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=24606&pagenumber=1
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