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Thread: Have you ever tried martial arts? Facts and myths about MAs. This thread is 35 pages long: 1 10 20 ... 21 22 23 24 25 ... 30 35 · «PREV / NEXT»
Doomforge
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posted December 26, 2011 01:25 PM

@Bak,

First of all, if you simply want to DEFEND yourself, forget about years of learning stuff, training and working on your body to be able to. Because... it doesn't work.

Two-three guys, if determined, will kick your @ss even if you are a really good boxer or grappler, or even MMA fighter. So will a single armed guy (with, say, a knife, which is often used by muggers).

Training takes years, costs a lot of money and effort, and is arguably weak against COMMON mug situations (i.e. 2-3 guys or an armed guy taking you by surprise).

Instead, you may want to buy a telescopic baton, and a pepper spray. Those two combined will actually work much better. pepper spray is legal in most countries and actually WORKS against multiple opponents (ofc not a swarm, but 2-3 guys). After using it, they will scream and cry at the pavement for next 15-20 mins because of intense burning/blindness, leaving you a lot time to GTFO.

Baton's good when the wind is too strong, or if the pepper spray doesn't work (happens to some people). A single hit is usually strong enough to break a bone (don't aim for the head, it can kill - best to hit the legs) and comes with a range advantage. DON'T HESITATE to use it if you pull it out, don't try to make threats. If you pull it out, use it immediately without giving the muggers time to act. They may also have "a last resort tool" which can turn pretty nasty if you allow them. Also, learn how to draw and ready it quickly not to lose precious seconds. Keep in mind that iron tip of the baton is illegal in some countries (not the baton itself, but USING it is). You can either take rubber one (legal, but weaker) or use the iron one only in extreme crisis (better to have problems with the court rather than getting beat or even killed).

Don't use knives. They kill. Most of the time you will mortally wound a guy in a chaotic stab. Under stress, people don't think clearly. Don't expect yourself to use a knife without risking a guy's life. Better to avoid it altogether.

MAs aren't really good for self-defense in mug situations. They are more of a hobby for people who like it. Want to defend yourself, get the strongest legal tool you can use (that doesn't have a high risk of killing a guy). Works better, is cheap, and doesn't take years of practice.

Of course, I encourage you to try MAs just for fun, it's great!


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posted December 26, 2011 06:21 PM

In some countries, where there is no police "virtually" , buying softair weapons is a good choice. They look like weapons and can shoot less leathal projectiles. Very good imo against mugs. The shots do hurt especially when aimed.They are usually legal.
Teasers are also good options,but against one person.


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posted January 05, 2012 11:13 AM

How ironic. The good old times people used to carry their sword, not much has changed eh?
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posted January 05, 2012 11:37 AM

People nowadays are pussies...
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posted January 11, 2012 10:43 PM

Landing chokes and locks in standing sparring feels so nice

Usually only happens on the ground.

Ryo-Te-Jime... eff yeah.



I bet I have that exact same expression. Look at that sadistic mofo.
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posted January 13, 2012 02:36 AM

I just realized none of you guys have any idea what you're talking about. Here is a fine example of how, if you're a true expert on martial arts and utilize the element of surprise well, you can easily take on up to three strong, armed thugs.
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posted January 24, 2012 02:40 AM

Taking two guys on?

You just have to be a Russian boxer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XQh_1meROg
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posted January 26, 2012 05:19 PM

This is some intense **** right here.
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posted March 07, 2012 12:45 AM

I really like this martial art.

I admire the footwork and how everything centers around getting inside your opponent's guard.
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posted March 09, 2012 11:49 PM

I have to correct the point where the OP said "killing moves are a myth", which is false.
I'm a medic and the human body is actually terribly weak and very prone to die in one hit even by an esile man - or at least going very close to death.

Few examples:
- a simple hit on the throat can kill a person of suffucation trauma, especially if the hit breaks the throat (which is likely to happen as the chartilage is soft).
- a simple hit on the neck or the spine can cause death (in the worst case) or paralysis.
- hit on the chest can cause cardiac arrest and consequential death.
- hit on the head can cause brain hemorrage, brain trauma, epilexia, coma... and straight-forward death.
- a simple hit on ears has a probability of causing brain hemorrage, which can cause death.

There are like 300 more but I don't want to bore you.
Killing moves do indeed exist and they work, but that's why we use protections.
The only reasons why you don't die when hit is that protections absorb most of the potential damage, you have medics in the vicinity in case something goes wrong, etc.
But if martial arts were fought bare-handed and you didn't have medical care in a matter of seconds, you'd hear of deaths everyday.

Just to say, we had a case of a bull-sized man killed by a woman slap.
A joke slap.

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posted March 10, 2012 01:47 PM

Quote:
- a simple hit on the throat can kill a person of suffucation trauma, especially if the hit breaks the throat (which is likely to happen as the chartilage is soft).

That one is scary, very vulnerable spot.

Was thinking about that yesterday and was gonna make a reply to this thread about it.

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posted March 11, 2012 11:50 AM

Amusingly this is one of the first spots I aim for when I spar with someone. A light tap there can daze you nicely.

One of our captains in the army wanted me to try aikido on him, after a fruitless exchange of fast and light blows which I had trouble applying techniques on(and went for fast and light blows myself ) I asked him to throw a straight punch at my chest. An arm lock immobilized him and I saved face Today he was asking for another spar soon after I woke up, needless to say I told him it was too early for that ^^
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posted March 11, 2012 07:48 PM

Aikido is great as long as you've actually trained with boxers and wrestlers so that you know how to apply the techniques in the proper situation. There is a very very tiny chance you will be attacked by another person doing aikido, so what will you do when you're then attacked by, say, a boxer.

On another note, I've started teaching my girl some joint locks and manipulations .. and she think it's loads of fun being able to control me that way. Women should really learn martial arts, kick-ass girls are hot
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posted March 15, 2012 10:46 PM
Edited by Falconian at 22:47, 15 Mar 2012.

Quote:
Quote:
- a simple hit on the throat can kill a person of suffucation trauma, especially if the hit breaks the throat (which is likely to happen as the chartilage is soft).

That one is scary, very vulnerable spot.

Was thinking about that yesterday and was gonna make a reply to this thread about it.


Yeah I think people should be more aware of the fragility of the human body.
They see boxers punching themselves away like nothing, they see dragon ball and they think we can stand anything.

But as I said very little effort, strength or ability is necessary to kill a person.
And as a general rule, the older you are the more the above is true.
Chartilage and bones become weaker, physical and chemical reaction to deadly occurrences are insufficient to non-existent.

Considering this and from experience, it's obvious that any art focused on dodging/parrying/deflecting hits (baji, karate, kung-fu) is a lot more likely to give you the edge in real life, whereas in sports where you have protection the most violent, guard-based techniques tend to be the most effective (thai, boxe, etc).

This is even more true because during a fight adrenaline will absorb most of the damage detection, so the fight will only really end after a serious injury.

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posted March 26, 2012 01:04 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 13:06, 26 Mar 2012.

Quote:
I have to correct the point where the OP said "killing moves are a myth", which is false.
I'm a medic and the human body is actually terribly weak and very prone to die in one hit even by an esile man - or at least going very close to death.

Few examples:
- a simple hit on the throat can kill a person of suffucation trauma, especially if the hit breaks the throat (which is likely to happen as the chartilage is soft).
- a simple hit on the neck or the spine can cause death (in the worst case) or paralysis.
- hit on the chest can cause cardiac arrest and consequential death.
- hit on the head can cause brain hemorrage, brain trauma, epilexia, coma... and straight-forward death.
- a simple hit on ears has a probability of causing brain hemorrage, which can cause death.

There are like 300 more but I don't want to bore you.
Killing moves do indeed exist and they work, but that's why we use protections.
The only reasons why you don't die when hit is that protections absorb most of the potential damage, you have medics in the vicinity in case something goes wrong, etc.
But if martial arts were fought bare-handed and you didn't have medical care in a matter of seconds, you'd hear of deaths everyday.

Just to say, we had a case of a bull-sized man killed by a woman slap.
A joke slap.



Killing moves don't exist, what you speak of is the trauma after being hit in a vulnerable spot. I never denied THAT. Of course you can hit someone in the throat and smash it making him choke to death. But is that a magical ninja killing move aka "I press my finger here and you die" ?  nope.

Also, the utility of moves that cause permanent damage? zero.

because:

Good luck hitting a moving guy's throat, especially if he holds the guard in a way boxers do.

Good luck learning such a move and practicing (on whom? who would agree to have the throat smashed?).  Google "Kano paradox" for more info.

And obviously, good luck living a nice, peaceful life after killing someone in a brawl.



Also, of course killing someone is easy and you don't need ninja moves or weird attacks on small areas - chokes are much easier. But why would you want to?

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posted April 25, 2012 12:44 PM

We got one of the judoka from our dojo to run with the olympic torch in London this year, pretty cool.
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posted April 25, 2012 04:31 PM

I faced off against Joonas and I have to admit that.. I need more work That was to be expected of course given how I had only gotten the "spark" just before I left for the army but the fact is that I am not ready to take on an experienced hitter yet. my use of taisabaki was rather limited when it should have been constant and while I could see the blows coming I could not be in a position that would instantly apply a technique the moment they came. I could have used some atemi to daze and then go for a technique but.. it didn't feel right doing that in a friendly match

I can't wait to resume my classes, my time in army grows shorter and shorter.
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Adrius
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posted April 25, 2012 04:47 PM

So he hit you but you didn't hit back?
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posted April 25, 2012 05:03 PM

That's exactly what I kept telling him to do!
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posted April 25, 2012 05:34 PM
Edited by Elvin at 18:23, 25 Apr 2012.

It's not like Joonas wasn't holding back either. I could tell he could put a lot more power behind his blows if he wanted.

Edit:

An interesting discussion: http://www.budoseek.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?7762-Aikido-vs-Boxers-Jab

And a video.
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