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posted January 03, 2009 09:28 PM |
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TheDeath will you stop being so ridicolously cheeky?
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yes indeed I know, it's hard for you to imagine such people exist in this degenerated day and age, but try to imagine... few are
Just because you think so much of yourself doesn't give you any right to look down on anyone, especially not people who know what they're talking about (like Warmonger on this particular subject). You've made a fool of yourself just fine in the "beauty" thread thingy so I think we don't need to start things over in this one.
Especially since this is about emilsn. And nothing else at this point. I think that out of respect for him you can drop the discussion and give him some advice, right? If you want to argue with me being offensive and what do I know just HCM me or something. But drop your morality stuff here, will you?
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posted January 03, 2009 09:37 PM |
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Just because you think so much of yourself doesn't give you any right to look down on anyone, especially not people who know what they're talking about (like Warmonger on this particular subject). You've made a fool of yourself just fine in the "beauty" thread thingy so I think we don't need to start things over in this one.
Especially since this is about emilsn. And nothing else at this point. I think that out of respect for him you can drop the discussion and give him some advice, right? If you want to argue with me being offensive and what do I know just HCM me or something. But drop your morality stuff here, will you?
Surprise surprise I wasn't even personal. Giving me advice for HCMs getting personal, which probably I won't need it.
No I don't look at the world "down". I look it from my perspective. If you haven't noticed RESPONSIBLE PARENTS (and mature might I add) have a lot more troubles these days 'keeping the children under control' (this includes drugs & stuff), not to mention "emo" trend which wasn't even present some time ago. Not to mention the sheer amount of literal stupidity (which is a measure of IQ) of some people in schools, but when you ask them what's new in fashion they answer correctly.
No, I'm sorry if I look down on THAT kind of world but yes, it's just my perspective. And when I think Einstein believed in the youth, he probably wasn't expecting this. People don't look that much inclined to his viewpoints anyway (don't tell me Einstein acted like this... please)
Everyone ignores much of it, they say it happens. No it doesn't. It happens because of stuff which isn't "obvious", like I mentioned above.
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posted January 03, 2009 09:38 PM |
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Nature put it for reproduction. Nature is smart, it has specific purposes. It is rational in its own way.
I worship the theory of evolution, if that clarifies something. I know it all has a purpose, moreover it SHOULD. For me it makes more sense than any belief or morality.
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What we do is called "abuse"
What you do, Mr Death 
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The more I read you, the more you sound like a macho guy
Then I guess we are both wrong.
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posted January 03, 2009 09:40 PM |
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I worship the theory of evolution, if that clarifies something. I know it all has a purpose, moreover it SHOULD. For me it makes more sense than any belief or morality.
So it's not natural. Nature does all for a reason. We do it for pleasure with no reason. We are less rational than nature.
Last I checked, condoms, pills, etc... aren't natural either.
So what was the point of the argument again?
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posted January 03, 2009 09:45 PM |
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I use "I" in every sentence knoingly. You use "we" in the sentences who are not true about me, actually they are absolutely other way round. Now I can ask what's the point 
Also, there is a difference between what I want, what I believe is right and what is actually possible and likely to happen.
Oh damn, just found out why I'm so unhappy. 
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posted January 03, 2009 09:52 PM |
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wait, wait...
You guys are idiots!
Emilsn puts forth the moral question whether he should continue with a girl he's having fun with, but doesn't love as much as he could and all you do is derail about virginity?
(there's a thread about that by the way...)
Maybe I just care too much about things like that... *tries to stop thinking romantically*
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posted January 03, 2009 09:55 PM |
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I don't feel like a best advisor in this matter for sure.
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Emilsn puts forth the moral question whether he should continue with a girl he's having fun with, but doesn't love as much as he could
I don't know how much you love her and how much does she love you. I do not think in moral categories neither. All I can say: It's worth a try!
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posted January 03, 2009 10:18 PM |
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I use "I" in every sentence knoingly. You use "we" in the sentences who are not true about me, actually they are absolutely other way round. Now I can ask what's the point
"We" = humans (on the general/average scale) mate 
You know, like saying "We are so greedy and destroy everything" even if I'm not (or neither you), but talking in general. Can't believe I'm arguing over this
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posted January 03, 2009 10:43 PM |
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as much as this suprise you death,love is emotion,and not reationall thing,not everything must be reationall.
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posted January 03, 2009 10:47 PM |
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There was this quote I've seen once: "Love is for humans. Sex is for animals."
Love is an emotion, a feeling. Not a 'pleasure'. Most certainly, not doing it for pleasure's sake. You actually have to CARE for the one you love, not because of pleasure. Even if it would make you feel bad. Otherwise, it's not love.
Love is what a father has to his son. That is what love should be in considered in couples too. It has that ONE definition. That's what love is. See the difference?
Love has one definition. There's no such thing as "that's a different kind of love". It's just that in couples, you also have attraction, but it isn't love itself. So you have love + attraction.
Even though I don't agree with the quote, since I would say "Reproduction is for animals" (well humans too, but you don't want to have a child every year right, like most animals? )
And for goodness' sake, if you would live up with your partner until you become a grandpa (unlikely, again in this "degenerating" world, where divorce is more and more common, so yeah I DO HAVE points about it), and you would still care about your wife like your son (attraction gets lost by that point), then you can call it love.
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posted January 03, 2009 10:57 PM |
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posted January 03, 2009 11:01 PM |
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Oh my goodness what are you doing to this thread
Send in the marines mods to the rescue!
emilsn - go for it, don't let such puny matters distract you 
You'll regret it afterwards if you won't try
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posted January 03, 2009 11:03 PM |
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i found atleast 5 things to disagree one but im not mvs,so i wont qoute:
love is emotion,but emotions can bring pleasure,since pleasure is also an emotion?
you gota go with the flow death, you know,be more spontenues.
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posted January 03, 2009 11:09 PM |
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Oh my goodness what are you doing to this thread
Send in the marines mods to the rescue!
Isn't this thread titled "What is Love?" 
Sorry if I just explained what it is. (IMO)
There's a difference between emotion and pleasure. And there's a difference between fun and pleasure. Emotions may bring pleasure, doesn't mean they are pleasure. If you can imagine, an AI doesn't have pleasures, just fun (so yes technically, it can have 'entertainment'). Because pleasure is just ultimately NATURE'S WILL, not yours! So you are irrational for falling to it, unless you want what nature wants (i.e reproduction), you are falling for its will. I'm sorry but I think that's weak minded.
As for Love, look at it like this. Does a father loves his son? Is that love?
There's only ONE definition of love. What happens in couples is a combination of love + attraction (or lust, for those less 'gentlemen'). Anyway, the point is, if you can last until you're a grandpa and STILL loving your wife, most probably it was not attraction/lust/pleasure but TRUE LOVE that dominated the relationship, AS IT SHOULD BE.
That's what love is. Like a parent-child relationship. Some parents even sacrifice for their kids. Is that how you look at your "wife" (or let's say, woman, since you may not be married)?
If not, it simply isn't love. Sure you may not go as extreme but you get the point.
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posted January 03, 2009 11:14 PM |
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wow, Death, I made the same point about love some time ago, in a different topic Yeah, that's how I see it too. The "difference" in love towards parent and towards wife is just because the latter has an extra additions of lust, attraction or whatever.
But the feeling stays the same.
Also, I don't believe young people like us know much about it.
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posted January 03, 2009 11:18 PM |
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Anyway, that "difference" is not part of love itself
I may not know what I'm talking about since I may be a bit young, my grandpa (and dad) sure know though
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posted January 03, 2009 11:22 PM |
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Because pleasure is just ultimately NATURE'S WILL, not yours!
Because emotions are completely your will, right?
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posted January 03, 2009 11:24 PM |
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No, but emotions are for YOU. That is, it characterizes you. Pleasure is like humans did with a shark "mind control" -- make him sense food in a certain direction (through some chip I guess) and he'll go there. You don't actually control his mind, you just give him a reason to go somewhere.
But overall it's still mind-control.
Emotions are not. If you feel sad, for example, you have deep thoughts about it. You may even contemplate and analyze that situation. You aren't "mind controlled" so to speak.
You can resist mind control with your will though, especially in this day and age when you even KNOW what causes it and its source.
I'm pretty sure the shark would resist it if it knew what it was
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posted January 03, 2009 11:38 PM |
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posted January 03, 2009 11:54 PM |
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Hmm... not sure how to explain.
The difference between happiness/enjoyness and pleasure?
Playing computer games ain't pleasure. It's entertainment/enjoyness/happiness, for example.
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