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posted January 09, 2009 09:45 AM

Haha - Awesome way to say it MM

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posted January 09, 2009 09:59 AM
Edited by gabislayer at 10:13, 09 Jan 2009.

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Have you even read the entire thread before making silly assumptions? As for Mightymage, good work dude. Let's hope that this time nothing goes wrong.


Don't be naive.

First of all, love is a complex feeling, just like hate. Second of all, it's something personal, it's something you share with someone, you don't just go on some forum and tell everyone that you've found love just because you've managed to get some "duda's" pants off. Love involves a lot more than that.
   And third, love is beggining to slowly disappear. It's something very rare these days and you won't find it at every corner.

   So make the difference between love ... and plain primitive reproductive instinct.
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posted January 09, 2009 10:14 AM

Hey! Gabi's back!
Why are yous till alive?
Wussy. :bad:

Love, complex?
Perhaps.

Hate, complex?
No way, dude.
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posted January 09, 2009 10:35 AM

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Hey! Gabi's back!
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Wussy. :bad:

Love, complex?
Perhaps.

Hate, complex?
No way, dude.


Maybe I am not still alive ...

Love and hate are two extreme feelings and yes, they are both complex.


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posted January 09, 2009 10:38 AM

A ghoul in HC.
That would be cool.

I can grasp how love can be complex.
Mind explaining how hate is complex?
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posted January 09, 2009 11:20 AM

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A ghoul in HC.
That would be cool.

I can grasp how love can be complex.
Mind explaining how hate is complex?


Ok, just because something is 'despicable' and nobody wants to hear about it just because it's a 'baaad thing', doesn't automatically make it something trivial.

Love and hate are antonyms, but they both have substance. It's like birth and death. Everybody get's excited about birth and life, but when it comes to death, nobody wants to hear about it. Why ? We will all die, it's something natural, it's something certain, it will happen with a probability of 100% , why should we be afraid of death ? Because we know nothing about it !

As so with love and hate. As a matter of fact, I can say that HATE, and all it's subfeelings, are more predominant in the world, perhaps it has always been like this ... why ? Because we are primitive.

But hate, as love, can be controled mentally. I can personally can say, that I will always hate some individuals in my life, for different reasons. I accept this and I am not a hypocrite.

But, both love and hate have proved to be VERY tiring for me at some point. So ... I ended up ignoring them. But I don't deny them.

So, if you still believe that hate isn't something complex, you can go to wikipedia, for example, and type in Joseph Stalin or Lenin. Read about them and I will guarantee that you will begin to see life a little different. You can read through all the history of human kind and end up to the same conclusion ... people are primitive, hate and it's relative feelings, like greed, anger, indifference, pointless lust, the need to dominate and control the one next to you, the desire to become a god,  are something human, it's part of our genetic definition. The only difference is in the fact that some of us realize that and try to control it more, and thus trying to become something better than a primitive neanderthal.

I am not saying that hate is good, but I don't deny it. So with love, we shouldn't make it something trivial, like 'how many chicks I've nailed this week ?', because it's not.
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posted January 09, 2009 11:24 AM

Who is this guy lol?
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posted January 09, 2009 11:38 AM

The whole HC is probably going to bash me for making this post.

I don't think hate is despicable or necessarily a bad thing. It has been necessary and useful in the past. Might come in handy in the future again, who knows? Currently it's not much of a use though.

Actually a lot of people want to hear about death. The whole idea opf religion is based on people wanting to hear about death. My father has a saying similar to yours: "Death rate is 100%." It tells the absolute truth. I'm not afraid of death btw. Not yet. I haven't been close enought to it to be really afraid of it.

Hate isn't actually predominant in the modern world anymore. Greed is. And in the time of cold war fear was. Before that hate was. One could say we have evolved in a way.

I think everyone hates something. Those who deny it are just fools not in touch with themselves.

"greed, anger, indifference, pointless lust, the need to dominate and control the one next to you, the desire to become a god" I only see anger as a subemotion for hate here. Rest are different emotions or under different emotions.

Oh, I've pretty much learned steely's and everyone's loved corporal's bios in and out. And a lot more about what they did.

But this still hasn't made hate a complex emotion. I think you might have misunderstood the word. Hate is by no means trivial. But hate is primitive and simple.

And all emotions can be controlled. Even anger and lust, which, btw. are harder to control than love and hate because they are immediate. I'm pretty much expert on that area.

Indeed. That is not love. That's bragging. Love is a completely different thing.
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posted January 09, 2009 11:50 AM

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The whole HC is probably going to bash me for making this post.



No they will bash me

I actully for the first time felt that you, Gabislayer, said something useful - I am not sure if I agree with you totally - but you still have some good points - but I still think you think way to primitiv and narrowminded.

Atleast I am sick of the definition: Love / hate - I know they are contra effects - but there is something in between, there have to be - Life is not black and white.. We got colors .. and life is what you make it, put colors in and you get something in between Love/hate ..
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posted January 09, 2009 12:16 PM
Edited by gabislayer at 12:28, 09 Jan 2009.

If you think that I am primitive and narrowminded ... I think, that you should probably search those words in the dictionary.

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We got colors .. and life is what you make it, put colors in and you get something in between Love/hate ..


These are semi-digested clishees ... "life is what you make it ?". Really ?? You can be the next Einsten times 10, if you will be born in a country with no educational perspectives, with war and famine as daily issues ... I don't think ... life ... is WHAT you MAKE IT.

As for me, I like extremes, I like either black or white ... I tend towards black. I believe that only in extremes you can find the essence of something. You either love someone or you hate someone, there is nothing in between, if there is ... well, then that's called personal interest. There should be NO personal interest in love.

But probably this is just utopian. The reallity is something different and I am aware of that ... but I can't accept it.

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posted January 09, 2009 01:03 PM

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Hate isn't actually predominant in the modern world anymore. Greed is. And in the time of cold war fear was. Before that hate was. One could say we have evolved in a way.


I normally dont post on the OSM Board, but this was kind of precise and sharp minded!! Congrats. Peeps should reread this sentence to get the historical point and make up their mind.

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I don't think hate is despicable or necessarily a bad thing.


I disagree. There is NO good in hate. Hate just makes YOUR life less worth, NOT of the ones you hate. Im lucky, i could forgive everyone i once hated. Of course there are things some might could never forgive, but try as hard to do so, to make YOUR life better.


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posted January 09, 2009 01:16 PM
Edited by gabislayer at 13:29, 09 Jan 2009.

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The whole HC is probably going to bash me for making this post.
"greed, anger, indifference, pointless lust, the need to dominate and control the one next to you, the desire to become a god" I only see anger as a subemotion for hate here. Rest are different emotions or under different emotions.



  I wouldn't say that, because they can be indirectly related.

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posted January 09, 2009 01:30 PM

Xarfax, not all people are brain dead, you know?

As I said hate isn't really much of a use in modern times. But if we go back some thousand years it was useful. Hating the enemy who comes to pillage your village is a lot more useful than loving them.

Gabi, those feelings can be caused by hate but they can also be emotions independent of it. That means they aren't subemotions to it. They can sometimes be traced back to it, that's all.
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posted January 09, 2009 01:51 PM
Edited by gabislayer at 14:29, 09 Jan 2009.

There would be much to say about this, and references to all our history should be made, but I don't think this is the place.
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posted January 09, 2009 02:07 PM

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I don't think hate is despicable or necessarily a bad thing.


I disagree. There is NO good in hate. Hate just makes YOUR life less worth, NOT of the ones you hate. Im lucky, i could forgive everyone i once hated. Of course there are things some might could never forgive, but try as hard to do so, to make YOUR life better.




My turn to disagree. Hate (directed towards a person you see as superior) may cause you to improve yourself to gain the level of that person and top it with an air of granduer...

Well ,that happened to me once lol.
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posted January 09, 2009 02:40 PM

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 These are semi-digested clishees ... "life is what you make it ?". Really ?? You can be the next Einsten times 10, if you will be born in a country with no educational perspectives, with war and famine as daily issues ... I don't think ... life ... is WHAT you MAKE IT.
Don't you think you project YOUR personal situation upon all other romanians? There are many of your mentioned problems in many countries around the world, not only in romania. But still people there feel happy, are in love or just live their life. Their is good education possible in the USA (or take any other western country), no war, but still hundreds of thousands people there who don't have a bright future, who don't have a family, a wife, a child, a job etc... So yes...I think "Life is what you make it"

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As for me, I like extremes, I like either black or white ... I tend towards black. I believe that only in extremes you can find the essence of something. You either love someone or you hate someone, there is nothing in between, if there is ... well, then that's called personal interest. There should be NO personal interest in love.
A world with only extremes won't exist very long.
- Just look at the religious issues nowadays. If their woudn't be moderate believers, the whole religion would be full of people like those suicide bombers.
- How bad would a car run if it only had first and sixth gear?
- Imagine school...grades...if there wouldn't be 1-6 (or A-F), but ONLY 1 and 6 (or A and F)....80% of all kids would fail in their education
- You can love your wife, your children, your parents...but how about your neighbour, your boss, your favorite music group?....
- Imagine Heroes3 would only have Straker or Crag for choice as main hero...

Life is so much more than black or white...everything inbetween is what makes it so wonderfull
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posted January 09, 2009 02:43 PM

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My turn to disagree. Hate (directed towards a person you see as superior) may cause you to improve yourself to gain the level of that person and top it with an air of granduer...

Well ,that happened to me once lol.


I strongly disagree. Im richer now than everyone i once hated. So what, thats my success that i worked on and im happy about that. But to work hard on that, only to be better then the ones i hate...nah that would just taste sh*tty, you care too much about them!

Think about it, if those a*whole are worth the thoughts you obviously spend on them.

Not that i was once like you....
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posted January 09, 2009 02:44 PM

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Think about it, if those a*whole are worth the thoughts you obviously spend on them.


Makes me wonder...
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posted January 09, 2009 02:59 PM
Edited by gabislayer at 15:13, 09 Jan 2009.

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 These are semi-digested clishees ... "life is what you make it ?". Really ?? You can be the next Einsten times 10, if you will be born in a country with no educational perspectives, with war and famine as daily issues ... I don't think ... life ... is WHAT you MAKE IT. Don't you think you project YOUR personal situation upon all other romanians? There are many of your mentioned problems in many countries around the world, not only in romania. But still people there feel happy, are in love or just live their life. Their is good education possible in the USA (or take any other western country), no war, but still hundreds of thousands people there who don't have a bright future, who don't have a family, a wife, a child, a job etc... So yes...I think "Life is what you make it"


You practically say nothing in your statement ... 1)Advice: come and live for a year in Romania. 2) In my statements I wasn't speaking from a romanian point of view. There are other places on this planet WORSE than Romania and I am aware of that. I'm no ignorant.

Good education in USA ? Yeah, that's why their culture is based only on the exaltation of primitive impulses. Someone there doesn't need an educated population.

Maybe those who can afford it, and this only confirms my conclussion .... Life is not exactly what you make it ! ... first of all you've got to be LUCKY. Chance has a BIG role !

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As for me, I like extremes, I like either black or white ... I tend towards black. I believe that only in extremes you can find the essence of something. You either love someone or you hate someone, there is nothing in between, if there is ... well, then that's called personal interest. There should be NO personal interest in love.
A world with only extremes won't exist very long.
- Just look at the religious issues nowadays. If their woudn't be moderate believers, the whole religion would be full of people like those suicide bombers.
- How bad would a car run if it only had first and sixth gear?
- Imagine school...grades...if there wouldn't be 1-6 (or A-F), but ONLY 1 and 6 (or A and F)....80% of all kids would fail in their education
- You can love your wife, your children, your parents...but how about your neighbour, your boss, your favorite music group?....
- Imagine Heroes3 would only have Straker or Crag for choice as main hero...

Life is so much more than black or white...everything inbetween is what makes it so wonderfull


Car gear ? School grades ? Again ... not much substance. Of course I know there are shades of gray, but like as I've said, I like extremes, I feel comfortable in them, at least in some of them.

Religion ? Religion it's just an mass manipulation tool. And by the way, why, if some poor islamic bastard detonates himself in some public place he's a terrorist, but the 'soldier' that kills children bombarding civil places in the name of freedom, is somehow .... a hero ?

Anyway, I was reffering to the debate of love-hate, to be more clearer about those extremes.
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posted January 09, 2009 03:06 PM

Wow
Can't believe gabislayer posted that, cause I mostly agree with him.

Let's put this easy. Love has one definition, which we all know it, but hard to describe. It doesn't have "different cases", that's just because you TWIST the definition of it.

You people DO claim that a parent loves his/her child, right?
That is love.
You can have it between couples too. Unfortunately most don't, so nope, no matter how much you want to call it love, it is not love as per the definition above. Sure you can come up with your own, twist it if it makes you feel happy, but why? It's just language. And it's not love.

If you use love for TRIVIAL things, then we WILL NEED a new definition of 'love' for a parent-child relationship, because it would be different. Either that, or we use a different definition of 'love' for you know what. Simply put, it is not love.

Attraction, lust, etc... have nothing to do with love. Just because you also may have a bit of love (or a lot, doesn't matter) doesn't mean they have ANYTHING to do with love. Why people complicate matters like twisting the definition? No idea, but most certainly it is NOT the same true love like a parent-child relationship.

Don't get me wrong, some couples truly "love" each other, but they're rare. (just as some parents don't love their kids)

Simply put, if a TRIVIAL thing is love, then how would you call the "non-trivial" true love described above? You can't just call them both the same, one is trivial (and I might I add, somewhat primitive to call it 'love'), the other is not. So you need two different words.

As for hate, yes it is a bad thing. Hate isn't good, hate makes people blind. The only thing that it teaches them is how 'harmful' and 'bad' it is so they avoid it next time

"Always remember that others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself."

(I didn't claim I don't hate, cause I'm not that enlightened yet, so don't take me wrong )

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