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posted January 25, 2009 09:18 PM |
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Hope. Or fear of what will happen if he won't try.
And that's good enough reason to act.
I myself have none of them left and I'm enjoying this relatively calm state.
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Doomforge
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posted January 25, 2009 09:24 PM |
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Question: if you always expect the worst possible - why do you do it? I simply wouldn't in that case.
That girl will steal my heart, and I'll never cme over it. Ah heck, who cares. Rollercoaster? The thing will crash and I'll die. Ah, it will be worth the fun. Me, a pet? Will be dead after a week. Ah, so what? Makes no sense to me.
Because I don't know the outcome. And it doesn't hurt to try.
Thinking I will fail =/= being SURE I will fail.
In second case, it would definitely make no sense.
In first, it does 
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MightyMage
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posted January 26, 2009 08:31 AM |
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@FOG: You liked it better when I was Man-Ho? LOL 
@The_Death: If you knew me in real life you'd know I'm actually quite cynical. I used to be worse but my personality drove people away and I started getting depressed about the world in general. So, I've lightened my overall mood over the past year or so. Honestly, once I started looking at the good things in my life I realized that the things that I saw as bad or depressing weren't really as bad as I was making them out to be. For instance, I
would go into work and rather then look at the possibility of having a good day with no problems, I would automatically roll my eyes knowing that everyone I worked with were incompetent idiots and that not only would I have tons of paperwork to do but I was probably going to be there late due to all the things that were inevitably going to go wrong. I hated being that way because I began treating everyone and everything around me in that way. I went from being your average cynic to an extreme cynic either hating everything or just not caring at all.
@DagothGares: Yeah, she asked about the meaning of the ring and after I explained it all to her she got a huge smile on her face. As far as romantic...well, I'll continue and let you be the judge of that.
@Elvin: It wasn't an engagement ring or even a promise ring. I admit it was used in the same manor but (not sure how to phrase this) I guess less meaning. I wasn't asking her to spend her life with me nor was I promising that
one day I would marry her because I don't know for sure yet. I love her (based on my interpretation I guess), but I'm just not ready for marriage and I highly doubt she is either. I could have simply said hey, I'm not into the whole friends with benefits thing. If you mean it when you tell me you love me and care about me then let's turn this into a relationship. Yes, that would have probably been enough but 1.) I kind of consider myself a bit of a romantic. It's hard for me to keep it simple when I have feelings. 2.) I wanted to be
absolutely sure before I continued things with her. I wasn't about to go down the same road again. I'll explain things more as I continue my story.
So anyway, I planned a romantic evening. She's really like a kid at heart and simple things like swinging at the park are often times enough to amuse her. So I told her I had to work half a day so that way I would have time to get things set up.
First, I got haircut and I cleaned out my car. It was kind of messy in there
Next I went to a wine store and picked up a bottle of her favorite wine.
After that I went to the jewelry store in the mall and after telling the guy no to all the overpriced things he was trying to sell me, I asked about the ring I had seen in the commercial. He seemed kind of hesitant because it wasn't expensive. Only about $40.
Next I took my car through a car wash. It looked real nasty from all the road salt the city has been putting down lately. Finally I grabbed a blanket and some candles and headed out to get her.
Unfortunately she doesn't like surprises so she kept asking what I had planned. Keep in mind that it was almost an hour drive back.
Somehow she spotted the bottle of wine and asked if it was for her. I sighed and said yes, it's part of the surprise. Then she insisted that we go to a 7-11 (that's a local mini mart for my non-American friends) to get a bottle of Gatorade so she could put some wine in there and take it home with her. She's under the drinking age so she has to sneak her alcohol.
When we got out of the car it had just started lightly snowing. It looked really nice and she looked beautiful twirling around in the falling snow.
Too bad it didn't stay that way. We got to the park and that nice light snow had turned into 5° F (-15° C) temperature, cold blowing wind, and a nice downfall of snow. I was determined to have my romantic evening regardless so we trudged through the snow with the wind blowing in our faces. She looked far from happy but kept following me. Finally we reached the pavilion, covered in snow and freezing. This was NOT romantic at all. The candle wouldn't stay lit and the blanket started freezing to the ground. She looked at me all sad and shivering and begged to just go back to the car. Fine. everything was ruined anyway so why not. At least we'd be warm.
So we headed back to the car and finally warmed up.
Ok, so my original plans were all messed up but I still figured I could make the best of things. I popped open the wine and poured it into the glasses I brought along. After we toasted to better days and all that, I took her glass and set it down. Then I took her hands in mine and said, "Jasmine, these past few weeks with you have been great and from them I remember how much I care about you. I've never really loved anyone more then I have you."
She smiled and told me she loved me too.
Then I pulled the ring box out of my coat pocket and opened it up. The car was dark so she couldn't see what it was exactly but I think she was a bit scared. Her eyes got big and her mouth kind of dropped open. "Wha...What is that?" she asked with that same look on her face.
I told her it was a ring, and I wanted my girlfriend to wear it. And just in case she hadn't caught on yet I continued, "Jasmine, I want YOU to be my girlfriend."
That huge smile came back to her face and she threw her arms around me. We held each other like that for a good ten minutes, kissed several times, and with each kiss she told me she loved me.
For a moment she forgot about the ring and just looked in my eyes as I held her hands so I took it out of the box and put it on her finger.
As I type this she's asleep in my bed.
So with that, I bid you all a good night. 
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in awe for the awesomeness that is
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want to be! - OhforfSake
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Mytical
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posted January 26, 2009 09:20 AM |
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Great ending MM. As to some of the rest of you..I wonder if some know the difference between attraction (and/or lust) and love?
If you 'love' somebody's hair, or eyes, or build, or any physical feature..it is not love. It is attraction (and/or lust). Now it does not hurt to be attracted to somebody (or in lust with them), but love is something else. Though 'chemically' identical to lust, love is something that ignores all physical appearences.
Let me give you two seperate instances I know of personally. I had two best friends in high school. Each of them got married at an early age, and their husbands were also best friends. About 4 years ago the husbands were out on the town together and were in a automobile accident. Both were horribly burned.
Anny (lets call her Anny, not her real name) left her husband within a couple of months. She was remarried in less then 3 months of the accident, and never looked back. Her ex-husband recovered and remarried, but that is another story. (Oh and won 100,000 from the lottery also, which only paid for plastic surgery, but he looks like he did before the accident).
Marrissa's (also not her real name) husband was actually worse off. She stood by him, and took care of him, despite the fact that he had burns over 35% of his body (including the face). He probably never will look like he did before the accident, but he is able to work now and do everything he could before. He gets some horrible looks and sometimes is treated badly because of his burns, but she never looks at him with anything but love and pride in her eyes. At one time he even begged her to find somebody else (feeling sorry for himself), but she would not budge. Now that is love.
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Azagal
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posted January 26, 2009 10:08 AM |
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Aw man dude I was just looking over thread thinking all the posts were to long to read and that I wanted to kill TheDeath for starting another argument (totally convinced it would be lame) and then I suddenly saw the picture of that ring....
Dude don't do that to me ever again... my heart skipped a beat and I almost feel out of my chair Oo. But yeah you're not getting married so it's alllllllllllllll gooooooood. Damn you got me good.
Nice story btw^^. Hope everything works out well. Atleast it sounds good for now^^.
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Though 'chemically' identical to lust, love is something that ignores all physical appearences.
Say what? I beg to differ. Or by "chemicall" you mean that you get a boner in both cases?
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Mytical
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posted January 26, 2009 10:13 AM |
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I mean just what I said. The same chemicals are produced by the body regardless of if it is 'love' or 'lust'. Mean nothing more and nothing less.
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Azagal
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posted January 26, 2009 10:21 AM |
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No they're not . Love feels completely different that lust (yeah kinda stateing the obvious...).
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Mytical
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posted January 26, 2009 10:32 AM |
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I did not say they do not 'feel' different. People even act differently when in love or when in lust. That is not what I am saying. I am saying that the same chemicals are produced when near that 'special someone' regardless of if it is lust or love. Love and lust are very different. As my example showed. I was mearly stating how odd it is that the same 'chemicals' can have different results.
And..you should also feel lust for the person you love..it does help a lot in a relationship.
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posted January 26, 2009 02:07 PM |
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And..you should also feel lust for the person you love..it does help a lot in a relationship.
Also you should feel at least a little love for the persons you lust for... it does help a lot with your behaviour.
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posted January 26, 2009 02:59 PM |
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And..you should also feel lust for the person you love...
Especially parents
Lust =/= love.
A combination of lust and love makes perfect relationship, though.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 26, 2009 03:16 PM |
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I don't think you can compare the love of a grown-up child for the parents with partnerly love. The word is simply wrong, because THEY are different. Partnerly love definitely includes lust since loving means - among others - a desire to share anything and to be as near each other as is possible. So love is obviously more than lust, but love without lust is something else. Affection?
Lastly parental love is again different, I'd say, and motherly love usually will differ from fatherly love as well.
I think that Mytical definitely was talking about partnerly love.
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Doomforge
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posted January 26, 2009 03:23 PM |
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I think love is just love. It differs depending on what we add. I already wrote about it somewhere, but whatever.
Towards our parents, "love" is gratitude+respect+love
Towards our lover, it's lust+love
and so on
Depending on what we add to the "love" feeling, we get a different feeling
But love does NOT differ imho by itself. It would be weird if it did, because in general, emotions do not differ. Anger is always anger. Sadness is always sadness. The cause may change, the strength of the feeling may change, but the feeling itself has one definition and cannot be 200 different things.
Well, all IMHO, ofc.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 26, 2009 03:39 PM |
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I think, it's different (anger as well).
The reason is simply the position you are in.
With a partner the position is equal and the bond is one of equality and voluntariness.
As a child you get something for a time, emotionally (if everything is in order): you were loved, you were cared for, and a child will have a feeling of TRUST and SAFETY before everything else. It feels security with the parents and responds with affection and gratefulness.
As a parent you'll have a responsibility as well, since a child, when you get it, completely depends on you. It's something you have to nurture and care for, and it's not equal, since you have to make the decisions. As the child gets older, your responsibility becomes less and less and you must basically let lose, since the child will neither depend on you nor will you make the decisions. Both as a child as well as parent the position is one of inequality.
There are others. The love to a pet. The love to a beloved thing, let's say a trusty old car. The love to a art - music, books, movies and so on.
I don't think that this is all the same.
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posted January 26, 2009 03:57 PM |
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Love is a necessary component of many human relationships. But lust is bad - it hijacks human behavior from its normal state and makes it animalistic. Better to avoid it.
And I must reprimand MightyMage for being a fornicator. Most world religions would consider your actions immoral. But nobody's perfect. It's nice that you're trying to cement your relationship, though - although I think you should've waited with the very physical part until after marriage.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 26, 2009 04:12 PM |
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Love is a necessary component of many human relationships. But lust is bad - it hijacks human behavior from its normal state and makes it animalistic. Better to avoid it.
And I must reprimand MightyMage for being a fornicator. Most world religions would consider your actions immoral. But nobody's perfect. It's nice that you're trying to cement your relationship, though - although I think you should've waited with the very physical part until after marriage.
Yeah, we've been fed that sermon the best part of 2000 years now - but the only thing that has been proven by that is, that DENYING what nature - or god, if you are so inclined - gave us by diminishing it and brandishing it as "animalistic" is actually leading to a lot more animalism than the oh so animalistic lust. Saying it's bad just reveals a profound disrespect for the way nature - or god - saw fit to made us.
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posted January 26, 2009 04:46 PM |
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There are others. The love to a pet. The love to a beloved thing, let's say a trusty old car. The love to a art - music, books, movies and so on.
I don't think that this is all the same.
What about the love to a brother or sister?
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Aw man dude I was just looking over thread thinking all the posts were to long to read and that I wanted to kill TheDeath for starting another argument (totally convinced it would be lame)
You know, keep your **** out of this 
You just think you're some kind of center of the world -- I've seen it in the comic thread as well (you argued with mvass about a 'poor drawn' comic, the one with yellow background, not remember its name), calling it lame or whatever -- which would be understandable (I half agree with you), however don't post that **** and call everything as you please (lame or sucks or whatever).
My post might have been an argument, but the quote I quoted here of yours is even more **** and totally worthless (not to mention personal).
Do you see me posting **** like "hey dude, stop posting" to others or telling them about their lame style? I could but it would make me return to kindergarten.
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posted January 26, 2009 05:05 PM |
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Yeah, she asked about the meaning of the ring and after I explained it all to her she got a huge smile on her face. As far as romantic...well, I'll continue and let you be the judge of that.
Thank God that I was wrong
I hope you two'll be very happy... It warms my mouldy heart...
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posted January 26, 2009 05:11 PM |
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I don't think that this is all the same.
What about the love to a brother or sister?
Right, that's another one. More than one, actually. Think about that of an older brother for his younger sister. Twins. And so on.
I'll give you something to chew on. Obviously humans have a lot of capacity for love. Parents, children, sisters, brothers, friends, lovers, husband, wife. If rach love is basically the same love, this would actually mean that a person would have the capacity to love a lot of persons at the same time and with equal depth as husband or wife - and I don't know whether you want to explore that road further.
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TheDeath
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posted January 26, 2009 06:30 PM |
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I'll give you something to chew on. Obviously humans have a lot of capacity for love. Parents, children, sisters, brothers, friends, lovers, husband, wife. If rach love is basically the same love, this would actually mean that a person would have the capacity to love a lot of persons at the same time and with equal depth as husband or wife - and I don't know whether you want to explore that road further.
"Equal depth" depends on the person of course but it IS the same form of love, only that a person may love someone to different degrees. It's not like there aren't people who love their siblings more than their husbands/wives. But that's beside the point.
The different degrees, that depends on the person. Some people sacrifice at the blink of an eye for their children, while others torture their children, so
And what's wrong with loving more people at the same time? (by the true definition of love of course, you know what I mean).
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posted January 26, 2009 07:15 PM |
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Love is a wonderful thing my friends.
I had to take her to her college. She decided to skip her first class 
Now I have to go to work but even that isn't going to ruin my mood today.
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