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posted June 05, 2009 10:28 PM |
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Only if you choose to see things that way.
Turning your back to something won't make it disappear though and won't change anything regarding it.
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posted June 05, 2009 10:30 PM |
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Actually, life is about finding happiness.
Exactly. 
The pursuit of happiness is everything.
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posted June 05, 2009 10:32 PM |
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Well, to you, is it possible that the benfits of not knowing certain things outweighs the benefits of knowing? Reality doesn't change, except the one in the mind. I believe that the world doesn't need unicorns or flowers or that all the misery in it should be frgotten, but wouldn't it be better to be spared from vivid memories of terrible ordeals that will become emotional baggage?
I disagree totally, especially about forgetting things. Forgetting something is as if I become someone else to me.
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posted June 05, 2009 10:42 PM |
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The pursuit of happiness is everything.
Says the hedonist ;P
I would dare to say happiness comes naturally with other things...
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posted June 05, 2009 10:45 PM |
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And it's these other things (like Love) we must strive to have.
Indirect happiness is remains happiness still.
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posted June 06, 2009 03:20 AM |
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People are often trying to be something they are not... Worse, they think it's the only way.
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Nothing is set in stone. Like they say in a knight's tale: it's possible to change your own stars!
how many people are unhappy, but do nothing to change things? it's so much easier to rant or complain all the time... people are coward. always wishing they could have such thing, but not doing anything because it is too hard.
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posted June 06, 2009 05:47 AM |
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We will not have pleasure if we simply look for it. Otherwise, junkies would be the happiest people in the world. No - pleasure/happiness is roundabout. And knowledge is a good tool for obtaining it - or, at least, preventing its loss.
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posted June 06, 2009 10:13 AM |
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We will not have pleasure if we simply look for it. Otherwise, junkies would be the happiest people in the world. No - pleasure/happiness is roundabout. And knowledge is a good tool for obtaining it - or, at least, preventing its loss.
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posted June 06, 2009 10:36 AM |
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A search for happiness is doomed to fail, all you have to do is realize that happiness is already there. It comes from within. Though I am not entirely convinced that knowledge had anything to do with it. In fact the more things you realize the better the chance that you will be more serious, grim, cynical. But it's still a matter of attitude.
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posted June 06, 2009 10:49 AM |
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Yeah, some things certainly made me cynical, but is it bad?  I mean, people find it rather funny than annoying and I like it myself.
Not that I give a damn about how they find me, but...
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posted June 06, 2009 11:29 AM |
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I personally like such people, I just meant that they often see the bad side of things or are apathetic.
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posted June 06, 2009 11:49 AM |
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Well...that is true to some extent. People who know the grim side of things have a tendency to be cynical and apathetic at times. I for one have to apologise for being one of those people that fall for that sometimes. But it also has it's good side. When people know and comprehend that their life could be much, much worse they learn to value the small things that most others don't. And that can make them have a happy overall look in life, like mine.
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posted June 06, 2009 12:04 PM |
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Personally, I think the less knowledgeable you are, the happier you can be.
Life is much easier for the simpleton. Knowledge has little to nothing to do with happiness, in fact, I'd rather say the opposite is true. The only way knowledge can help you to be happy is by being perfectly rational, but humans aren't perfectly rational, in fact, I'd even say that they are usually quite irrational, otherwise there'd be little to no violence or crime in this world. We aren't robots, we are humans who are continually struggling with our irrational side taking over (this view is rather Freudian on perspective, but whatever).
Or how else should I interpret "a rational human being with self-control"? At first glance, it sounds like the ideal nineteenth century man, but on second glance it sounds like a robot (whether they are any different is debatable)
I don't claim to know how you find happiness, but I doubt you find it from within, definitely if your upbringing had more bad parts than good parts. I'm also quite certain that attitude has something to do with it.
[semantics nazi]Now, ironical attitudes and cynical attitudes are two different things, if I may remind you and if you are a cynic, then apathy is your partner, nothing good is your future relationship and people never like that.[/semantics nazi]
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posted June 06, 2009 12:26 PM |
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Not really. Cynicism is also a philosophical doctrine.
And I don't agree with that simpleton thing. I used to think like that when I was in high school, but tbh, in my family there is a bit of simpletons, some are dumb as a rock. And no, they are not happy because their understanding of the world is way below the understanding of the more intelligent people. They also have dilemmas and problems - in love, too - only different, less complex, but being an equal pain in the butt as ours.
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posted June 06, 2009 12:36 PM |
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I know it's a philosophical doctrine. Do you know one of the greatest cynics? Diogenes was a man who lived naked in a barrel for the rest of his life who didn't work, lived of the food that the people gave him who considered him wise and pretty much was a pretty gross person to be with. But I don't think we are referring to cynic philosophy:
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Their philosophy was that the purpose of life was to live a life of Virtue in agreement with Nature. This meant rejecting all conventional desires for wealth, power, health, and fame, and by living a life free from all possessions. As reasoning creatures, people could gain happiness by rigorous training and by living in a way which was natural for humans. They believed that the world belonged equally to everyone, and that suffering was caused by false judgments of what was valuable and by the worthless customs and conventions which surrounded society.
Believe you me, when I say a cynic never smiles, while an ironic person smiles painfully. Anyway, I'll pick up the dictionary next, which gives the best definition, should we disagree...
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posted June 06, 2009 12:42 PM |
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Stop putting words in my mouth by the way.  I never said that a simple man has lesser understanding of the world, (since intellectuals are more of the type of people that have a less earthly view on the world), nor do I claim that they have less problems with love or being unsatisfied. I meant to say that a simple is not someone very prone to think about the nature of relationships or ethics or pretty much something that goes beyond his given values (by parents, mentors or friends).
Death here is my example: poor bloke keeps pondering over certain things in such a way he can hardly sleep or it's impossible to catch him in a light mood, while a simpler man may just act more instinctively on whatever troubles or, even better, he may not be troubled at all by certain questions are. Sure, everyone thinks about life, but everyone uses different methods and is affected differently by this, unless no one is unique.
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posted June 06, 2009 12:48 PM |
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As for cynicism, it may mean ancient greek cynicism, modern cynicism, social cynicism, and so on. I merely wanted to point out that the "grammar nazi" mode was pretty unnecessary here since it's a word of many different meanings
And simple people do think about ethics and nature of relationships, but they just focus on different, more mundane aspects than our friend Death here. 
edit: oh wait it was semantics nazi, not grammar nazi. My bad.
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Sometimes I'm cynical for fun (although many people take me seriously and ask, "Why are you so negative?"). I'm really a realistic optimist, though.
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Life is much easier for the simpleton.
WRONG!!!
Ignorance is not bliss. For the dark unenlightened man, the world is a dangerous, unfriendly, and mystical place. It can be good, but when it is, it's only unpredictable luck. For the enlightened man, though, the world's workings are much more apparent - as is how to bend them to his rational will. If the simple man falls ill, he will simply say "Deo volente" and die. The enlightened man, though, will find the cause of his illness and do everything in his power to cure it.
The simpleton lives in fear of the devil dragging him into the abyss. The enlightened man has no irrational fears.
And if you don't know what you want, you will never get it.
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At first glance, it sounds like the ideal nineteenth century man, but on second glance it sounds like a robot
There is one critical difference between a rational man and a robot - a rational man has a will of his own; the robot can only do what it is programmed to do.
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posted June 06, 2009 03:55 PM |
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And if you don't know what you want, you will never get it.
The smarter you are, the more options life offers to you. What if this renders you indecisive? Would the simpler man with lesser options not be more blessed?
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posted June 06, 2009 04:03 PM |
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No. Certeris paribus, you are always at least as well off when you have more options - and, most of the time, you're better off.
Think of it this way. I put three piles of money on the table - one pile worth $100, one worth $200, and one worth $300. I cover up the $300 pile, and then call you over. I say, "Hey, Dagoth, you can have any one of the piles of money I have on the table!" Now, think about it. Would you be better off being ignorant and choosing the $200 pile or being smarter and choosing the initially concealed $300 pile?
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