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posted August 23, 2008 04:34 PM

You guys don't make any kind of sense

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posted August 23, 2008 04:46 PM

GL is going to be twenty if he finishes reading this oO.
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posted August 23, 2008 04:56 PM
Edited by zamfir at 17:14, 23 Aug 2008.

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You guys don't make any kind of sense


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Sensemaking is the ability or attempt to make sense of an ambiguous situation. More exactly, sensemaking is the process of creating situational awareness and understanding in situations of high complexity or uncertainty in order to make decisions.
That's true and it is "a motivated, continuous effort to understand connections (which can be among people, places, and events) in order to anticipate their trajectories and act effectively.


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In individuals, sensemaking is the largely cognitive activity of constructing a hypothetical mental model of the current situation and how it might evolve over time, what threats and opportunities for each action are likely to emerge from this evolution, what potential actions can be taken in response, what the projected outcomes of those responses are, and what values drive the choice of future action.
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In organizations, sensemaking is a collaborative process of creating shared awareness and understanding out of different individuals' perspectives and varied interests.
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The process of moving from situational awareness in individuals to shared awareness and understanding to collaborative decision-making can be considered a socio-cognitive activity in that the individual’s cognitive activities are directly impacted by the social nature of the exchange and vice versa.
You said it, pal.

Yeah, right. I would say that sensemaking, as it is applied to the activities of teaching and learning, provides a means of attending to cultural inscriptions about education, while acknowledging that when people do show up at the classroom door they influence that cultural inscription just as surely as they are influenced by it. Such a perspective is implicitly reflexive. The distinctions between self and other, teacher and learner, culture and individual become blurred.
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posted August 23, 2008 04:59 PM

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In individuals, sensemaking is the largely cognitive activity of constructing a hypothetical mental model of the current situation and how it might evolve over time, what threats and opportunities for each action are likely to emerge from this evolution, what potential actions can be taken in response, what the projected outcomes of those responses are, and what values drive the choice of future action. In organizations, sensemaking is a collaborative process of creating shared awareness and understanding out of different individuals' perspectives and varied interests. The process of moving from situational awareness in individuals to shared awareness and understanding to collaborative decision-making can be considered a socio-cognitive activity in that the individual’s cognitive activities are directly impacted by the social nature of the exchange and vice versa.
Dear zamfir, you should rather supply the link and put your text in quotes from your references rather than writing it without copyright notice.

Senses are subjective as a scale, but we are impacted by a thing that unites that, it's called English and common sense. Not everyone has them, making the discussion difficult. However we can come down to a common subject if we devote some thinking in our philosophical area, something which you have ignored for the most part (I have to agree that some of your points, while good, have already been said).

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posted August 23, 2008 05:06 PM
Edited by zamfir at 17:08, 23 Aug 2008.

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In individuals, sensemaking is the largely cognitive activity of constructing a hypothetical mental model of the current situation and how it might evolve over time, what threats and opportunities for each action are likely to emerge from this evolution, what potential actions can be taken in response, what the projected outcomes of those responses are, and what values drive the choice of future action. In organizations, sensemaking is a collaborative process of creating shared awareness and understanding out of different individuals' perspectives and varied interests. The process of moving from situational awareness in individuals to shared awareness and understanding to collaborative decision-making can be considered a socio-cognitive activity in that the individual’s cognitive activities are directly impacted by the social nature of the exchange and vice versa.
Dear zamfir, you should rather supply the link and put your text in quotes from your references rather than writing it without copyright notice.

Senses are subjective as a scale, but we are impacted by a thing that unites that, it's called English and common sense. Not everyone has them, making the discussion difficult. However we can come down to a common subject if we devote some thinking in our philosophical area, something which you have ignored for the most part (I have to agree that some of your points, while good, have already been said).


I feel that is my duty to inform you that Heroes unites us, not English and common sense. I know many members who lack either English, either common sense.
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Lol, I lack common sense.

Even you are in this situation, and I wish to inform you that your English s perfect. Furthermore, this philosophical area of your is sublime, but it saldy lacks thoroughly.
Lastly, it is spelled Zamfir, with capital letter.
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posted August 23, 2008 05:13 PM

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I feel that is my duty to inform you that Heroes unites us, not English and common sense. I know many members who lack either English, either common sense.
Alas Heroes has no place in a philosophical discussion like this.

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Ebglish's my enemy.

Even you are in this situation, and I wish to inform you that your English s perfect. Furthermore, this philosophical area of your is sublime, but it saldy lacks thoroughly.
I meant english as a form of LIMITED communication. When one can't express what he feels with one "invented" word that only he understands, he has to use common building blocks found in the english language. This is so everyone else that doesn't share the ideas can understand to a certain degree.

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posted August 23, 2008 05:17 PM

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@Zamfir and others: I hope you know that I was joking in this thread (and about that horse, too)


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posted August 23, 2008 05:24 PM

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I feel that is my duty to inform you that Heroes unites us, not English and common sense. I know many members who lack either English, either common sense.
Alas Heroes has no place in a philosophical discussion like this.

It doesn't, but you invoked English or common sense as the force who keeps the community together. You are wrong, Heroes keeps us uniffied, and it acts like aglue that fills the holes left by English
and common sense. If you are so kind to read my psot again, you'll notice that I said that Heroes keeps us together, not that it has something to do with this 'phylosophical' discussion.

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Even you are in this situation, and I wish to inform you that your English s perfect. Furthermore, this philosophical area of your is sublime, but it saldy lacks thoroughly.
I meant english as a form of LIMITED communication. When one can't express what he feels with one "invented" word that only he understands, he has to use common building blocks found in the english language. This is so everyone else that doesn't share the ideas can understand to a certain degree.


If I would be in your shoes, I would say: "I meant English as a form of LIMITED communication. When one can't express what he feels with one "invented" word that only he understands, he has to use common building blocks found in the english language. This is so everyone else that doesn't share the ideas can understand to a certain degree.". I hope you know that language names are written with capital letters. If you don't know, I inform you that they are. You wrote 'english', yet you explain me how to use it.
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posted August 23, 2008 05:29 PM

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If I would be in your shoes, I would say: "I meant English as a form of LIMITED communication. When one can't express what he feels with one "invented" word that only he understands, he has to use common building blocks found in the english language. This is so everyone else that doesn't share the ideas can understand to a certain degree.". I hope you know that language names are written with capital letters. If you don't know, I inform you that they are. You wrote 'english', yet you explain me how to use it.
I understand that very well, however in forums, people make typos or are lazy to press shift. Another reason would be that I was not talking about the words themselves, but about their meanings.

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posted August 23, 2008 05:35 PM

This thread is moving quickly.

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If all is relative, maybe only the "I" counts and creates everything so to speak. There is no "absolute" Universe, it has been demonstrated, or we are incapable of knowing it -- thus making you have no arguments at all as to why you "think" there is an absolute one, since it is impossible to prove. Everything is my creation, or your creation, etc??
Because that's like saying "I'm the only person that exists, everybody else is a figment of my imagination." Nobody above the age of 5 would take such a statement seriously.

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But is it not all your creation?
Everything that goes on in your subconscious - yes. But your subconscious is inside of you, whereas everything else is outside.

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LOL you tell a HAXXOR what are facts and what are not?
Nobody who uses the term "HAXXOR" is a HAXXOR.

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A high end processor usually, if built on the same techniques but with more power, uses more energy. This energy, then, is WASTED by the software because it is designed bloated or wrong. It is not only less "intelligent" but also you see, uses a lot more power for the same stuff. In fact, let's say that he not only solves your problem but also gives you heat. Is that ok? Of course it isn't intelligent, since you don't even want heat (it's why you have coolers right?). Therefore, it is less intelligent.
But it fulfills its purpose (running the program) more quickly, thus it is more performant. We're not talking about the heat, since that doesn't affect things either way (unless it overheats, of course).

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No u. I suggest you start with Ayn Rand.

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You only say "it's obvious" or "everyone knows that".
But that's not at all what Fortress_Jerusalem does. He says "the Pope says it's obvious" or "the Pope knows that".
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posted August 23, 2008 05:40 PM

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Because that's like saying "I'm the only person that exists, everybody else is a figment of my imagination." Nobody above the age of 5 would take such a statement seriously.
Define "seriously"? Relativity was once a "not serious" discussions. Philosophers need to take upon such subjects even when they are not accepted by the general population above age 5

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Everything that goes on in your subconscious - yes. But your subconscious is inside of you, whereas everything else is outside.
Please clarify, with my ideas about it, how it contradicts my view. What is "outside" is only what the subconscious makes you believe -- truth be told, if you could command your subconscious you'll probably be able to "shape the world".

That is, if my idea is correct.

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Nobody who uses the term "HAXXOR" is a HAXXOR.
Try me.

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But it fulfills its purpose (running the program) more quickly, thus it is more performant. We're not talking about the heat, since that doesn't affect things either way (unless it overheats, of course).
It DOES affect, since it takes more power. If the program is made to WASTE and re-calculate everything 100 times instead of once, then it takes up 100 more energy for the same output. Where has the rest of the energy went? To heat.

is heat what we want to accomplish? No, since that way we wouldn't need coolers. Thus, it is not "intelligent" or "performant".

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But that's not at all what Fortress_Jerusalem does. He says "the Pope says it's obvious" or "the Pope knows that".
Unable to comprehend analogies? "everyone" and "the Pope" are similar entities in an analogy at least.

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posted August 23, 2008 05:46 PM

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If I would be in your shoes, I would say: "I meant English as a form of LIMITED communication. When one can't express what he feels with one "invented" word that only he understands, he has to use common building blocks found in the english language. This is so everyone else that doesn't share the ideas can understand to a certain degree.". I hope you know that language names are written with capital letters. If you don't know, I inform you that they are. You wrote 'english', yet you explain me how to use it.
I understand that very well, however in forums, people make typos or are lazy to press shift. Another reason would be that I was not talking about the words themselves, but about their meanings.


I'm afraid you missed the true reason. The new generation lacks culture, spends all day in the front of the computer and mispells usual words. I presumed that The Death was atemporal, yet you act like any usual youngster:
1) You lack culture and your ideas are actually banal, and you try to impress me by using words with more than three letters.
2) You misspel usual words, invoking some pathetic reasons. You're lazy, huh?
3) You spend all day in front of the computer.

The Death isn't anymore what it used to be.
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posted August 23, 2008 05:48 PM

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Please clarify, with my ideas about it, how it contradicts my view. What is "outside" is only what the subconscious makes you believe -- truth be told, if you could command your subconscious you'll probably be able to "shape the world".
The difference is that this is not a "dream" where you create the world yourself and nobody else is included. In this world, there are A LOT of people, you are not more "special" than them, and you CAN'T shape the world however you want. NOBODY can.
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posted August 23, 2008 05:50 PM
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I'm afraid you missed the true reason. The new generation lacks culture, spends all day in the front of the computer and mispells usual words. I presumed that The Death was atemporal, yet you act like any usual youngster:
Notice however that in Romanian, you spell English without capitals and it's probably a habit of mine, not lack of culture. Another reason would be that what I write, is not what I have in mind. I doubt anyone, for example, thinks of typos.

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1) You lack culture and your ideas are actually banal, and you try to impress me by using words with more than three letters.
Whatever you believe, I still come up with arguments, whether you think I want to impress or not, is irrelevant

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2) You misspel usual words, invoking some pathetic reasons. You're lazy, huh?
Typing so much makes my hands sweat. Therefore, an excuse is applicable.

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3) You spend all day in front of the computer.
Information and culture is collected fastest via internet, my dear friend

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The difference is that this is not a "dream" where you create the world yourself and nobody else is included. In this world, there are A LOT of people, you are not more "special" than them, and you CAN'T shape the world however you want. NOBODY can.
What makes you so sure you are not my creation, or that I am YOUR creation?

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posted August 23, 2008 05:53 PM

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What makes you so sure you are not my creation, or that I am YOUR creation?
To take it religiously (because I know you're religious): because we are all God's creations. End of Story.
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posted August 23, 2008 05:56 PM

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To take it religiously (because I know you're religious): because we are all God's creations. End of Story.
Alas in this discussion I am philosophical.

Besides, who said that maybe there aren't more "creators" out there? Of course, physical creators, not "soul" creators, if we take it religiously. Maybe all of us can shape it. I do know, however, that all of us are inter-connected, since there is no "space" in the spirit's dimension, thus all of us stay in the same place. Therefore, if one convinces it's own subconscious (which relates to all others) to believe a certain thing, it will become possible.

Further reading would be here: Consensus reality
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posted August 23, 2008 06:00 PM

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Alas in this discussion I am philosophical.
You can't just change your views based on the topic you discuss.

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I do know, however, that all of us are inter-connected, since there is no "space" in the spirit's dimension, thus all of us stay in the same place.
How do you know? Have you been there?
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posted August 23, 2008 06:03 PM

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Because that's like saying "I'm the only person that exists, everybody else is a figment of my imagination." Nobody above the age of 5 would take such a statement seriously.
Define "seriously'? Relativity was once a "not serious" discussions. Philosophers need to take upon such subjects even when they are not accepted by the general population above age 5


It's spelled SIRIOUS!!! Tell him, The Death.
I agree with you, tough. Nobody above the age of 5 would think so. I see a geniu's mind in work here, and you're not onl smart, but you can generalize. Ignore The Death, he's just jealous.

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Everything that goes on in your subconscious - yes. But your subconscious is inside of you, whereas everything else is outside.
Please clarify, with my ideas about it, how it contradicts my view. What is "outside" is only what the subconscious makes you believe -- truth be told, if you could command your subconscious you'll probably be able to "shape the world".

That is, if my idea is correct.

[offtopic]About outside and inside, do you know that inside our planet is another one, much bigger than the outside one?[/offtopic]
Inside and outside are verry realtive terms, and I would suggezt you not to use them when disscusing about such an important subject

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Nobody who uses the term "HAXXOR" is a HAXXOR.
Try me.

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But it fulfills its purpose (running the program) more quickly, thus it is more performant. We're not talking about the heat, since that doesn't affect things either way (unless it overheats, of course).
It DOES affect, since it takes more power. If the program is made to WASTE and re-calculate everything 100 times instead of once, then it takes up 100 more energy for the same output. Where has the rest of the energy went? To heat.

is heat what we want to accomplish? No, since that way we wouldn't need coolers. Thus, it is not "intelligent" or "performant".

Hmm, that's indeed intruiging. Let me see if I got it: if the program recalculate everything 100 times it wastes 100 times more energy? I think I know why my programs where lame: I made them recalculate verything 100 times to be sure that the answers are right. At least the program obtained good values: I have all the 100 results stored in My Documents.

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But that's not at all what Fortress_Jerusalem does. He says "the Pope says it's obvious" or "the Pope knows that".
Unable to comprehend analogies? "everyone" and "the Pope" are similar entities in an analogy at least.


This doesn't change anything. You missed the whole point. What he/she tried to say was:
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But that's not at all what Fortress_Jerusalem does. He says "the Pope says it's obvious" or "the Pope knows that".

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posted August 23, 2008 06:04 PM

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I define what I can do and what I can't, my friend

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How do you know? Have you been there?
Your phrases lack substance in them. I realize that I have not been clear, and it is why it is called philosophy rather than science. However, one must realize, that the space we know (and time, which ARE connected, SCIENTIFICALLY, whether you like it or not) only makes us, to put it so you can understand, "material stuff". In fact, in quantum mechanics, there is a saying that you can have a particle in multiple locations at the same time. This is because your naive definition of space is seriously wrong -- now imagine that you apply this to a new dimension. Is it reasonable to deduct that dimension is not only a COPY of the one we "intuitively" know (and is false!) but also follows the exact same patterns (like length, width and height for example!).

Besides, telepathy is an obvious example for connection. Or worm-holes.

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posted August 23, 2008 06:10 PM

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[offtopic]About outside and inside, do you know that inside our planet is another one, much bigger than the outside one?[/offtopic]
Inside and outside are verry realtive terms, and I would suggezt you not to use them when disscusing about such an important subject
Here I agree.

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Hmm, that's indeed intruiging. Let me see if I got it: if the program recalculate everything 100 times it wastes 100 times more energy? I think I know why my programs where lame: I made them recalculate verything 100 times to be sure that the answers are right. At least the program obtained good values: I have all the 100 results stored in My Documents.
No it goes far more complex than that and I thought it would be too much for you if I were to explain it. Nevertheless, you asked for it!

Let's take it simpler first. There are two algorithms, namely the Bubble Sort and the Quick Sort. One runs a lot slower than the other. Mathematically, not based on any CPU optimizations. Let's say you have a list of 1000000 variables to sort. Using Bubble Sort with a FASTER CPU will probably make it comparable in "finishing time" to the Quick sort, yet let's say the FASTER CPU takes MORE POWER (since it's faster, and they are on the same level of technology in my comparison).

Therefore, you do absolutely not have the same in My Documents. If you have a video game, for example, and you calculate a projectile's trajectory to use it in a calculation, and then you discard it, and calculate it again later -- it's a lame approach, and most certainly not have 100 copies of it in My Documents.

What I was saying had absolutely nothing to do with "verification"

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