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posted September 06, 2008 10:23 PM |
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If your goverment was in the position of US,would not they do the same? Exploit the vulnerability of the world?
Maybe, but the US is after all doing it. And that is a decent statement.
Its like moral dillemas, to do or not to do. That is ze question.
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posted September 06, 2008 10:27 PM |
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If your goverment was in the position of US,would not they do the same? Exploit the vulnerability of the world?
Maybe they would do it, but who says they're not evil? People in power are always evil anyway
But still, the USA government is to blame these days, because you can't blame other governments for things they didn't do yet and probably will never do (not because they're "good", but because they don't have the chance and power of USA)
We can't judge blindly that all governments are evil, because we don't know if they would do the same as USA if in that position. But my guess would be that they would
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posted September 06, 2008 11:36 PM |
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SO basically all you are doing is writing a bunch of accusations.
It dont matter is the point.
People with power always want more power.
It's all about power & currency.
It's not just the US.
They know alot more then we give them credit for.
I dont feel like going into details because I have been doing it for yrs & it just goes in circles lol.
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posted September 06, 2008 11:43 PM |
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But still, the USA government is to blame these days, because you can't blame other governments for things they didn't do yet and probably will never do (not because they're "good", but because they don't have the chance and power of USA)
Actually, the countries that sit back on their behinds and don't act are the worst offenders. Sure is easy to condemn others for acting when you don't have the guts to do so yourself. Perhaps if those other countries would be more willing to offer solutions and work towards a common goal, instead of being isolationists and saying "I told you so", there would be more progress in the world.
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posted September 06, 2008 11:51 PM |
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Thats BS.
They are minding thier own business.
Exactly what the US needs to do.
For yrs since there was American we started wars or butted into other countries business where it did not belong.
This war is no exception.
Why do you think other countries mock us & talk alot of crap.
Our leaders dont know when to quit.
All the wars we been in since we became Americans. we were at fault almost 90% of the time.
I can understand a World War, it effects us all.
We had no right right in this war.
Vendetta,Greed & hatred.
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posted September 07, 2008 12:19 AM |
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Minding their own business? They can do that and not be a member of the UN then. And while they are at it, they can refund all of the aid money this country has so graciously provided them with when things go to Hell.
And is minding ones own business such a great policy? Sure got a lot of Jews killed when FDR didn't mind the Holocaust. Won't do Ukraine and Georgia a whole lot of good when Russia tries to reabsorb them.
And where exactly are all these wars we've started? Aside from Operation Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom, I don't know of any other conflicts we've gone out of our way to start in recent history. And those are conflicts, not wars.
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posted September 07, 2008 12:28 AM |
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It depends.
There are many wars in this world, small & big ones.
Not all countries are expected to go off to join every single war.
Most countries has their own problems.
I did not mean that a country or state should always mind thier own business.
When they are asked for help.
On thier own will, they do not have to.
Sometimes it is not needed.
Thats why we have the UN
Of course I can see your stand point.
It would not be wise to exclude them just because they do not want to be involved.
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posted September 07, 2008 12:29 AM |
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When I get back from a wedding, I will state some wars.
From the british war from small ones like the Philipines to recent wars.
I am from the US too.
I know we are not innocent just because.
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posted September 09, 2008 01:54 AM |
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Actually, the countries that sit back on their behinds and don't act are the worst offenders. Sure is easy to condemn others for acting when you don't have the guts to do so yourself.
Like wow, you are so totally AWESOME and badass dude! yeah you have guts! Killing thousands of innocent iraqi civilians, totally cool dude!
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Perhaps if those other countries would be more willing to offer solutions and work towards a common goal, instead of being isolationists and saying "I told you so", there would be more progress in the world.
Solutions to WHAT problem? There is no problem, the only problem you see is a myth spewed out by Fox News. USA has got NOTHING to fear from terrorists. 9/11 = Inside Job. And don't go telling me there is "no evidence that supports the idea it was an inside job", because there is actually LESS evidense to support the idea that it WASNT an inside job, and there is NO evidense WHATSOEVER that links it to Iraq. The war America started in Iraq is ILLEGAL.
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Minding their own business? They can do that and not be a member of the UN then.
Trust me if I had a say in the matter, I would have leaped right out of the UN the begin with Unfortunately, my government is as corrupt as yours.
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And while they are at it, they can refund all of the aid money this country has so graciously provided them with when things go to Hell.
You really think you are totally awesome, don't you?
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And is minding ones own business such a great policy? Sure got a lot of Jews killed when FDR didn't mind the Holocaust. Won't do Ukraine and Georgia a whole lot of good when Russia tries to reabsorb them.
Don't tell me you actually believe the actual motivation for America is to "spread freedom and democracy" ? That's hilarious!
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And where exactly are all these wars we've started? Aside from Operation Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom
*coughs and rolls on the floor laughing* The irony in that project's name is priceless xD
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posted September 09, 2008 02:03 AM |
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Instead of resorting to statements like "You think you are totally awesome, don't you?" could you please present valid counter-arguments? I'm not really sure what my awesomeness has to do with my statement about disaster relief.
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posted September 09, 2008 02:09 AM |
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I don't need to counter-argument your claims of awesomeness. Mostly because you are about the only one believing it.
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posted September 09, 2008 02:16 AM |
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So quick to resort to insults? I'm hurt.
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posted September 15, 2008 08:47 AM |
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Ok, in the presidential election debate, we have gotten way off track, and this is a better thread for it. Want to clarify a few things, even though I think I am beating my head against a wall.
My point was simply that America should not be under a double standard when it comes to how it behaves. Instead of America Bashing when something unfortunate happens, look at what is happening on BOTH sides.
While I don't think killing innocents is right, or appropriate..what America is just supposed to shrug its shoulders and say. "Oh ok, you can do whatever you want, and we will be over here."
I say we pull back, let them fix their own messes, and wait. Spend all that money we are giving away on our own problems, let them call us selfish, they do anyhow. If they are invaded by a despot, tough. Sorry, you don't want our help..remember?
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posted September 15, 2008 08:52 AM |
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Well what do you want us to do, say well Iraq has human rights abuses too so it's ok.
Or do you want the world to tell off both sides like a schoolyard teacher?
Somehow I don't think Iraq is listening.
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posted September 15, 2008 08:56 AM |
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Simple, when a nation is doing things like that, complete worldwide embargo. Shut them down. Even oil. Of course that won't happen, because of OPEC, but that is what SHOULD happen. No country buys or sells them ANYTHING until the suicide bombings stop.
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posted September 15, 2008 09:01 AM |
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There was been a full trade embargo in Iraq from 1990 under the Saddam regime, excluding medical supplies/food etc necessariy for humanitarian aid.
These sanctions damage civilians, and do you think that suicide bombers care about trade embargoes?
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posted September 15, 2008 09:04 AM |
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You are correct there. They don't. It is a catch 22. If we get to the nity grity and do what it takes to actually stop it, we are the bad guys. If not, well just more death and mayhem. *shrugs*.
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posted September 15, 2008 09:05 AM |
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No I agree, let's bomb for peace 
I find Iraq war arguments ridiculous. People can't seem to argue without a vested interest, or that maybe it's the right war fought the wrong way.
One of the best posts I've seen here on the subject however is Moonlith's post:
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The point about Darfur is to illustrate America's hypocritical foreign policy. For some reason Iraq (which had nothing to do with 9/11) apparently qualified for invasion to bring "democracy and freedom", but Darfur is okay? LOL! Oh yeah I forgot, Darfur doesn't have any oil. duhr. "Freedom and democracy" XD!
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posted September 15, 2008 09:11 AM |
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I am against war too, but like I said. What are we supposed to do? Sit on our hands and let somebody kill us? Hey I know, maybe we should surrender to them, give them access to all our weapons, bombs, etc. Then .. they can move on to the next country..and the next.
Edit : And I responded to that before, no need to again. We are in Iraq because their is no SANE way out.
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posted September 15, 2008 09:27 AM |
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Let them kill you? What??
It's not like Iraqis come into America all the time just killing randoms...
Besides, if USA does decide to invade a country, maybe they could do it in a way which DOES involve a sane way out? Just maybe.
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