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Asheera
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posted February 27, 2009 11:38 PM |
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And she didn't mention that she got good arties or anything.
Well considering I had lower overall Att & Def than you I didn't have that good artifacts, except +2 Morale and Luck ones.
The thing is I've seen Orcs getting slaughtered as well when played by other people (recent replay vs Academy) Could be just that my build is overpowered actually 
Perhaps someone should try and play with Orcs the way I do and see if they're overkill? First of all, the unit choices should be almost the same as mine (a few exceptions), then get Retribution and Aura of Swiftness, and possibly Luck or Enlightenment. And Defense is pretty good too, but do not take any shatters. I'd like to see if there will be massacres this way from other players as well, and draw the conclusion that my build is overpowered or I'm just too lucky with Orcs.
However, you shouldn't fight powerful Dark Magic users like Necro, there you really need Shatter Dark.
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posted February 27, 2009 11:45 PM |
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@Lexxan
We are talking about the specific map noob!
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Lexxan
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posted February 27, 2009 11:49 PM |
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That's Mister Noob for you! 
Well, enough thread-derailing for today - I should participate again, as soon as I fix my internet (if I'm able to at all)
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blizzardboy
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posted February 27, 2009 11:59 PM |
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Nope. Light Sylvan is nearly ALWAYS stronger than a Destructive one. Mass Haste, Mass Righteous Might, Ressurrection, Regeneration, Teleport >>>>> Circle of Winter, Fireball, Ice Bolt, Chain Lightning. Unless in the (common) Combination of Swift Mind, Imbue and Rain of Arrows, it can be more dangerous than Light - but with your troops scattered around the battlefield, I might not want to go on a Fireball Frenzy. In 75% of the cases Light is superior, even in duels. And Pristines + Ressurrection is probably one of the nastiest combo's in the game. Either way, this is a Duel thread and not a Strategy thread lol!
Ok well that's 100% theorycraft. Destructive Sylvan is proven by example to be very good, and now that Sylvan has favored enemies with all monsters, it will probably prove to be broken. Last game, my 29 SP ranger made Ash's top tier stacks disappear with a wave of his hand. He wasn't even using both hands to shoot the bow because he was sipping tea.
There's seducer's + dark magic for a double opportunity to prevent channeling in the first round. Other than a mega destructive warlock hero so something, Inferno probably has the easiest time countering high druids.
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Elvin
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posted February 28, 2009 12:41 AM |
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Experience has taught me that might sylvan vs orcs is hopeless, you need buffs and resurrection or imbued destruction to keep the rage down. I don't know, maybe a lucky multihit from the dragons and everybody charging with luck, retribution and avenger could do the trick but I wouldn't count on it.
Also tried haven vs orcs in this version and it has been very equal in those few games. Well except one time where haven raped me with a lucky champion charge that was too painful to recover from. I try to have defense no matter which side I am on and enlightenment can give the advantage to the one who has it. I might try power of speed or endurance but I typically pick one magic school.
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Towerlord
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posted February 28, 2009 08:08 AM |
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Guys, listen to the voice of reason... Light Sylvan is better 
Seducers are not a solution against druids, for two reasons:
1. they are dead on arcanes first shot
2. they have low initiative, so they come after the druids turn
The hero has a chance indeed of using dark on druids, that's true, if he comes first.
I saw Lepastur's replay, and it was quite hopeless once the Dragons got lucky and favoured, Light or Destructive, the result would've been the same. His opponent made a bad arrangement, allowing dragons to shoot two important targets at once. And in the end it was actually light which won the day for Sylvan, with the magic immunity on all troops, or otherwise Lepastur wouldn't be able to do a thing against Puppet + Raise Dead with destructive.
What puzzles me, is that in the map version I had, you could favour only low levels troops, but in the replay he has wraiths favoured enemy. Also I am guessing Elvin increased the sylvan army, while maintaining Necro army, and unbalance occured. Having 8 bones vs. 8 emeralds is simply not fair.
PS: I told Elvin giving advanced shatter for free is bad ideea 
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SeLu87
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posted February 28, 2009 10:44 AM |
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attila, if you read this, please check your hcm
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Elvin
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posted February 28, 2009 12:29 PM |
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In my latest sylvan vs inferno games arcanes usually kill half seducers which can be enough to seduce a unit but yeah I wouldn't expect them to play before druids. Necro's army increased just as sylvan's except that I changed the necromancy system as per your suggestion. If he wanted he could have picked one of his stacks as dragons.
About the shatter I'll reserve my judgement till I've seen some more games. One thing I have in mind is reducing a bit the vindicators, their damage with battle frenzy and retribution is ridiculous. Maybe removing a few hellhounds.
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posted February 28, 2009 02:58 PM |
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Necro's army increased just as sylvan's except that I changed the necromancy system as per your suggestion. If he wanted he could have picked one of his stacks as dragons.
I thought Necromancy should be a slightly bonus for Necro? And having the same number of dragons is not the same because Bone Dragons have higher growth. But yeah I guess in real games you don't get many bone dragons anyway, so Necro may be balanced.
And @TowerLord: no, Light Sylvan is not always better. Just look at the facts: Resurrection heals probably as much as a high level destructive spell. However, destructive spells can be boosted by elemental artifacts (+50%!) and also you cast three at once with Rain of Arrows, as opposed to two for Res (with Pristine Unicorns)
I just don't get it why you say Light Sylvan is better (maybe except Dark Magic users) - especially against high defense enemies (Fortress/Haven/etc), destructive rules.
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Towerlord
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posted February 28, 2009 04:06 PM |
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I didn't say it is 100% better... but mostly.
Why :
1. Mass Spells last for the whole battle, any they help with damage alot
2. Ressurection is almost always double, but destructive will become single target after you kill favoured.
3. Ressurection is less dependant on Spell power, so when druids die(or don't get to channel), it will still be usefull
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posted February 28, 2009 04:26 PM |
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Light is by nature more reliable, better or worse will depend on other things. For instance if you face necro with light but no cleansing or immunity you can find yourself vulnerable. Anyways no need to start situational talks about artifacts, skills and timing
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posted February 28, 2009 06:44 PM |
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And @TowerLord: no, Light Sylvan is not always better. Just look at the facts: Resurrection heals probably as much as a high level destructive spell. However, destructive spells can be boosted by elemental artifacts (+50%!) and also you cast three at once with Rain of Arrows, as opposed to two for Res (with Pristine Unicorns)
I'll try to show it simple: High Druids quick first turn + Channeled Meteor Shower (sometimes even Chain Lightning or Fireball could work) = You're dead only with one Multishot if you're lucky with the opponent formation, and if not so, you're almost dead (maybe only with Academy Magic Protection miniarties or something like that you could take some chance). And, if you're not sure, you always can go for Light Immunity to protect them and Quick Mind to make it quick. Another thing you can do is to place them on the corner guarded by the unicorns and take Resistance from Luck (almost 50% of failing to Dark or even Destructive).
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posted February 28, 2009 07:28 PM |
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1. Mass Spells last for the whole battle, any they help with damage alot
No, they don't last the whole battle. Dead crystal dragons do not benefit you.
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2. Ressurection is almost always double, but destructive will become single target after you kill favoured.
You act as if killing your favored is a small deal. Triple smashing your enemies with spells (possibly area spells for massive damage) makes an empowered warlock seem weak.
And the double res combo with your ponies is overrated. It's a sweet combo when you first start using it, but we all know (if we've done it enough times) that as you keep doing it, you often end up only ressing a few ponies along with your other stack, which can be a liability because you just keep burning through their max HP until they can drop like flies.
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3. Ressurection is less dependant on Spell power, so when druids die(or don't get to channel), it will still be usefull
You've obviously never used a low spellpower resurrection in your life. A 10 spellpower resurrection will heal 2 crystal dragons. It's not at all impressive. Actually, with deep freeze, I'm pretty sure a 10 spellpower cold death deep freeze will kill 3 tier 7's, on top of freezing them and making them more vulnerable, and it's cheaper. The only upside is that you can also res 4 ponies again at 50% max HP so they can get mutilated before they ever get to act.
And another great weakness to raise/resurrection is that if you're fighting a skilled opponent, they will take measures whenever it is suitable to cover up your corpses, which severely limits your res options. This is especially a problem against Inferno because you can use little gated stacks to cover up the fallen.
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posted February 28, 2009 07:52 PM |
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I'll stop arguing over strategy now in this thread, but you can continue to in the random duel thread or something if you want and I'll respond.
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posted March 01, 2009 11:55 AM |
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Azzie has beaten the hell outta me.
I think he'll post the replays, thanks for the duels, and good luck in the next stage mate.
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Azagal
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posted March 01, 2009 12:47 PM |
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Guess who s back~~~back agaiiiiin~~ (oh ehm yeah the CoC might require me to inform you that there is innapropriate language in this moving picture ).
And he's ooooon FIRE . Eventhough I must admit that the matchups and circumstances favoured me .
First Duel was Academy vs. Dungeon. Eventhough he had an impressive SP of 27 it didn't do much for him with Summoning (I had Sap Magic+Protection arties so he was clever enough). There wasn't much he could do since my slipper meteors nuked the hell out of him (I was lucky since he didn't get phoenix spell offered while I got no ice spells for cold death). Oh and his Minotaurs defending was a jackpot for me of course^^.
Second Duel wasn't much better for Eugen.
It threw me in a looooot on confusion though~~~ I went destruction+preparation (kickass arties+staff of sar issus and elemental boosters for everything except earth) and ended up using dark (which I more or less picked up by accident to be honest. I only took it to get master of mind) without casting a single destruction spell oO. I didn't get sorcery and sap magic and all the other stuff I wanted to counter destruction magic. And for a moment I felt completely helpless when his rune of battlerage teleportation stuff messed up my whole preparation plan oO.
But yeah my superior initiative and his lack of destruction turned the tide for me (my vamps were scary they could have taken him on alone lol).
Oh and I'll never EVER learn to cover stacks and stay.
EDIT: and on the recent discussion on tactics etc. I'm on the side of Blizzard on everything . Not wanting to disrespect the inmeasurable experience TowerLord has in this game which dwarfs my understanding of this game if I'd blow it up 10 times more .
EDIT: Oh and the gem script for Fortress would be much appreciated. Happend to me twice while there was such a beautiful phoenix waiting for me in the library :'(.
EDIT: My next opponent wouldn't happen to be Sq would he ?
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Wish I could join you, snowboarding sounds serious fun.
Heehe oh yes it was^^.And spending nights in a bear costume playing shoters, racing araced and Streetfighters vs. Marvel Superstars on an 20 year old console against hordes of japanese people was hillarious aswell xD.
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posted March 01, 2009 04:20 PM |
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Welcome back Azagal
The first match only shows that summoning is not worth taking unless you get the right spells. Of course it was bad enough that titans could hide behind obstacles but dungeon being unable to deal proper damage and academy going destructive it was a matter of time. In the second battlerage was nice but for some reason dwarves didn't seem to do enough damage. Those damn princes are annoying.
For those who haven't played first round games yet the deadline is on Wednesday.
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Asheera
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posted March 01, 2009 04:48 PM |
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Haha, loved that Thunder Thane action with Battle Rage 
But why did Eugen defend with the Bears in his first turn? They should have charged towards the Wraiths. For one Mass Slow was cast so he should have expected a Frenzy or something like that. Anyway maybe he has a reason which I don't see.
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rubycus
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posted March 01, 2009 10:22 PM |
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Me and Arcax have done our games.
I have never seen a more dreadful play!!!
I couldn't kill any of his stacks in any of the games, lol Though I did a lot of mistakes, he was lucky all over.
First I had never played the new version before, so it was new to me with more creatures. (Acctually i find it bad because it will be easier to completely kill stacks on first strike!)
Secondly in the sylvan vs inferno game it was much luck! He had very many lucky shots, and my force was destroyed before I could think what to do. In the stronghold vs haven game he was lucky since I spent 5 levels on shatter dark, while he only got two dark spells...
Anyway, here's the replays:
http://www.speedyshare.com/523954843.html
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Asheera
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posted March 01, 2009 10:37 PM |
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Wow the poor Orcs now got slaughtered by Haven, maybe it was karma from my game with Bliz?
and btw, Shatters are overrated Mostly because you can miss your enemy's magic school, as it happened to you, but I also think they have kinda weak effects, especially on high level spells.
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