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Vangelis21
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Manchild
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posted September 20, 2008 08:23 PM |
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asheera i told you, because the heroes in duel map are standard you dont take their regular perks. so you start with 0. as you described it you had 21 . so you didnt pay attention probably
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted September 20, 2008 08:26 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 20:27, 20 Sep 2008.
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you dont take their regular perks
Yes you do. You start with advanced racial + 2 racial perks.
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Vangelis21
Supreme Hero
Manchild
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posted September 20, 2008 08:28 PM |
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i will have to check that. maybe i have a bug too!
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted September 20, 2008 08:31 PM |
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I just created a new Naadir (well a test, I know some skills suck ) like this:
Advanced Necromancy: MotN, Banshee Howl
Expert Enlightenment: Intelligence, Graduate, Wizard's Reward
Expert Defense: Vitality, Evasion
Expert Attack: Tactics, Battle Frenzy
Expert Summoning: Master of Conjuration
So I got more skills this time (21 + racial = 25)
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted September 20, 2008 08:31 PM |
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No bug.
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you didnt pay attention probably
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted September 20, 2008 08:33 PM |
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Next time it happens, I'll be sure to provide a screenshot
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Vangelis21
Supreme Hero
Manchild
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posted September 20, 2008 08:41 PM |
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indeed you start with racial and 2 racial perks. Asheera it was a bug then the first time (or you didnt count correctly  ) sorry for insisting but it is difficult to believe it! hehe. i tried two times with necro and i got all the skills back.
asheera in the second time you say you had 25 but you wrote 24.
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted September 20, 2008 09:11 PM |
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asheera in the second time you say you had 25 but you wrote 24.
Sorry, my mistake
It's 20 + racial actually, because the hero starts at level 1, not 0
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radar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
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posted September 20, 2008 09:19 PM |
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Everyone shall merry, Vaginalelele pointed out something correctly !
On-top
Elvin, there are 7 pairs of contestants, how are you going to set duels of the current round's winners?
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Lexxan
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
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posted September 20, 2008 10:18 PM |
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Everyone shall merry, Vaginalelele pointed out something correctly !
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted September 20, 2008 10:19 PM |
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Hey Lex when are you going to play Elvin? I'm curious if you'll crush him again or be humiliated yourself
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 20, 2008 10:23 PM |
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Yes I mixed that one up. There is one player that does not appear in the list, skeleton_king - seems I will have to pass him by default since nobody else joined. Where is he anyway, have not seen him in a while.
I can play now if Lexxan is available. In fact I was just checking on msn.
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Lexxan
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
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posted September 20, 2008 10:28 PM |
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Edited by Lexxan at 22:29, 20 Sep 2008.
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Sorry, but it's impossible for me to play after 22h (23 Greek time)
Well, I'm am free tomorrow afternoon, hope you can play then, lest we'll have to wait till Wednesday or Thursday. It's possible I can play in Monday too, but it's not guaranteed.
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Hey Lex when are you going to play Elvin? I'm curious if you'll crush him again or be humiliated yourself
Probably the latter I think Elvin needs to meditate 5 hours before he's recharged and zen and stuff... and kicks my general direction
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 20, 2008 10:35 PM |
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I've always been a 'fast' player, not much room for meditation I'm afraid. Thinking hurts too much
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Lexxan
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Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
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posted September 20, 2008 10:38 PM |
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I actually had expected you were a winning machine
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted September 20, 2008 10:44 PM |
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For the most part I am  The last part was sarcastic, I just don't spend too much time planning ahead. I go by a combination of guts, experience and the element of surprise.
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Lexxan
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Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
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posted September 20, 2008 10:51 PM |
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Edited by Lexxan at 22:52, 20 Sep 2008.
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Well, if you notice Ressurrection in your guild, the path of Light and Empathy and Chanelling and Pristines become tempting...
I usually first see with Spells I have and pick my skills/perks accordingly. I know the Skillwheel grossomodo by heart, so I guess that helps as well...
btw, I've noticed that Inferno is grossly underpowered against Haven. Whatever I do, I can't make Inferno win Haven. 
Probably I just suck
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted September 20, 2008 10:56 PM |
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A good part of it depends on haven's knowledge but my games there are shared. I'll see if I can find a replay. And of course you look for spells first, it's another thing when you play a map.
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Lexxan
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Unimpressed by your logic
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posted September 20, 2008 11:07 PM |
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Well, I've tried almost everything, Attack, Tripple Flaming Ballista, Destructive + Enlightement, Dark, Sorcery, Luck, even Light and Leadership.
Only things I didn't try yet were Defence and Teleport assault.
I always build haven the same way: Light, Empathy and Retribution.
Inferno can't win from that Strategy, they even lost (though narrowly) to a Magic Oriented haven (Dark, Luck and Enlightement) with a Might and Magic Hybrid (Attack, Dark, Luck, Leadership and Sorcery)
Sadly, I hardly ever save my battles, unless if they're fought exceptionally well...
to be honest I tried Attack (Excruciating Strike, Battle Frenzy, Power of Speed), Dark (Master of Pain, Corrupted Soil), Light (Masters of Abjuration and Wrath) and Luck(Soldier's Luck and Swarming Gate) against the Empathy-Retribution-Light combo. Inferno lost shamefully in two rounds due to Paladins Anchangels and Griffin's Battle Dive. Haven lost 5 Paladins, 4 Vindicators and 7 Griffins (I mean wtf??? Horrible build I guess )
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 21, 2008 12:39 AM |
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Edited by Elvin at 03:33, 21 Sep 2008.
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Not sure what I can say. Usually I charge with firehounds/nightmares, seducers have one of their unit attack itself, devils either summon pitlords or attack what comes closer and hero puppets/frenzies something. It's mostly a mess and situational atb battle but with the familiars getting 24 mana from the start(knight mana usually ranging from 40 to 70) delaying them can simply win you the game.
The basic things in my build are dark and power of speed, probably tactics. Rest can be luck, leadership, machines, enlightenment, defense.. I don't have something I always pick but then I'm not an inferno player.
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Time for an update, I present you version 1.6 There have been several changes this time and it should be more balanced than ever though there may still be issues.
* Units retrained into their more commonly used versions. Don't even dare comment on my subjectiveness
* Cotn, armageddon and word of light get the boot. Let's face it, it's a lame way to do battle. Armageddon I wouldn't mind but academy and dwarves have cheap strategies based on it and since dungeon can't consider a victory killing both players there isn't much point.
* Haven gets ring of banishment. As I recently found out it's pretty hopeless when a necromancer summons a powerful phoenix, the only solutions I could see before is elemental balance and cold death - that or being extremely lucky with luck/morale. The ring also gives you banish ability that does 210 dmg.
* Inferno gets frenzy and puppet, these spells are their only hope against certain factions *cough*sylvan*cough* As I've said before vampirism is not as effective with low spellpower and blind can only be countered in several ways.
* Sylvan loses 2 treants and 4 druids for obvious reasons. High druids can still be a pain but at least now they die faster.
* Removed certain favoured enemies so that sylvan won't have the cake and eat it too. Initially trying to defeat it with haven or inferno was like pulling teeth.
* Artifact selection in towns has been rebalanced. Tomes, the bow, helm of leadership, sar issus' set, ring of machine affinity and some other dangerous toys have been removed. Many of them you could not afford anyway.
I think that's all, hope you will enjoy it better now.
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