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Elvin
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posted September 21, 2008 09:55 PM |
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Haha they do have merit you know  I don't always pick them but it's usually good to have a ranged support from behind.
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Vangelis21
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posted September 21, 2008 10:09 PM |
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sorry asheera, did i understand correctly? you said that you prefer skeleton warriors instead of skeleton archers?
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Lexxan
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posted September 21, 2008 10:22 PM |
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What wrong with Warriors? They are way superior to Archers!
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Vangelis21
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posted September 21, 2008 10:27 PM |
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I dont mean it in a bad way but it is a noob mistake. the fact that they have higher damage or the shield doesnt make them better. you always need shooters in the back. try to get warriors against orcs or sylvan. they will not last 3 turns.
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Elvin
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posted September 21, 2008 10:33 PM |
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Depends, sometimes all you need is a unit to prevent ranged damage just standing there I remember a replay against academy where necro had two skeleton warrior stacks protecting his units while phoenix and puppet did their job.
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posted September 21, 2008 10:34 PM |
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I don't know Vangelis. I use Ghosts, Wights or Confusion to deal with the Retaliation and then weaken them with the Skeletons. I just hope for Bash to trigger. As for Ranged Back-up, Archliches are enough imo.
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Elvin
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posted September 21, 2008 10:37 PM |
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Yeah right  They are usually blocked on the first, second turn at worst and then they can only cast.
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Lexxan
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posted September 21, 2008 10:40 PM |
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Well, casting Decay counts as a "ranged attack"
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Asheera
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posted September 21, 2008 10:42 PM |
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Skeleton Archers deal almost no damage at all (also because of Ranged Penalty), so they're pretty useless.
With Warriors you at least have a chance for Bash (which sometimes is great) or protect other creatures from ranged attacks.
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posted September 21, 2008 10:46 PM |
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asheera you are talking behind a duel experience. in real games you have more than 500 archers pretty easily. also you just cant attack first with necro so ranged attacks are what you need. as for decay, you need the other liches  the ones with raise dead and suffering
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Lexxan
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posted September 21, 2008 10:46 PM |
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I only would "consider" Archers when in High numbers, like 1-2K. Only then they are able to deal real damage.
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Elvin
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posted September 21, 2008 10:48 PM |
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LMAO! Lexxan must have last played necro in 1.0.
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posted September 21, 2008 10:51 PM |
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first of all no unit can reach 1k. lets not push it! secondly sorry lexxan but if you prefer warriors is your mistake. i can't change your mind. i can only advise you. as you have seen i dont speak a lot with haven, inferno, dwarves... because i dont know them. in academy, necro and orcs matters i am a little more sure of what i say. of course i dont know everything and elvin is more right by leaving a small window for things like warrios. but warriors are alwasy worse than archers and thats final the ONLY possibility i would consider it is if i was short in other melee units and i had vampirism with high spellpower
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Lexxan
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posted September 21, 2008 10:53 PM |
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Again, my lack of Strategy has been proven again.
Well, I use Warriors in 95% of the time.
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posted September 21, 2008 10:57 PM |
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you just have to start seeing behind the attack and defence stats.
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Elvin
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posted September 21, 2008 11:03 PM |
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I don't lean strongly over one of them, depends on what I prefer at the circumstance. Vs dungeon I am likely to pick the warriors for the resistance, vs sylvan it can work either way.
In my last necro vs sylvan game my skeletons shot first with luck and decimated the hunters due to unicorn bow. Lucky? For sure but they are a potential threat that if you keep ignoring will continue to weaken your hunters. Because you won't use them to attack high defense units of course, they are 'pressure' units. Any shot they may draw from a more important stack is good. Alternatively warriors would have been a 'safer' choice as they will be guarding 2-3 key units but they would not have helped offensively at all. You can at best hope for a bash or the retaliation will hurt them too much to hope you'll do it later. Confusion is not always available or can be resisted/cleansed.
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posted September 21, 2008 11:34 PM |
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always things depend on the circumstances. and yes as i said before too, warriors can be useful. but there are cretures in this game that 90% of the circumstances are considered to be standard as at least they can adapt in any situation. for example
archers instead of warrior skeletons
saboteurs instead of masters
trappers instead of doctors
arcanes instead of master hunters
sprites instead of dryads
familiars instead of vermins
pit lords instead of pit spawns
imperial instead of battle griffin
crossbowman instead of marksman
paladin instead of champion
blackies instead of red dragons
stalkers instead of assassins
i repeat that these upgrades are not the ONLY correct ones but are the ones that can adapt in most situations and you are risking less by choosing them. we can of course discuss it
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posted September 21, 2008 11:40 PM |
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Wrong thread for that
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posted September 21, 2008 11:40 PM |
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ouuuuuuuf elvin! let people express themselves!
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posted September 22, 2008 02:00 PM |
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Two battles fought between me and Azzie, I won both. His Kythra left my poor Laszlo with ~14 Vindicators and 2 Crossbowmans lol. On the second replay you can spot how fun is Consume Artifact, and, partially my Academy's favourites - Battle Mages.
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