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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 27, 2008 08:07 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 20:08, 27 Oct 2008.
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I needed the cape for that to work, should have known better  Also realized that wood/ore for academy was 30 when they should have been 50. Will fix that.
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted October 27, 2008 08:09 PM |
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Also realized that wood/ore for academy was 30 when they should have been 50.
Why? I thought 50 rare resources is for Arcane Library, and 80 for Academy means that 30 is for mini-artifacts.
Anyway, it's there where you see:
elseif race == 2 then
res_amount = 80
SetPlayerResource(player, 0, 30)
SetPlayerResource(player, 1, 30)
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 27, 2008 08:15 PM |
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Indeed but they were not enough to cover all units, I already weakened then by removing crown of sar Issus. Btw I noticed which part I should modify JUST before you posted
For now it's not easy to say if academy is just right or it needs a little more knowledge boost. I can't draw conclusions from just a few matches.
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Final_Boss
Adventuring Hero
The Necropope
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posted October 27, 2008 10:21 PM |
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I would remove Word of Light and Curse of the Netherworld from this duel map. You can’t stop a necromancer with sorcery + CotN unless you’re a wizard, and both necropolis and inferno are doomed if they face WoL. I would also remove Empathy because right now might heroes like knights act 2 times faster than a wizard with expert sorcery. Oh and those elemental damage artifacts should be removed forever… Imbue Arrow + Rain of Arrows + High Druids and Empowered Spells + Warlock’s Luck are already overpowered by default. 1 click = instantaneous death of whole army never was good for strategy games, you know.
2 replays more vs another friend:
Necropolis vs Haven (DOWNLOAD)
Laszlo lvl 21
AT-7, DF-14, POW-1, KNW-4 Morale-5 Luck-4
Expert Counter Strike/Retaliation Strike/Expert Trainer
Expert Attack/Battle Frenzy/Power of Speed/Retribution
Expert Leadership/Recruiting/Divine Guidance/Empathy
Expert Light Magic/Master of Blessings/Master of Abjuration/Eternal Light
Basic Luck
Naadir lvl 21
AT-1, DF-13, POW-16, KNW-12 Morale-0 Luck-0
Advanced Necromancy/Mark of the Necromancer/Banshee Howl
Expert Summoning/Master of Erathblood/Fog Veil
Expert Enlightenment/Intelligence
Expert Dark/Master of Mind
Advanced Sorcery/Arcane Training
Expert Defense/Vitality
Necropolis vs Inferno (DOWNLOAD)
Grawl lvl 21
AT-15, DF-1, POW-3, KNW-8 Morale-0 Luck-2
Expert Gating/Consume Corpse/Hellfire/Mark of the Damned
Expert Attack/Battle Frenzy/Power of Speed
Expert Defense/Vitality/Power of Endurance
Expert Destructive/Master of Ice/Cold Death
Basic Luck/
Basic Logistics/Swift Gating
Naadir lvl 21
AT-3, DF-13, POW-18, KNW-8
Advanced Necromancy/Mark of the Necromancer/Banshee Howl
Expert Dark/Master of Mind/Master of Pain
Expert Summoning
Expert Sorcery/Arcane Training/Boneward
Expert Defense
Expert Enlightenment/Intelligence
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blizzardboy
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Nerf Herder
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posted October 27, 2008 10:36 PM |
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Ban Empathy? That's a foundational skill for a faction like Haven. Haven has a 15% chance for Leadership; are they suppose to just ignore the perks for it? (because there's not a whole lot of point to invest in the other perks if you can't get empathy) If so, that takes away a lot of incentive to get leadership at all. A Knight's turn isn't as valuable as a magic heroes turn anyway once they're done doing whatever mass spells they're going to cast.
I agree with the elemental artifacts. Sure, it can balance out if you get artifacts with elemental resistance (though that doesn't matter with irresistable magic for dungeon), but it just adds a lot of randomness to the matches. An Evercold Icicle is more valuable for a warlock than probably any major artifact (you figure if a warlock has a spellpower of 16 after bonuses, than an evercold icicle will effectively give them a +8 bonus to spellpower for their cold spells). Granted, artifacts add a degree of randomness to it no matter what, but the elemental ones add a lot of randomness to it for just being supposedly minor artifacts.
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted October 27, 2008 10:57 PM |
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I fear Dungeon will be a lot weaker than in the 1.x versions without those artifacts - because the armies are larger, and the heroes are still relatively the same in power. And Dungeon was clearly NOT unstoppable, I've seen it lose A LOT of times.
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blizzardboy
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Nerf Herder
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posted October 28, 2008 12:09 AM |
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I admit I haven't tested it thoroughly, but I'd propose giving warlocks a free spell power boosting artifact if it's a problem. Those +50% elemental boosts can be pretty insane. The difference between a warlock that got, let's say, a sword of might or an evercold icicle is huge. If we want to keep warlocks as close as possible to everybody else, it would be more consistent to give them a built-in boost then to just go off of the chance of them getting an elemental artifact or not.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 28, 2008 01:40 AM |
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Edited by Elvin at 01:41, 28 Oct 2008.
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I have faced necro with word of light, sorcery, empathy AND high druid spellpower vs necropolis and the result was that I barely won believe it or not. I'm with Asheera on this one, sorcery or not these spells are not as much an inconvenience as they used to be. But rain of arrows is broken by default, I'll admit that much  For now I have avoided it working with dark spells but it can be pretty nasty with any other school. About inferno I can give them ring of unrepentant but necro can take it.
In any case I have seen many 'real' games won or lost because of it, it's just part of the game. Rain of arrows with frenzy is as well but that's obviously NOT balanced on top of being very rare to accomplish. Elemental artifacts are also part of the game, it would be inconceivable for someone to ban them in a week 5 or any game. Or dungeon standing ANY chance against stronghold with shatter.
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted October 28, 2008 12:22 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 12:26, 28 Oct 2008.
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Just had a game Sylvan vs. Haven... I was Sylvan with Warlocks luck it was insane oO. Too bad it doesn't trigger on rain of arrows .
Here's the replay.
EDIT: Something weired happend though... trough "Aracane Brilliance" I learned "Phantom Forces"... pretty weired considering that it says "learns a new spell, for which he has the prerequisites" and I didn't have basic summoning .
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 28, 2008 12:27 PM |
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Magic insight is its prerequisite 
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Azagal
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Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted October 28, 2008 12:28 PM |
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 !
Awww.... now all the mystery is gone. Thanks^^.
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted October 28, 2008 03:29 PM |
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Radar wins the tournament 
Haven (Radar) vs Fortress (me)
I don't what he did but he was all over the ATB bar. Expert Leadership + Empathy + Divine Guidance = scary
And those lucky shots triggered in the most important of cases
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radar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
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posted October 28, 2008 03:32 PM |
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Edited by radar at 15:41, 28 Oct 2008.
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The game is over, I won!
My skills (if memory serves):
Advanced Counterstrike -> Expert Trainer, Retaliation Strike
Expert Leadership -> Recruitment, Divine Guidance, Empathy
Advanced Defence -> Protection
Advanced Luck -> Magic Resistance
Advanced Enlightenment
Expert Attack -> Battle Frenzy, Retribution, Power of Speed
Here's the replay:
Radar (Haven) VS Asheera (Fortress)
http://www.mediafire.com/?z5zzxktzmv5
Congrats to Ash for achieving the second place!
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blizzardboy
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Nerf Herder
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posted October 28, 2008 03:42 PM |
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Wow that was an incredible game for Haven. All might, no light or dark. I loved how Retaliation Strike actually played a strong role in that fight.
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ebbafan
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 28, 2008 03:47 PM |
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hey don't feel bad asheera, you didn't have rune of charge!
radar knows stuff; and he is using pretty much all might skills on a might faction to the umpteenth level on an open terrain vs. a hybrid faction, the result is no surprise 
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted October 28, 2008 04:01 PM |
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Congratulations Radar well done .
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 28, 2008 04:27 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 16:28, 28 Oct 2008.
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Masterfully played, congratulations radar Very fitting ending for the first tournament. Also my compliments on Asheera for getting to the end, you had some pretty good battles along the way And of course a big thank you to the participants, too bad that some could not play.
 
 
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I will give it some time until the next one begins so if you want to join let me know. The last one had some faults and I'm hoping to do a much better job this time around Also I should note that the deadline for each round will remain one week.
I don't have a clear idea of when it will start but I'd say in 2 weeks from now, maybe a bit earlier.
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Asheera
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Elite Assassin
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posted October 28, 2008 05:06 PM |
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Thanks for the Silver Cup 
And I'll participate in the next one, of course
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted October 28, 2008 05:12 PM |
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Close, but no cigarwiener for Asheera this time. Better luck next time!
And congratulations to Radar, will watch the replay right away.
Edit > Wow, that was quite a serious beating! Wasn't even close to being equal.
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted October 28, 2008 05:22 PM |
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Edit > Wow, that was quite a serious beating! Wasn't even close to being equal.
Yes, now I share the same feeling BlizzBoy had when I crushed his Necro with Sylvan.
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