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Thread: who do you think would be last standing? This thread is 4 pages long: 1 2 3 4 · «PREV / NEXT»
andiangelsla...
andiangelslayer


Disgraceful
Famous Hero
posted December 06, 2001 03:02 AM

oh forgot, which explains : fortress has 5 wins, 3 losses
losses to tower, castle, and stronghold

loss to castle coz castle is simply the strongest even with angels flying forward, and why loss to stronghold and tower: yepp, coz they have units that dont move forward.

and why the win vs inferno (which would never happen if a human is inferno): devils and sultans to the front where they are fodder.


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wiggy_wam
wiggy_wam


Promising
Famous Hero
local pirate
posted December 06, 2001 06:22 AM

yeah Icon, I got same results too ... here they are:

21 more matches:

match 16: stronghold vs. castle: castle won
troops remaining:
7 champions
200 zealots
228 crusaders
53 griffins
435 marksmen
119 halbs

match 17: stronghold vs. dungeon: dungeon won
troops remaining:
145 minotaurs
196 medusas
198 eyes
60 harpies

match 18: stronghold vs. necropolis: necro won
troops remaining:
50 dread knights
32 liches
7 vampires
72 wraiths
662 skells

match 19: stronghold vs. tower: tower won
troops remaining:
30 titans
245 magi
612 gremlins

match 20: stronghold vs. rampart: rampart won
troops remaining:
101 dendroids

match 21: stronghold vs. inferno: inferno won
troops remaining:
464 magogs
159 demons
21 pit lords

match 22: inferno vs. castle: inferno won (surprised me)
troops remaining:
201 demons
222 cerebi

match 23: inferno vs dungeon: dungeon won
troops remaining:
20 minotaurs
180 medusas
114 eyes

match 24: inferno vs. rampart: inferno won
troops remaining:
230 demons
86 magogs

match 25: inferno vs. tower: tower won
troops remaining:
16 titans
59 genies
190 mages
156 golems

match 26: inferno vs. necropolis: necro won
troops remaining:
70 dreads
300 vampires (ouch)
149 zombies

match 27: castle vs. necropolis: castle won
troops remaining:
38 champions
167 zealots
229 crusaders
161 griffins
600 marksmen
542 halbs

match 28: castle vs. rampart: castle won
troops remaining:
79 champions
197 zealots
190 crusaders
460 marksmen
777 halbs

match 29: castle vs. dungeon: castle won
troops remaining:
3 champions
108 crusaders

match 30: castle vs. tower: castle won (interesting)
troops remaining:
12 angels
29 zealots
497 marksmen
818 halbs

match 31: dungeon vs. tower: tower won
troops remaining:
14 titans
22 nagas
272 magi
340 golems
457 gremlins

match 32: dungeon vs. necropolis: necro won
troops remaining:
157 liches
300 vampires
531 zombies

match 33: dungeon vs. rampart: rampart won (close one ... did twice)
troops remaining:
65 dendroids  (1st time)
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342 dwarves  (2nd time)

match 34: tower vs. rampart: tower won
troops remaining:
10 titans
10 nagas
129 magi
373 golems
236 gremlins

match 35: tower vs. necropolis: tower won
troops remaining:
25 titans
33 nagas
131 genies
138 magi
400 golems
183 gargoyles

match 36: necropolis vs. rampart: necro won
troops remaining:
87 dreads (ouch)
64 liches
300 vampires
263 zombies



so in recapping we have:
1- castle: 7 wins, 1 loss (to inferno)
2- tower: 7 wins, 1 loss (to castle)
3- fortress: 5 wins, 3 losses (to castle, tower, stronghold)
4- necropolis: 5 wins, 3 losses (to castle, tower, & fortress)
5- inferno: 4 wins, 4 losses
6- dungeon: 3 wins, 5 losses
7- rampart: 3 wins, 5 losses
8- stronghold: 1 win, 7 losses (but beat fortress)
9- conflux: 1 win, 7 losses (beat stronghold)

in conclusion, I was incorrect in some ways, but correct in others  

- conflux needs more birds to compete.
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wiggy_wam
wiggy_wam


Promising
Famous Hero
local pirate
posted December 06, 2001 06:35 AM

from thunder:
Quote:
1. No retalition against Devils and Cerberi.
2. Fire Shield of Efreet Sultans.
3. Resurrecting ability of 200(!) Pit Lords.
4. Cerberi are like a small Chaos Hydras.
5. Fireball of Magogs (will do more damage than Marksmen when hitting two troop).
6. Best speed structure overall.

Conflux would be the loser here. Only 30 Phoenixes. Normally they get twice the number of 7th creatures compared to other towns. If there would be 60 Phoenixes Conflux would be almost certain winner.



looks like you are correct  



from Wesley
Quote:
My guess

Necropolis Or dungeon or Foretress
Undead,Mythology and Swamp creatures are just to cool!

But I guess it is Castle.. because the good are always the best. and angels are just to powerfull..



LOL, your guess was much more accurate than mine  


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rychenroller
rychenroller


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted December 06, 2001 07:11 AM

Wiggy, u must not be able to find a game, or are EXTREMELY bored
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wiggy_wam
wiggy_wam


Promising
Famous Hero
local pirate
posted December 06, 2001 09:40 AM

hehe, found a game finally  

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Ichon
Ichon


Responsible
Famous Hero
posted December 06, 2001 11:48 AM

Pretty much like I guessed except

I was really surprised to see Fortress beat Necro. When I get back home I will try that matchup.

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wiggy_wam
wiggy_wam


Promising
Famous Hero
local pirate
posted December 06, 2001 11:53 AM

yeah, I was pretty surprised too (because death stare won't help)

but ... it wasn't a very close battle ... maybe I can retest it for fun  

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andiangelsla...
andiangelslayer


Disgraceful
Famous Hero
posted December 06, 2001 06:01 PM

Quote:
yeah, I was pretty surprised too (because death stare won't help)

prolly coz quick combat prooves really nothing


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Thunder
Thunder


Responsible
Famous Hero
posted December 06, 2001 06:13 PM

Hohoho....

Quote:

i think we can take out the fortress right away cause they suck so frickin much compared to the rest!

i think the tower would win, or the castle? you?


Just check my battle thread. The Fortress isn`t certainly losing there. And the Tower isn`t winning.

Sorry about advertising though. But it is one of the best examples that Fortress won`t suck so bad as some people tend to think.

Also, no offence here meant!


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sos
sos


Known Hero
posted December 06, 2001 06:16 PM

some comments

Nice testing Wiggy . Do you disable luck and morale also? You know 1 morale boost can decide the battle sometimes. Also Stronghold suffers immensely when fighting heroes with 0 0 0 0 stats. If you test stronghold battles with heroes with 30 30 0 0 you will get quite different results!
And dont rely too much on quick combat, comp is really dumb

Intersting topic tho, when I have some time I am gona try some batles myself (my fav. is castle vs ferno).

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Dajek
Dajek


Known Hero
Psychedelic Knight
posted December 06, 2001 06:50 PM

Umm... I guess Castle or Tower. Maybe necros for vampires... Well I`m sure that fortress wont!
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destro23
destro23


Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
posted December 06, 2001 08:06 PM

I like that idea SOS.. I will try 30 and 30 att/def with 5/5 power knowledge with all exp magics.. no offensive damage spells.. and see what happens

and I will play out all the battles manually seee what I get


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StormWarning
StormWarning


Promising
Famous Hero
Archmage of Thunder
posted December 06, 2001 10:34 PM
Edited By: StormWarning on 6 Dec 2001

The first results are in

...although it looks like others have taken to my idea as well.

Match 1: Castle vs. Rampart
Castle wins 4-1
In the four battles Castle won, they had a total of 68,795 hp remaining. In Rampart's victory, 17,615 hp survived. The big difference - in Rampart's win, the Unicorns blinded the Champions on round 1 and the Zealots on round 2.

Match 2: Castle vs. Tower
[edit]I got that problem fixed now.
A split decision - Castle wins 3-2, but Tower has more hp remaining (43,713 to 33,605 - including all 300 Archmagi once!).
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wiggy_wam
wiggy_wam


Promising
Famous Hero
local pirate
posted December 07, 2001 02:33 AM

Quote:
Nice testing Wiggy . Do you disable luck and morale also? You know 1 morale boost can decide the battle sometimes. Also Stronghold suffers immensely when fighting heroes with 0 0 0 0 stats. If you test stronghold battles with heroes with 30 30 0 0 you will get quite different results!
And dont rely too much on quick combat, comp is really dumb




I didn't use quick combat, I used auto-combat and saw all the battles played.  But they're basically the same.

30  30  is a bit unrealistic unless you're playing hg or gw ... I'll do  20  20.
I'll retest the stronghold ... see what difference it makes  

And about auto-combat, yes it won't prove much, but how else do you plan on testing it andi?


also, I tested fortress vs. necro some more, using different troop arrangements ... and fortress won 5 out of 6.
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rychenroller
rychenroller


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Supreme Hero
posted December 07, 2001 03:18 AM

I got a good way to test it without using QC and without sitting through hours of battles...

Dont do it
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wiggy_wam
wiggy_wam


Promising
Famous Hero
local pirate
posted December 07, 2001 04:57 AM

40 more matches here ... using att/def of heroes as 20  20 ... all involving stronghold:

stronghold vs fortress:
3 wins, 2 losses

stronghold vs rampart:
3 wins, 2 losses

stronghold vs dungeon:
1 win, 4 losses

stronghold vs inferno:
4 wins, 1 loss

stronghold vs tower:
2 wins, 3 losses  (interesting)

stronghold vs castle:
2 wins, 3 losses  (interesting)

stronghold vs necropolis:
2 wins, 3 losses

stronghold vs conflux:
4 wins, 1 loss

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Mad_Unicorn
Mad_Unicorn


Famous Hero
I am a mean person shame on me
posted December 07, 2001 05:46 AM

hehehe

all these fights depends on the player behind the force...
ai makes dumb decisions where u can easily loose cus of 1 mistake. Put a player like Frank vrs Moc and see or titan and eli. Flammi vrs antal who drops at the better time wins

hell with daemonic u can res a hell of alot of demons to give u the win from either the magogs or the ceberi if they should die. 0 stats and no magic all are equal and have good attributes and bad ones.

btw u cant play a fight out by urself cus that will only prove u can play with urself

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Ichon
Ichon


Responsible
Famous Hero
posted December 07, 2001 08:27 AM

V-Lords

Reason I was surprised about Fortress beating Necro wasn't so much the Death Stare as the 300 V-Lords. I mean, I think the AI must have attacked the Chaos Hydras with them or something. Fortress Units just don't deal enough damage otherwise. 300 V-Lords played correctly(don't let them get gang banged every round or fight non-retaliation units) and they would be incredibly hard to kill. 30 AA's wouldn't even kill enough in first strike to not let the 300 V-Lords totally revive themselves.

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Undead_Knight
Undead_Knight


Known Hero
Hero of Chaos
posted December 07, 2001 08:45 AM

:)

This thread reminds me subtournament "tactition corner" that was in ToH in summer.Numbers of creatures were different than in this thread(10 lev 7 20 lev 6 40 lev 5 60 lev4 80 lev 3 100 lev2 120 lev 1) and 1st level spells were used with 1 chosen expert school of magic, but results are more reliable than testing with quick combat or auto combat
1 tower
2 castle
3 dungeon
4 rampart
5 inferno
6 necro
7 fortress
8 stronghold

 

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Batvanio
Batvanio


Adventuring Hero
Archimage
posted December 07, 2001 03:04 PM

Magic is everything

If you have 500 Spell Points and 30 Archdevils, Expert Earth, resurrection and Slow you can beat any army alone with the devils. They wait then attack and then retreat.
If you have blind  you can beat the castle army too. Try it!
It is ubeleavable what quantity of army the can destroy.

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