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Jiriki9
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posted September 18, 2008 05:24 PM |
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Converse setting to HoMM-Contest
Hi there,
I had this idea a few days ago and would like to know if you like it and would be in this kind of contest, just fort fun.
The idea is that there are many given settings from books, history, movies, other games, etc. that could be interesting to see converted to heroes-gameplay.
The task of the contest would be to create a basics of a heroes game in the given time.
This basics would normally be:
-At least 3 factions. At least two of them should have a good reason to fihgt against each other, or to say it the other way round: Don’ make three allied factions. A faction does not need to be too detailed, main requirements are at least one hero class, with at least two heroes with bio, stats and specialty. You need a racial-skill for your class(es), too.
-At least 5 important heroes of the setting should be converted to HoMM-Heroes. Take Care: This is NOT directly Heroes5-based, you could use a varied hero-system her, or even a new one, but the hero shhould be recognizable as a HoMM-hero.
-Two of the following optional points:
-5 or more Artifacts fitting into the setting
-5 or more spells for this setting, if you want, you can create a whole magic system with your own settingfitting-schools of magic and so on. This would count as two of the optional points.
-A new (not racial!) hero-skill, with at least 4 abilities
-2 Campaigns, containing a ocverview of the campaign history, the scenarios, the campaign heroes/artifacts/etc. …
I hope you all could understand what I mean and you maybe like to join the contest. If there is interest, I’d judge if I may, but I would also be pleased to leave this to more experienced judges.
The first task would be a setting I think everyone here in this forum knows: The end of the third age of J.R.R.Tolkiens Middle Earth, the time of the War of the Ring, This should be rather easy, I guess. Deadline would be in three weeks earliest, if you think you’ll need more time, tell me, and if you think it’s too much too (that is, if someone would like to join and I may make this contest^^)
Have Fun,
Jiriki9
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GenieLord
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posted September 20, 2008 08:30 PM |
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Lord of the Rings immediately popped in my mind. The problem is that there are too few books/movies/games that fit to this category of "things you can make a HOMM game out of them".
I do think that this is a good idea, but before running it, please write a list of books/movies/games that can be used in this contest.
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xerox
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posted September 20, 2008 08:57 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 20:59, 20 Sep 2008.
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I think its really good idea.
I have for a long time thought of creating Warcraft(3)-based factions (Undead, Human, Night Elf, Orcs and perhaps Demons, Naga etc).
But I have not got time yet (the Joint Point H6 contest etc).
Unfortnaly I think Tolkien is horribly overrated (people say everybody rips things off him - but he ripped of mythology etc) and dont know much about the universe, possible creatures etc.
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posted September 20, 2008 09:26 PM |
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Unfortanely I think Tolkien is horribly overrated (people say everybody rips things off him - but he ripped of mythology etc) and dont know much about the universe, possible creatures etc.
If nothing was ripped-off ever, how would fantasy stories, games, etc. been today. Warcraft (as an example) would have missed elves, orcs, demons, etc. Also humans couldn't be included becouse that would have been a rip-off. Do you understand what i mean? I think Rip-off is sort of good. almost evert new thing now-a-days consits of something not original made by the creator(s)[/off-Topic]
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xerox
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posted September 20, 2008 10:41 PM |
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I more meant that everybody is like "OMG TOLKIEN CREATED ELVES AND DWARVES" which is not true.
I just think LOTR is so overrated - why didnt they just fly the ring and cast it into the fire with an eagle?
And why is Mt.Doom (or whatever its called) so unguarded?
Drawing inspirtation is perfectly fine. Warcraft is "ripped off" Warhammer from the begining, but has developed in another direction now.
However I dont like ripping off some things (like Nival/Ubisoft totally ripping off Teldrassil in WoW and Arthas/Nicolai etc which are trademarks).
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MattII
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posted September 21, 2008 12:06 AM |
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Well technically, the Scandinavians created Dwarves and Elves, though our current views of the latter have been either Englishified (light elves) or Irishified (dark elves).
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Jiriki9
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posted September 21, 2008 01:55 PM |
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OK, I see your points... 
first: GenieLord, you wanted a list of possible settings that could be converted to heroes. I think there are plenty of settings convertable (Or I wouldn't have made this thread  ) and here is a first list:
-Lord of the Rings
-Eragon
-Harry Potter (Yes I know there are controverse opinions about this book and it could be hard, yet I'm sure it could be done, would be quite freaky though  )
-Other Fantasy Books, my favorites would be the "Memory, Sorrow and Thorn"-Trilogy by Tad Williams, the "His dark Materials"-Trilogy by Philip Pullman, maybe the Belgariad- and Mallorean-saga by David Eddings and some Settings I probablky could not use because they're from German authors and probably not well known anywhere else (Or have you ever heard of "Wolfgang Holbein"  )
-Final Fantasy
-Warcraft III/ World of Warcraft
-The Diablo World (Though I'm not too well known in this game)
-Warhammer Fantasy(I often thought about this!)
-Historical settings: Medieval times, antique Europe, Rennaisance(could be cool, with witch-hunting & so on), Stone Age
-Dungeons&Dragons-settings
-good to convert would also be the setting of the German PoP "Das Schwarze Aufe" (transl.: The black Eye, don't know if it even exists in english, though, so it could probably not be done)
Is this enough for you, genie ?
Second: Xerox, I'm sorry you don't like Tolkien, and I clearly see your point but I thought: It should be the setting most community members could know enough about AND it would be most easy to find out more about it. And of course you could change many things if you want, add some thigns, and so on. I thought it just as much based on the given setting as possible.
But if many people would say they would not join because it's 'bout LotR, I would certainly change it!
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Oscarius
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posted September 21, 2008 03:40 PM |
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Hmmm, maybe I join maybe not, I must think more about it.
However I got a basic Idea which book-series I'm gonna rip off....
And now i ask ya all, have anyone read Terry Pratchet's "Discworld" books
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Jiriki9
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posted September 21, 2008 04:40 PM |
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Of course!
I did not mention them in the list but for a humorous HoMM it could be funny - I mean: Imagine an Ankh Morpork Faction .
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Oscarius
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posted September 21, 2008 05:50 PM |
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Hey thanks there, now when I think about it if I go with Pratchet then I got several options for towns, like: Ankh-Morpork, Lancre, Klatch, Überwald etc.
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xerox
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posted September 21, 2008 10:10 PM |
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Wouldnt it make a lot more sense if you could just choose a setting to make factions etc from instead of beign forced to do LOTR towns?
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MattII
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posted September 21, 2008 10:36 PM |
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Edited by MattII at 22:36, 21 Sep 2008.
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And now i ask ya all, have anyone read Terry Pratchet's "Discworld" books
Read? I 'own' at least a dozen of them.
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Imagine an Ankh Morpork Faction.
Actually, I did try to fit a 'Watchman' unit into the Haven faction recently, but I couldn't think of any abilities. This does warrant more evaluation though, since many of the races are actually well thought-out, eg, the Klatchians would make a too bad desert setting faction if you mixed maybe the D'regs with the K-Wizards.
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Jiriki9
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posted September 22, 2008 05:46 PM |
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Wouldnt it make a lot more sense if you could just choose a setting to make factions etc from instead of beign forced to do LOTR towns?
Well, I guess there would be more people joining, but what would a contest be without giving some restrictions? I mean, when judging, you can hardly compare a Lord of the Rings-HoMM to a Discworld-HoMM and that again to a warcraft-HoMM, or am I wrong here?
But, as I said, if noone wants TOlkien, I'm gonna change it, and if more have xerox' opinion, I could even give in.
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MattII
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posted September 22, 2008 10:29 PM |
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I see nothing wrong with the Tolkien towns, especially as many of those that Tolkien uses actually predated him (Humans, Elves, Dwarves and a fair few of Sauron's forces).
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ChaosReigns
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posted September 25, 2008 09:23 PM |
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Hmmm, well it's a good thing that Tolkien took inspiration from (ripped-off, if you will) Norse mythology or else I would imagine that most modern fantasies would be very different from what they are now.
In any case, Tolkien added his own style to the creatures he "ripped-off" (for example trolls are, in Norse mythology, not large stupid brutes that are used as shock-troops by dark lords and elves are not the semi-angelic beings of LotR).
A lot of fantasies since have done similar stuff, for example saying that Warcraft "ripped-off" LotR would be incorrect, because despite the fact that Warcraft has elves, orcs, dwarves etc. they are not Tolkien's elves, orcs and dwarves (although they are in some ways similar).
I'll do a LotR Heroes, I have a bunch of ideas already.
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MattII
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posted September 25, 2008 11:28 PM |
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In any case, Tolkien added his own style to the creatures he "ripped-off" (for example trolls are, in Norse mythology, not large stupid brutes that are used as shock-troops by dark lords and elves are not the semi-angelic beings of LotR).
As a matter of fact, Tolkien's races are less his own invention, and more time-cultural, at least in the examples you've given (the Jötnar Trolls are actually described as quite like that, as are the admittenly outsized Elves).
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DagothGares
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posted September 25, 2008 11:34 PM |
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Could I use Raymond E. feist's novels as a setting? It has good races
-Moredhel
-United islands (I'm not going to look up th exact word)
-The Empire
-Dwarves
-The wizards
and voilà!
EDIT: I just read the problem before jumping in.
I think we should use all settings as a possibility... FOR NO BIASED REASON WHATSOEVER!
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ChaosReigns
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posted September 25, 2008 11:57 PM |
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Well, the point I was trying to make was more that he added his own material to myths and legends, much like other fantasies add their own material to the often used Tolkien structure, so thereofore, saying that they're ripping off this person and that person is an exaggeration. Sounds like I didn't pick the best examples though.
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As a matter of fact, Tolkien's races are less his own invention, and more time-cultural, at least in the examples you've given (the Jötnar Trolls are actually described as quite like that, as are the admittenly outsized Elves).
That's interesting, I had no idea, I'd actually like to have a look at whatever sources you're getting this from.
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MattII
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posted September 26, 2008 12:19 AM |
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That's interesting, I had no idea, I'd actually like to have a look at whatever sources you're getting this from.
Well the information on trolls are pulled from Wikipedia, and Encyclopedia Mythica, whereas the elves are pulled straight from Shakespeare (A Midsummer Night's Dream).
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ChaosReigns
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posted September 26, 2008 03:38 AM |
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Are you sure that you don't mean fairies? I don't recall any mention of elves in A Midsummer Night's Dream, unless of course it was used as a synonym for fairies. They were certainly not much like Tolkien's elves, especially not the Noldor, Teleri or Sindar.
As for the trolls though, I was mistaken, a bad example on my part .
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