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AL_Killmore
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 21, 2008 01:51 PM |
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A Dishonorable act !
(the name of the topic was kindly edited by Vesuvius and I cannot change it anymore. Guess his sense of humour is cheap too)
The story:
"ToH Clans" Tournament started in January 2007.
It was promoted and advertised by Vesuvius with awards for the first three Clans: A custom picture for each clan: Supreme, Gold and Silver Statuette, some prestige points and also money awards - 250 $ for each member of the best clan and 100 $ for each member of the clan that take second place. Plus additional awards if a Clan Finals subtourney is organized for the first eight teams (like Caesar finals).
That advertising attracted many Heroes 5 players. Players like me and my friends Elit and Jorko80. We joined ToH. Joined this clan tournament and started winning it. At the end of the first clan season our team POWERPLAY had more points than any other clan and so we should be winners and take the promised prizes.
What happened ? Absolutely nothing !
There was a short message on the front ToH page that "ToH clans" season 2 will start on 1st of March 2008 and that was all.
No winners declared, no prizes given!
I thought - Ok, no need to hurry. Vesuvius didn't say anything in ToH site or in Heroes Community forum. New clan season started but the regular season still continues, may be the awards will be given when the regular season and Caesar tournamet end.
I was thinking wrong... The regular season ended and there was still no any statement from Vesuvius about the "ToH clans" season 1 awards.
I asked with an e-mail to Ves: "What's going on here? There were prizes announced during all the previous season. Where are they - the fame, the glory, the money ?"
The answer slapped me in the face:
"Everyone needs money." - he said. There will be no awards for the "ToH Clans" winners. No matter how good they were, no matter how much victories and clan points they took. Vesuvius explained to me that he was expecting more players to join the tournament but the activity disappointed him and he won't give the promised prizes to the winners...
Why then was he advertizing those prizes all the time ? Why changing the awards AFTER the end of the Clan tournament? Why offering fake awards when he didn't have the intention to give them to the winners? Why the deceit? Why misleading the players all season without any word or warning?
With one short e-mail Vesuvius destroyed all the respect that I had for him and for ToH.
I was thinking that this is a real tournament. With real prizes and real honor. Not like the hundreds of other on-line game sites that you can play in only for some virtual points. I was in error. The "Tournament of HONOR" was just like everything else. Just a pompous name and some fake content. A place where the given word means nothing. A place where a swift change in the rules saves Vesuvius several hundred bucks. A place of DISHONOR. A place of DECEIT.
I can live without those money. I can live without applauses for my honest win. It's the same for Elit and Jorko80. It's probably the same for Cycleguy, Arteman and Garrik. However, when an injustice is made, when some very good players are humiliated for no reason, when their achievements are nullified with a single act of dishonor - I just cannot remain silent.
That's why I made this topic - to tell you the story of a FAKE tournament. To tell you that the best players in ToH were left without their deserved prizes just because of one person's "disappointment" and false promises.
Now you can share your opinion on that matter.
For myself I can tell that if justice is not served - I won't make another game in ToH. I have my pride and I'll not be a part of this so called "Tournament".
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted September 21, 2008 02:11 PM |
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This is bound to happen when it comes to money being involved. There will be always someone (doesn't matter if it's the giver or the taker) who's not fully satisfied with the outcome.
However, a non-biased look at things tell me that both parties made mistakes over here.
Joining a tournament and a community only because there might be prizes involved (and playing with that ultimate money goal in mind, making you twist rules, maps, players in your favor, just so you can succeed) is purely wrong.
If any of you are dependent on those 250$ (although I'm sure that nowhere in the world right now 250$ cannot make a life-changing difference, apart from some African countries), I'm sure the community would pitch in and help you out.
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jorko80
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 21, 2008 03:03 PM |
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I knew that there's going to be an answer like yours Valky ,that the money does this and that, but it's not about the money, it's about the posted awards that were not fulfilled. If you ask me , I'm just continuing to play, but my teammate Al Killmore is taking things more to his heart, and is very disappointed. He even doesn't want to play in the tourney anymore. But time will tell what's going to happen
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted September 21, 2008 03:12 PM |
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Edited by Kispagat at 15:12, 21 Sep 2008.
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Joining a tournament and a community only because there might be prizes involved (and playing with that ultimate money goal in mind, making you twist rules, maps, players in your favor, just so you can succeed) is purely wrong.
I have played 43 games out of my 144 against Al Killmore and Elit. I can tell you that this sentence above is simply not true in this case.
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted September 21, 2008 03:35 PM |
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My guess is that all this happened because Vesuvius was pushed to end Clans first season and start a new Clan Season, and so his plans were screwed, there were no more clan finals and so on.
Anyway, your rage against Tournament of Honor is misplaced, as there are many people playing heroes and having fun here.
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted September 21, 2008 03:37 PM |
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Quote:
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Joining a tournament and a community only because there might be prizes involved (and playing with that ultimate money goal in mind, making you twist rules, maps, players in your favor, just so you can succeed) is purely wrong.
I have played 43 games out of my 144 against Al Killmore and Elit. I can tell you that this sentence above is simply not true in this case.
I wasn't making accusations, just pointing out the obvious nature of man when there's money involved. I didn't say they've done something wrong (read the whole idea, the brackets are just an explanation).
It's obvious they were in for the money as well, otherwise this thread wouldn't exist. And when you're in it for that goal, you start making certain choices to help you reach your goal(maybe not willingly, but it's all the same), there's lots of ways to focus on one goal, i never said they were dishonorable in any way. It's just basic human psychology.
Vesuvius' fault for putting money on the line.
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antipaladin
Promising
Legendary Hero
of Ooohs and Aaahs
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posted September 21, 2008 04:23 PM |
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hmmm,i think its a little early to judge here,untill Ves has a word,you guys cant decide without hearing HES side of the story,that would be midly unfair>?
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted September 21, 2008 05:38 PM |
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Quote:
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Joining a tournament and a community only because there might be prizes involved (and playing with that ultimate money goal in mind, making you twist rules, maps, players in your favor, just so you can succeed) is purely wrong.
I have played 43 games out of my 144 against Al Killmore and Elit. I can tell you that this sentence above is simply not true in this case.
I wasn't making accusations, just pointing out the obvious nature of man when there's money involved. I didn't say they've done something wrong (read the whole idea, the brackets are just an explanation).
It's obvious they were in for the money as well, otherwise this thread wouldn't exist. And when you're in it for that goal, you start making certain choices to help you reach your goal(maybe not willingly, but it's all the same), there's lots of ways to focus on one goal, i never said they were dishonorable in any way. It's just basic human psychology.
Vesuvius' fault for putting money on the line.
We are joined to get N1 for clans and we did it. Reasons was few not only money. Main problems is not money, its principles. In Season one has two main turnaments. Clans and personal . If you know any about sports its: TEAM results is MORE from INDIVIDUAL. Because its alot harder and need team play.
My clan have not only most points but have most total games too. So we are helped alot for activity and support new ppl. For example AL did alot games with Kispagat when he start in toh. In this time all refuse to play him. Now compare it with 50 games total from Strider for all time. I don't want to comment him personal...but he is not model.
I can understand if Ves decide do not give any reward but CANT understand why he will give reward on Strider and not us. It's simple not fair to all community.
P.S.
Now we have two rewarded peoples. Most honourable  and most dishonour  Balance in rewards 
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AL_Killmore
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 21, 2008 07:16 PM |
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Have you all watched the Olympic games ?
Did you ever see a referee saying to the athletes who finish first:
"Sorry guys, I won't give you the medals because yes, you won, but the other athletes were just too slow. And I'm very unhappy because I expected more. So, no medals for you !"
Have you ever seen something like that in the REAL games, in the REAL tournaments ? Of course not !
Well, I saw it here, in ToH.
I saw some pathetic excuses too.
What I saw was FAKE, and I thought that it was REAL. That was my only fault.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted September 21, 2008 08:08 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 21:18, 21 Sep 2008.
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You guys are just plain sad excuses for human beings... Vesuvius lets you play in his tournamnet for FREE! He spends TONS of his own money for Automation of the site and countless amounts of his time to work on the site for your behalf.. and again it cost you NOTHING! Yet you still complain.. You guys are the most dishonrable of all...
There is no binding contracts... I have always understood that there will be a " Chance" for prizes... but they are NEVER guarenteed! Grow up!! Get a Life! If I was vesuvius I would say that sure I will send you your $250, just as soon as you guys send him $1 for every game you registered on HIS site!
You guys make me SICK! Never have I seen such a display of greed and dishonor and lack of integrity in all my life!!
I would be ashamed to even show my face in a Tournament of Honor if I was you guys.
Please tell me you was drunk when you made this post... I bet there is still time for you to make an apology post and all could be forgotten.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted September 21, 2008 08:23 PM |
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I was going to say something similar but i think I did enough to other people who cry on the threads.I wanted someone else to say it first this time lol.
I know Rob has done so much for the yrs I have been here for our entertainment.
Plus a low number of clans.
Yall need to learn patience.
I would never accept money from Rob, even if i won. I would love to just play on heroes for fun, when i get my com.
Rob knows that when i declined plane tickets. A guilty feeling lol.
Point is that Rob has always done so much for us & he really never wanted anything in return, except to have fun. Wishing it can be as busy as it was during the heroes 3 prime.
For the yrs i have been here, I seen Rob put up with alot of crap.
I was one of the few who tried to back him up, before he got fed up & said the heck with heroes 3 tournies.
You should be ashamed of yourself for calling Rob dishonour.
Who am I to say right.I guess there is a point right 
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted September 21, 2008 08:59 PM |
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**** And just looked... you guys are in 8th place!! With ONLY 44 points! So you guys are obiously not even active enough. hahaha... I think 8th place award is $0.00 anyways Your Checks in the mail. AND even more comical is Al Killmore has ZERO clan points for his clan!!!! You are claiming you deserve 1st place prize money when you have ZERO points!!!! Please tell me you was drunk when you made this post... I bet there is still time for you to make an apology post and all could be forgotten.
You are complete idiot!
How you expect from us to have clan points when we DONT PLAY SERIUS. Only i'm doing points. AL is refuse to play. This is season 2 if you dont know. AL did 200 points for his clan season 1.
I dont care for this money but CANT ACCEPT to have prizes for NOTING and not for us. Lets Vex and Strider back money to Ves and all will be OK for me.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted September 21, 2008 09:13 PM |
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Maybe it is time for Vesuvius to kick some tossers? Money? What?
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted September 21, 2008 09:16 PM |
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Ofcourse you only quote that part of my post... you have no comment about the main part of the post???
And yes I did forget this was season 2... I thought this was still season 1 But still curious to hear your thoughts on the 1st part of my post
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jorko80
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 21, 2008 09:35 PM |
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Well Jinx as always you are on fire ,but this time you've met someone like you - Al Killmore, the two of you take things too seriously and act very rough. Every person here has his own point of view, in my opinion both Ves and Al have their good reasons , you don't need to categorize us so harshly. Let Ves write what he thinks. I'm continuing to have fun in the tourney anyway and I'm waiting to kick your butt again just to see what topic will arise after that and the countless imbalances you discover after every our game
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antipaladin
Promising
Legendary Hero
of Ooohs and Aaahs
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posted September 21, 2008 09:48 PM |
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how do you know 2 ppl you listed got paid?
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AL_Killmore
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 21, 2008 10:32 PM |
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Jinxer,
I see that you're quite emotional for a man who doesn't even know which season it is now ...
You want to know my opinion about your post --> it's crap.
Your "chances" for a prize are ZERO.
If YOU had to give 1$ for every win you report in ToH that would be just some pocket money.
Change your nick to "Joker"
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Adrius
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Stand and fight!
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posted September 21, 2008 10:34 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 22:34, 21 Sep 2008.
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What's up with you tournament guys? Chill out!
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted September 21, 2008 10:34 PM |
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Spoken with Authority.
Spoken like a true man who demands he gets paid!!!
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LightCrusader
Hired Hero
Death before Dishonour
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posted September 21, 2008 10:38 PM |
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Al and others have the right to be mad and even i am dissappointed alittle. The title of the tournament is "Tournament of Honour", is this honour when you work really hard whole season and in the end it was all pointless, not only that they got left with no money, but they said that they didnt get those statues too , a picture for their profile too?
It would be the same if you are the emperor but dont have any proof any mark that shows it.
This is not about money, this is about not getting the result , the pride and respect for your hard work and effort. Overall, it makes the tournament untrustworthy, if things are promsied , but not fulfilled.
Then why even bother playing everyday and working hard for a title , if you may not get anything.
I understand that Ves is a great person and has done alot for us, but he still should keep his promises and the principles of the tournament which is called The tournament of HONOUR, there is no honour if the organisers dont keep their promises and dont even apologise
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