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posted September 23, 2008 11:02 PM |
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Thanks for your honest opinion and you're right. But if he was abused as a child, couldn't he plead, oh, let's say, insanity? And isn't that something that relieves them from responsibility of their own actions.
(I feel sick for just typing that)
Well, if he is insane, why does he freely roam the streets, in the first place? People that are a threat to others due to their mental instability should not be allowed to freely walk around. You know, because they are a threat.
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posted September 23, 2008 11:15 PM |
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Thanks for your honest opinion and you're right. But if he was abused as a child, couldn't he plead, oh, let's say, insanity? And isn't that something that relieves them from responsibility of their own actions.
(I feel sick for just typing that)
Well, if he is insane, why does he freely roam the streets, in the first place? People that are a threat to others due to their mental instability should not be allowed to freely walk around. You know, because they are a threat.
Edit: misinterpretation carry on
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mvassilev
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posted September 24, 2008 12:03 AM |
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Well, if he is insane, why does he freely roam the streets, in the first place?
Because, in most cases, no one knows just how insane someone is.
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posted September 24, 2008 12:28 AM |
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There's no excuse for murder. None at all. And to say "Oh, they're just misunderstood." is wrong. It's blaming society for the actions of a deviant individual.
So? That's like saying "Hey look these days everyone is a thief so let's punish them all!". I'm not saying they don't necessarily deserve it, but look WHY they are like that to SOLVE it.
I'm not taking sides. I'm tired of people arguing by taking sides seriously. 
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posted September 24, 2008 03:10 AM |
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Well, if he is insane, why does he freely roam the streets, in the first place?
Because, in most cases, no one knows just how insane someone is.
Since I don't know Finnish law, I'm not sure if insanity would really work here. Cold, calculated planning tends to work against a defendant.
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So? That's like saying "Hey look these days everyone is a thief so let's punish them all!". I'm not saying they don't necessarily deserve it, but look WHY they are like that to SOLVE it.
We don't care about the why. We care about what can be done in the short term to make everybody feel better.
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posted September 24, 2008 03:15 AM |
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Edited by Azagal at 04:22, 24 Sep 2008.
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This event isn't the result of an "insane" person.
Definition of insane
insane - afflicted with or characteristic of mental derangement
This person wasn't mentaly deranged. It is exactly like Joonas said.
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Since people can't fight anymore they build up their emotions and explode at some point. Far-fetched maybe?
It is not far fetched at all. I live in Japan and there is a perfectly clear reason for the Japanese people to have the highest suicide rate in the world. There is no society in the world that puts itself under such immense pressure as the japanese one, without having any understanding whatsoever of letting your emotions go. Japan will always have the highest suicide rate in the world because this attitude of not showing emotions will never change. And when things pile up over years people will break if they don't have an outlet. It is really simple.
I you have a dam it will break if you don't let off some water from time to time. Some people break slower some faster, it doesn't matter but everyone (even you) will break if you don't have an outlet. This is not at all a question of insanity, it is perfectly natural (of course I agree with TheDeath since this doesn't mean that some of them simply are insane).
The way people break however is different. Japanese people usually commit suicide (again due to the insane pressure of society) while others may chose to kill people. Of course it is wrong to kill people, no one is arugeing that but it is simply the easy way out to call people insane.
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posted September 24, 2008 03:35 AM |
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lol, the kind of thinking such as yours is why America is falling behind. Asian and Eastern European immigrants are complaining about how pathetic their children's education is, while the parents of native-born Americans are complaining about how the school gives too much work, and they don't have time to be a kid, and all that other absolute idiocy. And they're dragging everyone else down. The Japanese have the correct attitude here.
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Azagal
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posted September 24, 2008 04:23 AM |
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Edited by Azagal at 04:24, 24 Sep 2008.
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Sorry mvass but you missed the point of my post entirely.
EDIT: Apart from that your thougths on the matter you just brought up do not belong in this thread, don't you think?.
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mvassilev
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posted September 24, 2008 06:31 AM |
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You were saying that the Japanese culture has a lot of pressure, and don't let their emotions out. I pointed out the implications of that kind of thinking.
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posted September 24, 2008 09:51 AM |
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I heard about this on a news. It is horrible... Our country has quite a number of killings and wounds in schools. I just cannot understand those persons, what is going on in their heads...
Anyway, I heard this morning (correct me if i am wrong) that boy (shooter) died in the hospital from deadly wounds on head.
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posted September 24, 2008 11:55 AM |
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Anyway, I heard this morning (correct me if i am wrong) that boy (shooter) died in the hospital from deadly wounds on head.
Yeah, thats right tough he was 22 year old boy already.
There have been lots of disscussion of his motives etc. My toughs where that it was little late to "cure" him, hence the ignorance. In his last letter he said; "he hates human kind" his mind was dark and twisted and already way past the limit of "salvation".
To me the question is how can we prevent such things happening
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posted September 24, 2008 12:01 PM |
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Yes the man died in the hospital after shooting himself on the head. This was a day ago I think.
I think the motive has to be found in order to stop these things. People who hate humanity have got to be existed before. Why are they doing this only now? They've got guns before. Why aren't they just doing a simple suicide anymore? Is it a celebrity cult or something else?
I can't understand. Maybe they're just stupid. Who knows?
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posted September 24, 2008 02:12 PM |
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It must be a celebrity cult! Come! We must go and burn all the pictures of Brad Pit!!! (Seriously!?!?!? What do the Brad Pit worshippers see in that past middle aged guy?)
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I seriously doubt it and people are very complex so I think its a waste of time to try and find the reasons behind a dead shooter's deeds. It would propably turn into a witch-hunt. (Someone mentioned earlier to have heard some wild rumors about a suicide note/letter, "reasoning" found.)
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posted September 24, 2008 03:30 PM |
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Why is a gun so easy to get in Finland? Its so diffrent from the other nordic countries...
No civilan should ever have a gun, there is no reason (and I dont like hunting other animals either).
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