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Orc
Orc


Famous Hero
posted December 28, 2019 12:20 AM
Edited by Orc at 00:24, 28 Dec 2019.

phoenix4ever said:
That is honestly a real good question, since Red Dragons have 1 more attack, defense and speed than Green Dragons. They also cost 100 gold more.
I would suggest switching their AI Values.


what bugs me is that the combat value for red dragon IS better than that of green dragon, but regular AI value still wasnt fixed :/

Edit: unliss there is a reason to make Reds more likely to join while greens more fearless.

only reason I can think of is that greens have more pride and reds are more obedient and tamed by mighty overlords.

but that has nothing to do with gameplay, and almost all creatures do not follow that.

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monere
monere


Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
posted December 28, 2019 12:47 AM

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unliss there is a reason to make Reds more likely to join while greens more fearless
now, I can't prove anything but since I always play with diplomacy I have noticed this to be the case many times. Whenever I go on a dragon joining spree in month 11 I always end up with 1.5x-2.5x more red/black dragons than green/gold ones.

You might be onto something here
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Orc
Orc


Famous Hero
posted December 28, 2019 11:05 AM

monere said:
Quote:
unliss there is a reason to make Reds more likely to join while greens more fearless
now, I can't prove anything but since I always play with diplomacy I have noticed this to be the case many times. Whenever I go on a dragon joining spree in month 11 I always end up with 1.5x-2.5x more red/black dragons than green/gold ones.

You might be onto something here


well Green Dragons do have higher value, but Gold Dragons have lower value than black dragons.

in fact blacks have highest AI value from all lvl 7, even greater than Arch Angels.

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phoenix4ever
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posted December 28, 2019 12:22 PM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 12:25, 28 Dec 2019.

Black Dragons are great, I hate when they get shot down by Arrow Towers and there is nothing you can do about it though. It really is a bummer that they (and Gold Dragons) can't be resurrected.
So the question is what are you gonna do to keep those dragons alive?, get Ballistics so you can destroy Arrow Towers?, get First Aid so you can heal your dragons?, or spam Earthquake and hope to destroy enemy's Arrow Towers ASAP?

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Orc
Orc


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posted December 28, 2019 01:39 PM

phoenix4ever said:
Black Dragons are great, I hate when they get shot down by Arrow Towers and there is nothing you can do about it though. It really is a bummer that they (and Gold Dragons) can't be resurrected.
So the question is what are you gonna do to keep those dragons alive?, get Ballistics so you can destroy Arrow Towers?, get First Aid so you can heal your dragons?, or spam Earthquake and hope to destroy enemy's Arrow Towers ASAP?


Id recruit goblins and wolf raiders

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phoenix4ever
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posted December 28, 2019 02:51 PM

What does that have to do with Arrow Towers shooting at Black Dragons?

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Orc
Orc


Famous Hero
posted December 28, 2019 03:13 PM

phoenix4ever said:
What does that have to do with Arrow Towers shooting at Black Dragons?


Arrow towers like Skeletons, Goblins, and wolf riders more than black dragons.

they also like archers.

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phoenix4ever
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posted December 28, 2019 08:37 PM

Not necessarily, sometimes they shoot your dragons and the question was what do you do then?

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Orc
Orc


Famous Hero
posted December 29, 2019 01:35 AM
Edited by Orc at 01:40, 29 Dec 2019.

phoenix4ever said:
Not necessarily, sometimes they shoot your dragons and the question was what do you do then?


in that case you dont have many options left.

1-) Air Shield (oh wait it doesnt work)
2-) Armorer
3-) mass cure every turn (oh wait it doesnt work)
4-) first aid skill
5-) Enhanced War Machine Script (First Aid Tent will revive units after battle; so if only dragons died, script will revive some of them). Make Sure First aid tent is alive until the end of battle. Also, Revive all other units before battle to insure only dragons are resurrected.

Edit:There is an easier solution though: dont bring them to the fight, or dont upgrade them before fight so you can resurrect.


Though now you raise the question: why would arrow towers choose to target dragons over goblins? what exactly determines who they target?

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Zaio-Baio
Zaio-Baio


Promising
Famous Hero
posted December 29, 2019 11:24 PM

You can use black orb to negete gold and black dragons immunity and be able to resurrect them.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted December 30, 2019 10:55 AM

You don't always have Orb of Vulnerability, besides there are 3 Rampart heroes and 1 Dungeon hero that starts with the Resistance skill, which get completely ruined by Orb of Vulnerability.

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Legendary Hero
posted December 30, 2019 08:10 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 20:48, 30 Dec 2019.

phoenix4ever said:
Not necessarily, sometimes they shoot your dragons and the question was what do you do then?

If AI thinks you are stronger it will attack your weakest units first, if it thinks you are weaker it will attack the strongest ones first. So, you may get creative (use exploits) and not bring your dragons (or not all of them) or you can wait until you are the strongest one to attack the town. I recommend the first option.
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phoenix4ever
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Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted December 30, 2019 08:24 PM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 20:25, 30 Dec 2019.

bloodsucker said:
F... Am I the only one who feels you are polluting a sacred space?

What does that mean?
But yeah it's pretty weird, with it shooting at different targets depending on how it perceive your strength.

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Orc
Orc


Famous Hero
posted December 31, 2019 12:10 AM

bloodsucker said:
phoenix4ever said:
Not necessarily, sometimes they shoot your dragons and the question was what do you do then?

If AI thinks you are stronger it will attack your weakest units first, if it thinks you are weaker it will attack the strongest ones first. So, you may get creative (use exploits) and not bring your dragons (or not all of them) or you can wait until you are the strongest one to attack the town. I recommend the first option.


nice finding. does that mean my Wyverns and Efreets are always safe when I have lvl 1 and lvl 7 preset?

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infinitekh
infinitekh

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posted March 30, 2021 08:45 AM

I want new version of this article.

Since this file was created in 2008, there are some problems.
In the HeroesHD patch, defensive skills and air shield bugs were fixed.

Also, I don't know when it was revised, but forgettness-spells have been around for a long time since they worked as full magic from the expert level, but they still show information from the past.

In addition, the relationship between the forgettness spell and melee-penalty contained incorrect information, so it was impossible to reproduce.

This article was translated by Google Translator.

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Promising
Supreme Hero
posted March 30, 2021 08:56 AM

New versions are updated frequently as FizMig documentation but it's available only in russian.
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madmardigan
madmardigan

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posted April 02, 2021 04:24 AM

rainalcar said:
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I take my hat of to you. This is really great stuff. May I ask how the hell you found out about all this?


By testing, playing, talking with others, I had some people I knew on russian heroes scene as well in the old days. I told you I played decent back then . As for your comments, I won't even quote those that you are completely correct with, mate . And in my defense regarding specific battle tactics, large majority of it isn't mine . 9/10 things you saw wrong are leftovers from God knows where. I did introduce some mistakes, like PoS. K, on to the comments:

Quote:

If you have shooters in your army and empty slots place as many single shooters to the right in your line up as possible. The turrets will allways hit the stacks in the bottom of the screen first even though it is total overkill.


Nice, I've forgotten of this.

Quote:
"If the opponent has Expert Tactics he can never deploy his shooter stack in a way to cover both opposite corners, you will always be able to place a 1-hex unit (only) in one of those corners, and it will receive half the damage."

What do you mean? I dont get it.


I don't recall exactly, but I think this is from a very peculiar fight I had years ago. It means that you can't position your 1-hex shooter with Expert Tactics so that it covers entire field with full arrow. Either the upper right or the lower right hex will remain with penalty. Yes, useless . But there was one game where this was very interesting, I won because of this fact, but beats me what was it about.

Quote:
Dosent go for ammo cart and tent if no damage is to be healed from the tent.


Elaborate?

Quote:
"AI will never wait if it can attack."

Not true. But in most cases.


When will it wait?

Quote:
"It is possible to take a full Utopia with shooters (Grand Elves), or appropriate level 7 flyer (Archangels, Archdevils) very early if accompanied by Force Field spell (costs 12) and sufficient mana."

Make sure your opponent are willing to give you loads.


He, he. It's not all about winning, I managed this a few times (lost more then won in total of course, but I don't recall exactly), but the feeling when I did succeed was better then 99% of all victories.

Quote:
"Therefore, if you have Dragons of any sort, it is important to position your troops so that the Flys cannot cause a Firebreath attack against your stack."

Just place single fodder on 3, 4 and 5.


Yes, that's nice.


AI can cast any adventure spell when on cursed ground, not only Dim door.
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Phoenix4ever
Phoenix4ever


Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted April 02, 2021 08:09 AM

madmardigan said:
AI can cast any adventure spell when on cursed ground, not only Dim door.

Except AI can not cast View Air, View Earth, Disguise, Scuttle Boat or Visions.

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nevernotloveyo
nevernotloveyo

Tavern Dweller
posted June 03, 2021 05:40 AM

This is interesting. Glad that I found this site. Thank you.
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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Legendary Hero
posted February 01, 2023 04:30 AM

Hi! Anyone has a suggestion on how to force a human player to take a certain NEUTRAL town before being able to continue throw another path?
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