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Doomforge
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posted October 13, 2008 06:59 PM |
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You need Stat-Att-J. From GFs you have now, only Siren has it ;p
I advice you to draw 100 sleeps from those weird looking weed things (grat or something like that) in training center. A bit tedious (~5 mins of work and you have to count them manually..) but almost every regular monsters at disc 1 is susceptible to sleep (including the problematic T-rex  )
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Elvin
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posted October 13, 2008 07:02 PM |
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Ah ok I thought I was doing something wrong. When you try to follow a simple tutorial but fail then you feel that you suck  Where do you get siren btw? I only have ifrit apart from my starting ones.
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Doomforge
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posted October 13, 2008 07:08 PM |
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Communication tower. The monster called Elvoret. Forgot to draw Siren of him? Aww, shucks. You won't be able to get that important GF anywhere else.
Btw, the dialog on the com tower always makes me laugh.
"they have seen a monster shaped shadow on the top"
now, what can it be.. A monster shaped shadow.. can it be a monster? noooo, it has to be a bird!
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Elvin
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posted October 13, 2008 07:22 PM |
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The whole case up there was priceless 
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posted October 13, 2008 07:25 PM |
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Edited by Totoro at 20:17, 13 Oct 2008.
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IMO, FF7 is much, much more fun than FF8. It has a better story and better gameplay. And it's harder to make all of the characters exactly the same in FF7 than in FF8. The only way you can do that in FF7 is if you do a bunch of sidequests, get Mystiles or Wizard's Bracelets and the ultimate weapons, and so on - and, unless you have Master Materia, they'll still end up being pretty different. Not in FF8, though. You just Draw, Draw, and Draw, and it gets boring. Then you junction everything exactly the same way, and the only differences become GFs (and except for Cerberus, Doomtrain, Eden, and sometimes Carbuncle you won't be using any of them by the end of the game) and limit breaks.
When it comes to this, FF9 is simply the best. Do I need to tell why?
At first, every character can't gain every ability and spell. You have to wear certain equipment to start learning certain abilities and wear these equips until you've learned them. This ensures that you won't just wear the best things. Every character is unique and you will need all of them in some points.
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I'm tired of epic world saving. FF8 was more natural.
The only Final Fantasy coming in mind where they don't save the world is #12. They just save their home nation.
I think the popularity of Final Fantasies is because their plots always involves something big, meaning saving the world.
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It was the first game most of the FF fans ever played.
That's because FF7 was the first FF released outside Japan.
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Doomforge
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posted October 13, 2008 07:32 PM |
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ok, plot aside, there are things that annoyed me in every FF, battle wise!
FF7: KOTR+hp absorb. 129987 damage. Fully replenishes health. Now just mime.
Why does it sucks? Because the animation is extremely long and - imho - it looks poor. Compared to eye candy like omnislash - simple in design, but highly enjoyable even after like 200 times - it sucks.
And it kills the challenge. You are immortal with it and you kill almost everything except weapons in 1-2 attacks.
Yawn. I never use KOTR, even against the Weapons. Makes the game much more challenging.
FF8: Cast aura at Zell. press -> and <-. Then press X and O. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. there you go, boss owned. Challenge? What is challenge?
FFX: The system is fun, but Kimahri doesn't fit, he's so damn useless, and his limit breaks suck. But at least it's one of the FFs where most of your team is unique and has its uses (not in international grid, ofc.).
FF9: I have yet to try 
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Elvin
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posted October 13, 2008 08:17 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 20:18, 13 Oct 2008.
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The knights were kinda lame though fun the first time you get to use them. At some point you wish for a way to skip those insanely long animations.. Btw Sephiroth's universe attack thingy was awesome
Btw since I had made a poor start decided to restart the game. After all most of my time was in those tutorials 
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Doomforge
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posted October 13, 2008 08:19 PM |
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Yeah but limits like Lion Heart and Omnislash don't last that long yet are a brilliant piece of animation (ok outdated a bit but I still think they are an eyecandy).
Summons, like KoTR or Eden, are just lame long crap ;/
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Elvin
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posted October 13, 2008 08:20 PM |
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I'll agree with omnislash, now that was something to see 
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posted October 13, 2008 08:20 PM |
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Communication tower. The monster called Elvoret. Forgot to draw Siren of him? Aww, shucks. You won't be able to get that important GF anywhere else.
Possible spoiler: Actually you can get it in Ultimecia's Castle.
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That's because FF7 was the first FF released outside Japan.
That is not quite right since the first Final Fantasy to be released outside Japan was Final Fantasy on the NES (Nintendo Entertainment System). After that they released Final Fantasies 2 and 3 in Japan and the next Final Fantasy to be released outside of Japan was Final Fantasy 4 for the Super NES and the game was toned down a little since at the time they thought that it was too complicated for their audience outside of Japan. The title was changed into 2 since there were no 2 and 3 outside Japan. Final Fantasy 6 was renamed into Final Fantasy 3 for the outside of Japan -release.
Then they decided to stop screwing around and just keep the title: "Final Fantasy 7". It caused a bit of confusion, but they told the truth. Later on they released a bunch of remakes of the "missing" titles.
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Totoro
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posted October 13, 2008 08:27 PM |
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That is not quite right since the first Final Fantasy to be released outside Japan was Final Fantasy on the NES (Nintendo Entertainment System). After that they released Final Fantasies 2 and 3 in Japan and the next Final Fantasy to be released outside of Japan was Final Fantasy 4 for the Super NES and the game was toned down a little since at the time they thought that it was too complicated for their audience outside of Japan. The title was changed into 2 since there were no 2 and 3 outside Japan. Final Fantasy 6 was renamed into Final Fantasy 3 for the outside of Japan -release.
Then they decided to stop screwing around and just keep the title: "Final Fantasy 7". It caused a bit of confusion, but they told the truth. Later on they released a bunch of remakes of the "missing" titles.
Alright, but were these first three outside Japan releases also released in Europe or just in the states?
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Keksimaton
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posted October 13, 2008 08:31 PM |
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Alright, but were these first three outside Japan releases also released in Europe or just in the states?
I don't know for at the time I was either not even born yet or too young to remember anything or pay attention . Go check Wikipedia or something .
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Doomforge
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posted October 13, 2008 08:58 PM |
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I'll agree with omnislash, now that was something to see
wait for lion heart, now that's even more amazing
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posted October 13, 2008 09:25 PM |
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If you people haven't noticed yet, every single character in FF7 is somekind of epic story or something like there's not a single normal one in the world.
It's annoying.
In FF8 they are much more normal, like Zell or Laguna. Then there's the two FF persons I hate most in the game, those being Squall and Rinoa. Squall is just way too jackass, like most of the modern kids playing cool these days, and Rinoa is just plain annoying. Liked Seifer and Quistis though.
AND PEOPLE! WAKE UP!
Did it work? You listening? No?
READ HERE!
Better? ok
The point of the game isn't to get guys who do 9999*9999 damage or make everyone just the same. This isn't called power gaming it's called roleplaying! I missed maybe half of the GFs in the game and didn't give a ****. I never got around to junctioning ultima or meteor and still didn't give a ****. I had Rinoa who was a spellcaster and Quistis was my main damage dealer and Squall was just some random guy throwing potions for Christ's sake. Oh, and I used cerberus the most and I loved it.
DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT GET MY POINT
*rant off
And DF, you had to use someone because of her great ultimate weapon and limit break. LOL
Would she have hit you if you hadn't?
If you all didn't get my point (as I suggest), you should now that it was that you can play the game just as wýou want it and no-ones going to stop you from doing it. No one.
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Doomforge
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posted October 13, 2008 10:09 PM |
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But that's how I want it to be. I'm a power gamer.
YES YES THAT'S ME I WANT POWER, MORE POWER, AND EVEN MORE POWEEEEEER!!!
Seriously, if I play not the best thing the game offers me, I feel sick 
And I just love to analyze each game and search for THE ULTIMATE way to PWN.
<nerd>
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Asheera
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posted October 13, 2008 10:12 PM |
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Usually when I'm playing a RPG I always want to search everything, including each and every corner
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posted October 14, 2008 01:23 AM |
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JoonasTo:
What's the point of playing the game if you're not going to play it to the max?
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True. That was as stupid as Nibelhelm confusion imho. But it wasn't as long, and as important for the story.
Are you serious? The GF thing was basically FF8's only plot twist, so it was much more important in comparison to the rest of the story. The Nibelheim flashback was an important part, but it had other important parts to not make it stand out so much. Plus it's perhaps one of the most awesome parts in any game.
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I would personally prefer Edea as the main evil, without that possess thing. The fact that (spoilers >_> ) she was matron would make it even more interesting. But no, they had to revert to typical "I want to rule the world" villain. Meh. What a waste of a character.
Agreed. But you know what was even more stupid? Adel. I mean, she used to rule Esthar, and the game had Laguna sneaking around and plotting against her, then they introduce her for less than 5 minutes in the main story, and then that's it.
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I found Rinoa much more natural than both of the FF7 girls. I liked her personally, I liked Tifa too. But I hated Aeris. Too "pink" in character. Extremely annoying. I cheered for Sephiroth when sliced her through.
Rinoa was extremely annoying. ("You're going to like me. You're going to like me." And her jumping on Squall on the train at the mission to assassinate Vinzer Deling. And so on.) Aeris was like Rinoa, but with a better backstory and without the annoying personality.
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Barret is a main character and you should compare him with, say, Seifer.
Actually, Barret isn't nearly as important as Seifer - halfway through the game, he just becomes a generic party member. But even so, he's still much more interesting of a character than Seifer. Barret lost his wife, best friend, and arm, and wants revenge. Seifer is some annoying punk who thinks he is a knight.
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Because their motives have been extremely mundane. Barret - vengeance. Aeris - Christ in skirt. Red - "i wanna see my hometown" and then "i wanna be like my father" yawn. Cloud, "let's find Sephiroth", and then "let's save world. Sorry but it sucked balls. ;p
At least they had motives. Because after the Missile Base, the FF8 characters really didn't have much of a motivation at all. Several times during the story I just had to pause and think, "Okay, why are we doing this?" I never had to ask that question of FF7 or 9.
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we know nothing about Turks in FF7 except that they are secret agents. Raijin and Fuujin at least have some background. Not to mention Seifer, which eats all FF7 chars alone.
The Turks are awesome. That's all we need to know. Fuijin and Raijin are teh weaksauce. "RAGE!" "Seifer's really strong, ya know." Seifer can't hold a candle to them, either.
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FF7's plot was boring and confusing, at least for me. FF8 was more realistic and less "let's save the world", except for the end. I liked it a lot more.
Compared to FF7, FF8 is like wading through treacle. I still liked it, but it's nowhere near as good as 7 or 9, IMO.
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It was the first game most of the FF fans ever played. First time usually tastes the best..
Here's the order in which I played them: 7 and 9 at the same time, then 8, then 10, then 12. And I think that 7>9>10>8>12.
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I think Civ 1 > Civ 4, for instance. Yes, I am biased because Civ 1 was my first.
I only played Civ 3 and Civ 4, and I played Civ 3 first, but I prefer Civ 4, even though there are certain elements of Civ 3 that I miss.
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FF7: KOTR+hp absorb. 129987 damage. Fully replenishes health. Now just mime.
Unless you also use the W-Item trick, Emerald Weapon will destroy you. And if you want to do that to Ruby Weapon successfully, you also need Hades and Final Attack + Phoenix.
Plus, it's not exactly easy to get the setups you describe, so if you go through all the work to get them, they'd better be worth it.
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FFX: The system is fun, but Kimahri doesn't fit, he's so damn useless, and his limit breaks suck. But at least it's one of the FFs where most of your team is unique and has its uses (not in international grid, ofc.).
Actually, if you play for long enough (and aren't doing an NSGNO challenge), your characters will become the same except for Overdrives.
Plus, if you're really seeking a challenge, try beating FFX with an NSGNCNONANENNENBB. (No Sphere Grid, No Customizing, No Overdrives, No Aeons, No Escaping, No [No Encounters], No Blitzball.) And if you manage that, try doing that on the International Version and fighting the Dark Aeons. Or try playing FF7 without materia and just using the initial equipment. There's always a way to make a game more challenging.
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The only Final Fantasy coming in mind where they don't save the world is #12. They just save their home nation.
Actually, they saved their home continent. But it still felt much more epic than FF8.
But 12 suffered from insanely poor pacing and poor story presentation. Plus the difficulty was crazily uneven. Between the beginning and the Leviathan, it goes from easy to impossible. Then I got my first quickening, and it became 5-year-old easy difficulty, and it stayed that way from the Leviathan to the the way to Archades, where the difficulty started picking up again, until it became hard again. Then, after fighting Cid, the difficulty drops again, and stays pretty low until the final battle, where Vayne and Vayne Novus are easy, but the Undying is pretty hard.
And 12 has some of the most boring sidequests ever.
Woo-hoo! OGET quote wars! 
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posted October 14, 2008 10:14 AM |
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Well, if you like that Nibel confusion, I can't help it. That's where matter of taste takes over.. ;p
Yeah, Adel sucked.
I found that "jumping at squall" at train pretty cute. Aeris was just an annoying b****.
Barret better than Seifer? Bah, another Hollywoodish man who lost too much and it got the better of him. Yawn. On the other hand, have you seen many jocks with a dream to become knights in movies or games? Barret's motives are downright BORING.
As for the motivation, they are pretty simple, I think.
SPOILERS
1. Squall has an exam to pass
2. Squall has a mission to complete (as a professional)
3. Squall has to get the heck out of the prison
4. Squall wants to save his home from being destroyed by missiles
5. Squall gets promoted to commander and thus is directly responsible for what happens at the garden battles
6. Squall feels deep regret for not showing Rinoa any interest and wants to undo the situation
7. Squall wants to save Rinoa at any cost
It becomes pointless at disc 4 only (Squall wants to save the world is not an answer for me).
WHILE IN FF7 it's like "Cloud wants to save the world" from almost the very beginning (save his pretty good "I don't care for this rubbish" attitude, but it lasts awfully short ;/). I mean, why would they even want to follow Sephiroth. They were a little group of nobodies. Think about it, why on earth did they really think they can "save the planet" it's ridiculous. That's what I hate about that game.
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Unless you also use the W-Item trick, Emerald Weapon will destroy you.
No he won't. Get Gay-man and get him as little materia as possible. You'll survive Airetam Storm (Materia storm backwards) without any problem since it's based on the number of carried materia and the rest of Emerald attacks aren't lethal. All you need is mime omnislash with hp absorb. No more boring KOTR bwahaha.
(anybody agrees that this was the most lame summon ever? Eden is very close, but at least you can boost him during the animation, and the explosion looks good. The knights' "attacks" look like crap on the other hand:/)
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And if you want to do that to Ruby Weapon successfully, you also need Hades and Final Attack + Phoenix.
Comet=Quadra Comet=MPTurbo Comet=Mpabsorb W-Magic=Magic Plus and who needs that stupid KOTR. Final Attack=Phoenix is cool.
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Actually, if you play for long enough (and aren't doing an NSGNO challenge), your characters will become the same except for Overdrives.
True, but by default they differ a lot.
As for making the game more challenging.. nawww, I like to enjoy what SE intented for this game. I only don't what's totally imbalanced or boring.
So I don't use KOTR in FF7, makes the game too easy and is boring to watch
And I don't use Zell in FF8, I like the guy but I think that nobody intended him to do that damage, using just his simplest moves to get as many hits as possible is just abuse.
Reduced the number of quotes. FF12 was basically without love story, and that's what I can't stand. Ok there was something implied but where's the true thing?
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mvassilev
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posted October 14, 2008 02:51 PM |
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On the other hand, have you seen many jocks with a dream to become knights in movies or games?
It's so pathetic that no one even bothers putting them into movies and games.
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4. Squall wants to save his home from being destroyed by missiles
5. Squall gets promoted to commander and thus is directly responsible for what happens at the garden battles
There's a disconnect between 4 and 5. Squall just saves his home, and suddenly he's promoted to Commander and everyone starts being like "Squall is cool!" When there are undoubtedly more qualified and experienced SeeD members to take command. Giving Squall command of Balamb Garden makes as much sense as giving Jack Churchill command of the Allied forces. It really stretches credibility.
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I mean, why would they even want to follow Sephiroth.
Their motives aren't immediately obvious, but become so later on. Cloud is confused, and may subconsciously think that defeating Sephiroth will fix everything. Tifa's father was killed by Sephiroth. Aeris is the last of the Ancients, and wants to protect the Planet. The others initially just want to go after Shinra, and think that following Sephiroth would be a good way to find and kill the leading Shinra managers, including Rufus.
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Get Gay-man
Who? 
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You'll survive Airetam Storm (Materia storm backwards) without any problem since it's based on the number of carried materia and the rest of Emerald attacks aren't lethal. All you need is mime omnislash with hp absorb.
Emerald will just crush you with its regular attacks then.
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Comet=Quadra Comet=MPTurbo Comet=Mpabsorb W-Magic=Magic Plus and who needs that stupid KOTR.
Yes, but for that you need three Comet materia - not something you can get quickly.
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Reduced the number of quotes. FF12 was basically without love story, and that's what I can't stand. Ok there was something implied but where's the true thing?
The love story was supposed to be between Rassler and Ashe - Ashe stayed faithful to him even though he was dead. But I liked it not having a love story. I don't hate love stories, but I hate FF8's. FF7's was well integrated into the rest of the plot, as was FF9's. FF10's stuck out a bit, but wasn't too bad, despite Tidus being one of the most annoying characters in any FF game ever. But in FF8, the love story was basically the whole plot - which, IMO, does not make for a great game. If I wanted to play a dating sim, I'd play a dating sim.
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Totoro
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posted October 14, 2008 03:01 PM |
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Edited by Totoro at 15:06, 14 Oct 2008.
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Actually, they saved their home continent.
Na-ah, http://www.final-fantasy-12.com/maps/ff12_world_map.jpg You can see how the land keeps going to the west even though Dalmasca is just the eastern part of it.
If you want to see even larger map, there's one by the intro of the game which also shows the borders of nations.
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