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Take Roswell. If there has been something covered up there then it was because the people in charge hoped to gain something: tech, information, an edge against the Russians, whatever.
And why wouldn't that apply here as well? After all, they wanted to have "the edge" as well...
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posted October 15, 2008 05:25 PM |
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I answered that in the last post.
As far as I know there were six landings at different locations. After that no one visited anymore.
That narrows things down quite a bit, don't you think? To something that could be transported back with the shuttle and then fit into the landing pod. Besides the dust and rocks and all, that is.
What might that have been? Some small discs in a case that some alien left there, like, CDs with alien punk music? Alien porn DVDs in 3d-betterthanlife-holo-technology? A small rock with strange runes a computer later identified as meaning "Darth Vader was here"?
Or, wait, a laser weapon. Yes. That's it. Or something that looked like a laser weapon. Or a desintegrator. Or a zap gun. A plasma pistol...
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posted October 15, 2008 05:27 PM |
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Why do you ask me that lol? 
I wish I knew
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posted October 15, 2008 05:48 PM |
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I ask you that because it's completely absurd. Do you really think they found something small enough to take it with them, but not more? A lonely box as big as, say a very small microwave oven, made out of some strange material, immediately recognizable as alien due to its mind-warping geometry, A FIND EVERYONE KNEW IMMEDIATELY THEY WOULD HAVE TO COVER IT UP? Nothing else, of course, because that would have made them come back.
Instead they made five probes at random locations whether they might be lucky enough and find more, and when they didn't they decided that was that and left the moon to itself, meanwhile studying Pandora's Box they mysteriously stumbled upon right on their first visit, finding the needle in the haystack - which is probably rotting right now in some giant secret government store right beside the lost Ark Indy saved from the grip of the evil Nazis.
Or they may have opened it and freed some alien virus changing humans slowly into empty husks, bodies snatched by monstrous evil aliens, starting with those in the highest offi... umm, err, hmm.
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posted October 16, 2008 06:17 AM |
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You're looking at the situation the wrong way.
Here's how it works.
The claim is that NASA goes to the moon.
Skeptics need evidence.
NASA supplies photos and film footage and moon rocks.
Skeptics say that these are fake and still don't believe.
Thus there is nothing more that can be done (aside from going back there again) to prove it to the skeptics, because you can't disprove their skepticism. The burden of proof is on NASA, they supplied proof, and now if the skeptics want to still refuse it then that is up to them, but if they want other people to agree with them that it is fake THEY need to prove that it is. Because if it isn't fake, then it is impossible to prove that it isn't fake, so the burdenof proof can't possibly be on NASA.
I really don't know how else to put it into words.
I wouldn't call writing something down in a book evidence.
And what is written in the Bible has been proven to be false, so it's a bad example.
I really don't know how to write it differently to explain it, and I know this is going to go straight over your head the death
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posted October 16, 2008 08:10 AM |
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I think, it's a bit different, since you make it look like it just happened, but in fact it was an 8-year development with all the stages of the program there to watch and analyze. It was much more than just an event - above everything else the 60s are the rocket decade.
It's not that NASA said,ok, people, we decided to make a trip to the moon, here we go, watch the show on TV tonite. It was a succession of missions and tests over a course of 8 years that brought a lot of byproducts: a lot of the tech today owes its beginnings space flight.
People knew what was happeneing and watched every step of the way. When Apollo 8 was the first manned mission that rounded another planet, does anyone think that was less of a sensation on Christman 1968 than the actual landing on that planet 7 months later? Every single thing that happend there was something of a first time, and there were many of them.
You know, second half of the sixties was the time when everything seemed possible if people just wanted to do it.
In Germany 10 years before the biggest Science Fiction series of the world had started (still running, btw) where the story began basically with a successful moon landing (when that seemed not in anyone's grasp, remember) where the astronauts would find the damaged spaceship of an alien race, including two living, humanoid aliens, and would use the technology of the aliens to establish a new state within the desert Gobi - with the state of international affairs the astronauts were wise enough not to put that tech into the hands of any nation.
Anyway, a lot of people then did actually expect that something would happen. Astronauts would find something, anything, that would be the start of yet another step for humanity. Think of the 2001 movie. The first step into space was much more than just an event that took place somewhere hardly noticed. It was something where people started to think more than national, but in terms of humanity.
The only thing that didn't actually work out was the moon itself, since it proved to be such a drab piece of dusty rock.  It was somehow a real downer and didn't fit into a world which apart of that was dominated by Swinging London and the pop culture.
In other words: it's just part of our darn history like the Atomic Bomb, or buildings that are a couple hundred meters high.
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posted October 16, 2008 10:17 AM |
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So you're saying people were expecting little green/gray men on the moon? Oh, come on.
btw, even though I was wrong in the two cases, we still have a long list to go through  (although my confidence kinda diminished ;p)
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posted October 16, 2008 11:12 AM |
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So you're saying people were expecting little green/gray men on the moon? Oh, come on.
Well, I don't know WHAT people expected - I suppose everyone expected something else -, but there were a lot of expectations to find SOMEthing, ANYthing, to go on with, you know. A hint, a relic, a welcome comittee, a building guideline for a hyperspace engine, you know, something that would develop its own pull further into space.
In retrospect this may seem childish, but people expecting something and get disappointed seem to happen all the time, so why should it have been different when something really extraordinary happened? I'd say it's pretty darn normal.
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posted October 16, 2008 11:29 AM |
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I'm gonna be honest with you I doubt there were many people hoping for the guidelines for a hyperspace engine.
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Well, what I wanted to say is, that there was all kinds od expectations, ranging from completely undetermined (something), so outright absurd - like it always is.
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I wouldn't call writing something down in a book evidence.
And what is written in the Bible has been proven to be false, so it's a bad example.
No not the writing in it, but the book itself. I can say some aliens handed down the book -- it may be false, but who cares? I show you the book, and say it has been written by aliens or "found on the Moon" to put it on topic. Then, you can do 2 things:
1) Say that I made it up myself
2) Say that it's true and it was found on the Moon
How is that any different than photos? So the conclusion is, the burden of proof is on you to prove that the book is not from the Moon and it is fake. Right?
Note again: it doesn't matter what's written in it.
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posted October 17, 2008 06:45 AM |
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*sigh*
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posted October 18, 2008 01:19 PM |
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TheDeath..again with that train of thought NOTHING is real. Because nothing can be proven. Not science, not even that you exsist at all. We all see you, but does that mean you are real? How can we prove you exsist?
Besides, you wouldn't have had millions watching your every step, making it near impossible to do fake anything. Think of how many things could have gone wrong with a hoax. Plus, there were satelites in space, I am sure more then a few tracked the shuttle the WHOLE time. And you know some were not from friendly governments, why not just come forward and say. "Ve have ze proof they did not go to ze moon!" They had no reason NOT to.
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TheDeath..again with that train of thought NOTHING is real. Because nothing can be proven. Not science, not even that you exsist at all. We all see you, but does that mean you are real? How can we prove you exsist?
Yeah, but a bunch of photos are any better than a book? Or is it more "scientific" than the book? (Bible)
Unless of course we have certain beliefs
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Besides, you wouldn't have had millions watching your every step, making it near impossible to do fake anything. Think of how many things could have gone wrong with a hoax. Plus, there were satelites in space, I am sure more then a few tracked the shuttle the WHOLE time. And you know some were not from friendly governments, why not just come forward and say. "Ve have ze proof they did not go to ze moon!" They had no reason NOT to.
If there are aliens, maybe they all agreed not to inform the public as it may cause some kind of paranoia or chaos or panic etc... Or if they discovered something weird, same story.
OR, the Shuttle landed on the moon with probes and not humans. Or possibly they landed but covered it up.
And I doubt those "millions" watching their every step went into the most highly secured areas requiring strict authorizations. Most just were "watching" from what their friends told them, which in turn told "watched" from the media.
How much first-hand experience do people have?
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posted November 06, 2008 09:50 PM |
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Yes - We have been to the moon - I've proven the physical aspects of it, or the psyical aspects that the doubters believe.
The conspiracy are actully pretty bad and have no truth in them, only if you are a conspiracy theorist.
Yeah well, all I can add to this topic
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Theres a flag on the moon, that's gotta say something.
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posted November 06, 2008 10:00 PM |
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Lol lets see if the chinese boyz finds it
I dont really see the purpose on going to the moon anyway.
Focus on Mars instead where much more interesting things have happened, maybe they will find an underground refuge of aliens there lol ^^ <.<
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