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Celfious
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posted November 15, 2008 12:43 AM
Edited by Celfious at 01:03, 15 Nov 2008.

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A moment in time. I cannot feed you the path of knowledge I have right now because its so swarmy and moving all over. humans are born into taking life from life. but that doesnt make it right to go full force and breed death camps of animals. I could see eating them after they die as "better" than killing them to eat them sooner. Giving them a good life. And plants, using miracle grow to bring death to ones lawn clippings makes me think humanity as a disease, We have a right to fight for freedom so we shouldnt take away freedom where we dont have to. . And freedom is the right to life without threats or conditions.

I only say quality because this post deserves attention. Not a red star but attention
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posted November 15, 2008 01:16 AM

TheDeath:
I was using heavy sarcasm, in case you couldn't tell.

And you already know what I have to say about the Holocaust.

Asheera:
Actually, I decided that morals are absolute. Note that "absolute" doesn't mean "arbitrary"!
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posted November 15, 2008 11:17 AM

Celf, there will be a time when you'll realize that every person on the planet follows a swarming path of knowledge, which is what is commonly called "thinking". It's not something that only the chosen ones can do.
Now, how people think, and whether they even want to, is sort of different. Very different. But each of them believes he's right and deserves attention

Here's my path of knowledge, wobbly and mountainous as it is.

Waiting for a cow to die is all nice, but you can't eat a 25-year old cow which died from God knows what. It's bloody dangerous and potentially very, very unhealthy. Besides, quote me out of context and accuse me of being a Nazi all you want, but the taste is far worse.

You can't raise your children on nutrition pills.

But see the thing. I have a lot of relatives who are farmers. So they work their arses off to grow crops. They also have some cattle.
It happens, sometimes a lot, that a storm, hail or similar falls and ruins all their crops. All they worked to raise the whole year.
So they focus on pigs and chickens in order not to starve. Putting a stop to eating them, or waiting for them to die of old age, could put your stomach in a very, very uncomfortable position.

Don't you agree?
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posted November 15, 2008 01:41 PM

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Celf, there will be a time when you'll realize that every person on the planet follows a swarming path of knowledge, which is what is commonly called "thinking". It's not something that only the chosen ones can do.
I doubt such farmers are concerned with thinking that deep

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But see the thing. I have a lot of relatives who are farmers. So they work their arses off to grow crops. They also have some cattle.
It happens, sometimes a lot, that a storm, hail or similar falls and ruins all their crops. All they worked to raise the whole year.
So they focus on pigs and chickens in order not to starve. Putting a stop to eating them, or waiting for them to die of old age, could put your stomach in a very, very uncomfortable position.
So this all gets down to jobs? I think the problem here is the system. Killing others (well animals) is no justification because the system is crap.

How about hitmen? Maybe we should LEGALIZE it, so it becomes a more popular "job" (since being unemployed seems to give you the right to do whatever it takes to get employed)
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posted November 15, 2008 08:42 PM
Edited by Celfious at 21:26, 15 Nov 2008.

I didnt say waiting on cows to die was the best solution I only said it was better than death camps. And if someone has no choice but to eat meat then go for it, you have to do what you have to do.  

And forgive me about the path of knowledge I had, there was a reason behind it all, I was far out. As a matter of fact why mock something you know nothing about.  I still have the path to a smaller degree and it boils down to humans breeding death camps because its tastey and they believe its the only way to get health.
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posted November 15, 2008 11:52 PM
Edited by baklava at 23:56, 15 Nov 2008.

@Death
What system? Farmers grow crops, crops get ruined by bad weather. What are they going to do? Sue the atmosphere?
It's not a comfy office job, it's not something that depends on the boss paying you, it's about living off the land. If your crops got ruined and you were threatened with a few weeks of hunger for your children, would you eat a pig or write a petition to mister president?
The governments are guilty for a shyteload of things, but I don't think they can summon and unsummon hailstorms.

@Celfious
But waiting for cows to die isn't a better solution. It would cause far more ecological damage, since more cows would've been bred and the entire meat business would have to spread far more, in order to have generations of cattle die naturally in regular terms. And not only for cows, but for every other animal out there. There are billions of people out there, Celf.
Think of the environment on a greater scale now. Is it better to kill for food, which is basically what every living being does, or to cut down even more forests in order to make apartments for cows to watch TV and hang out in jacuzzis? The planet's overpopulated by humans already, there's no need to overpopulate it even more with other species.

Certainly, we should respect everything we eat, but sometimes we need to pick the lesser evil.
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posted November 16, 2008 08:47 AM
Edited by Celfious at 08:49, 16 Nov 2008.

Its the easier solution to breed animals to kill them in camps, by millions nation wide. I know nothing will stop it but a pure act of divinity but the two of lessor evils on my part is vegetarianism. I'm not trying to convert others, because I know -given modern day mans ways- it would be a vane effort.

Maybe.. I was looking for people to convince me out of my lifestyle, but that didn't happen. My stating things and learning things made me more affirmed in my decision.

Or maybe I was just trying to prove whats been proven, that (bearing in mind contempt before investigation) A: Either people are closed minded to another form of the true reality &/or B: people will not be able to come up with a good enough reason compared to the lessor evils reasoning.

I fall back to my philosophy that atleast 50% of us are wrong. And though you outnumber me, you have to look at the stark truth. That my side of the street has no animal blood on it. No lives of pain, torment or sufferage. I could be wrong, but atleast my sides clean.

Edit: AND I'm healthy
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posted November 16, 2008 10:08 AM

I love steak...
I had a 550 gram steak the other day with bearnaise sauce and fries it was gooood

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posted November 16, 2008 10:41 AM

I like steak too, but whos it gonna kill if I dont eat one and have other awesome things instead? I cant wait until monday I go to an all you can eat place.
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posted November 16, 2008 10:56 AM

Celf you should divert your cause from eating meat to some thing I just saw on the news where they grow animals to take their organs etc. and like genetically modify them to fit humans

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posted November 16, 2008 12:33 PM

Celf, what matters most is that you find your inner peace. You found it in vegetarianism, so why would anyone want to take that away from you?

As for me, I have different views on the matter. I have thought it over, and decided that I'll follow nature's course.
I respect both plants and animals equally. Hell, I respect them more than most humans. But I'm not planning on making my kids grow up on nutrition pills. Balance must be kept - we need to work on better conditions for cattle, yes, but we need to eat, too. Their food and shelter is secured. The slaughtering techniques are quicker than a hundred years ago (trust me, killing a sheep was a shyteload messier then than it is now), far quicker and less painful than most of the deaths an animal may see in nature (eaten alive by wolves, poisoned by a serpent, crushed by a python, etcetera). Cattle will never get extinct as a specie. We can, of course, lower our consumation of them, and spread food equally to starving people. I am all against animal cruelty of any kind, and we should constantly aspire to ease their living conditions and find better, more humane ways to breed them as much as possible. It's not perfect, but let's face it, humans are far from perfect. But we're trying to improve.

We make humanity better step by step. From the racism and antisemitism in the middle of the 20th century to now, when a black person is president of the USA, we have improved a lot. In a hundred years, who knows. But we can't just ban meat-eating now. Even if it was the right way to go, we're not ready yet.

I don't want to live on pills. Since I can't go out and hunt, and since buying vegetables is completely equal as buying meat, I don't see how I have any other choice but to comply with it in order to survive. For now, at least.

Somewhere in the future, a better solution might be revealed. I am all for it. Somewhere inside me, I crave for a better solution. But until then, I'm going to follow my nature, and try to help humanity evolve one bit at a time. Cause there's no other way.

My side of the street is full of trash, dirt and dog shyte. But I'm trying to clean it, as much as I can. In order for the entire street to look nicer.
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posted November 16, 2008 03:15 PM

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What system? Farmers grow crops, crops get ruined by bad weather. What are they going to do? Sue the atmosphere?
Minimum wage laws, others helping them because it wasn't their fault, etc...

Not doing what is necessary to go on because the system is crap.

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Celf, what matters most is that you find your inner peace. You found it in vegetarianism, so why would anyone want to take that away from you?
Because eating animals/plants doesn't affect only you of course (for example: why do you go and help that kid from being beaten up? you've found your inner peace right?)

and the animals vs plants I discussed before why animals = worse. (I mean, eating them)
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posted November 16, 2008 05:09 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 17:10, 16 Nov 2008.

Some people are too "green" to notice killing animals doesn't mean inflicting any pain to them. Oh well.

At least it should look like that. And it is possible, too. If there's something to criticize, it's not killing animals, it's how people kill them.

When your torment-based ideology fails, what else will you resort to, that killing is bad by itself?

Stop smashing bugs then.
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posted November 19, 2008 01:52 PM
Edited by Moonlith at 13:54, 19 Nov 2008.

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I would consider it evolution for people to start realizing we dont need to breed animals into death camps for a tasty meal.

I do believe we realize that.

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Its immature in the sense we want what we want when we want it. Ihe sufferings of the animals do not matter to them.

I fully agree.

That doesn't say anything about why it's morally bad to consume meat, itself. You are making a point against the method of which said food is produced, not meatconsumption.
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posted November 19, 2008 11:18 PM
Edited by Celfious at 23:18, 19 Nov 2008.

I don't know if its ok to consume it or not but why go full force? We already kill plants and water elements We take homes away from forested animals.,, Why go full force where we don't need too?  Maybe its ok, I don't know.. I really don't, so I pick the side I am sure isn't doing any unnecessary damage.
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posted November 20, 2008 01:34 AM

We don't need to? Don't need to do what, exactly? Sounds to me like you don't believe we need to eat meat, but that can't possibly be right?

I mean, last time I checked, humans were still omnivores, and we still had something of a food shortage going on in the world?
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posted November 20, 2008 01:53 AM

We spend more grain on feeding them than we get food from animals, we are able to digest, but are not required to in order to survive.
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posted November 20, 2008 02:28 AM

Lets face it, somebody will eat meat while others eats vegetables. And there will always be 1 minority, unless the area of trade limits what is possible to still be inside the lines of "little of everything needed" diet.

Now, since we are over step 1 aka trade problems.... LETS ARGUE MY MATES!!!!!!!

Meat:
*Tastes good
*Comes from animals
*You will still leave the animals bones
*Impossible to get a full diet on it
*Ya need 10 antilopes to feed 1 lion

Vegetables(the green stuff):
*Tastes good
*Comes from plants, it grows! lawl
*Needs to be ripped of
*Possible to get a full diet on it
*Ya need quite some grass to feed 10 antilopes

I don't really mind either, ofcourse its sad when we breed up to kill and similar and i agree. But so long that is avoided there is someting called the food chain, as humans we are on the top and also receive the most poison trough the chain. But since we got so much influence and we are already more than messing with the scales that balances it, we MUST eat some meat or figur out a way to do regulare wolfs and similar to take our worst position.

Besides we got alot of meat-based traditional food, and we can't leave it to root either or can we? Hard question.
Besides we also got hunting, whom should not be completely banned.
And hunted meat also tends to taste better..........

And also, i would not mind at all to become a vegitarion, but again i don't really got anything againt meat. In the end it tends to be a personal choice unless the ressource chain is messed up or limited, and i guess a vegitarion society would be overall healthyer. But again there will ALWAYS be somebody on both side.
Breeding for killing is wrong. Peace!

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posted November 22, 2008 02:48 AM

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I don't know if its ok to consume it or not but why go full force? We already kill plants and water elements We take homes away from forested animals.,, Why go full force where we don't need too?

I'm not really sure what exactly the point is you're trying to make here, or what exactly is the problem.

Us humans are not some seperate thing on this planet. Like all animals and plants and elements we are connected to one another. All things change and are connected, but it always balances itself out. If a fox population grows too huge, rabbit populations go down, in turn which the overload of foxes have too little food, and gradually die. In turn the rabbits face less predators and can regrow their population again. And again, in turn, the smaller fox population gets an abundance of food, etc.

We humans aren't snowing up this balance, we are merely snowing up ourselves, which I think is a good thing, since otherwise we won't learn. When we snow up the environment enough, WE will be the ones who die en-masse, and in turn it will give nature a chance to recover itself. Like animals, we are too stupid to understand the concept of infinite-growth is an unworkable concept in a limited world. And in turn, like foxes, you have to pay for it with death. That's balance.

Humans can eat meat. That's just another part of that balance, we consume meat. And there is NOTHING wrong with that. The way we produce and deal with lifestock is a whole different matter. And if anything, you can determine how civilized and developed we are by the way we treat other lifeforms.

Point is, I don't get what you mean by "Going full force", as if we are an invading species that has no place on this planet? Fact of the matter is just, most people are too stupid to realize what they are doing.

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