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Moonlith
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posted November 25, 2008 02:26 AM |
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DnD's alignment system
I am not sure if OSM is the place for this, but ah well.
I was thinking about DnD's Good - Neutral - Evil, Lawful - Neutral - Chaotic alignment system, and while it appears to be a nice system to classify creatures and beings, and easy to think up examples of beings that fit a catagory, to me it seems the opposite is not so easily done.
As an example, I thought of Vikings.
How would one classify these in the DnD system? Since they kill and slaughter innocents, one could classify them as evil technically (which in the general definition of 'evil' makes little sense), and one would think they would help out members of their own tribe.
Moreover, they would seem to live in an orderly fashion, yet when plundering they show some heavy chaotic traits, no?
I am severely confused about this.
Is there any expert that can explain? 
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mvassilev
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posted November 25, 2008 03:22 AM |
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inb4thedeath
Anyway, the D&D alignment system has several flaws. One is that it relies too heavily on intentions. Another is that, like the Vikings, many possess traits of both Lawful and Chaotic (or Good and Evil), and to categorize them as Neutral seems somehow inadequate.
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antipaladin
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posted November 25, 2008 08:16 AM |
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i dont think you can catagorize nations aligment. we think there ware evil,they think they warent...
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Galev
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posted November 25, 2008 10:29 AM |
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(not to mention that something like "neutral personality" does not exist -in reality)
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posted November 25, 2008 10:33 AM |
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DnD is extremely oversimplified, unfortunately
As most people have features from nearly all alignments, thus can't be categorized like that.. same for nations and everything else.
Let me give a good example, of myself..
I usually follow laws, which would make me lawful (maybe even lawful good since I am a Christian  )
I often help people without getting anything for me, which would make me neutral good..
I enjoy freedom and hate strictness, which would make me chaotic good..
I am an egoist (most of the time), which would make me chaotic neutral..
I think good and evil is relative, which would make me true neutral..
I enjoy to see people failing and getting owned by life, which would make me either neutral or chaotic evil..
I really hate lucky and happy people, which would make me chaotic evil..
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Moonlith
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posted November 25, 2008 10:54 AM |
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You hate me? ;_;
Anyway, DnD gives a different definition of Evil and Good than we use in our world.
In DnD's universe, Good is defined as compassion, willingness to make sacrifice to help others, valueing life, etc.
Evil is defined as enjoying killing, selfishness, etc.
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Doomforge
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posted November 25, 2008 10:55 AM |
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That's why it works for games, and doesn't work for real life.
ps. no, I don't hate those who I like
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Galev
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posted November 25, 2008 11:29 AM |
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ps. no, I don't hate those who I like
At least, you are consequent 
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del_diablo
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posted November 25, 2008 11:32 AM |
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I usually follow laws, which would make me lawful (maybe even lawful good since I am a Christian )
I often help people without getting anything for me, which would make me neutral good..
I enjoy freedom and hate strictness, which would make me chaotic good..
I am an egoist (most of the time), which would make me chaotic neutral..
I think good and evil is relative, which would make me true neutral..
I enjoy to see people failing and getting owned by life, which would make me either neutral or chaotic evil..
I really hate lucky and happy people, which would make me chaotic evil..
Neutral Good? But tecnicaly its a good system, because over here we only got Good and Evil. Neutral is only mentioned when its by people who are neutral but they tend to be viewed as good.
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posted November 25, 2008 01:42 PM |
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Yes, the D&D alignment system doesn't fit too well - every person has exceptions to his/her behavior.
However, even with these exceptions you still lean towards one of the nine alignment categories. Nobody is a pure 'Neutral Good' or something else.
So, I'm curious Doomforge, if you find the time, take this test and see what you get 
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posted November 25, 2008 01:45 PM |
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I enjoy to see people failing and getting owned by life, which would make me either neutral or chaotic evil..
that's not funny at all.
(as for the lucky ones, yes I hate them as long as they brag about it, not if they for example are charitable).
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posted November 25, 2008 01:49 PM |
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that's not funny at all.
I don't think it was meant to be funny...
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posted November 25, 2008 01:52 PM |
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@william: Quote:
I enjoy to see people failing and getting owned by life
What's enjoyable is usually pleasant/funny. He didn't even said "some bad people" or "***holes" but any people.
I may be too sensitive. I can't possibly see how you can enjoy the fact that someone might get an accident/disease that could paralyze him/her for example. It's like you have no soul (well metaphorically speaking).
I'm not sure if I should continue this anyway. It makes me feel so distasteful for people who can actually LAUGH (more than just enjoy) at stuff like that, especially if said person wasn't an ***hole.
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posted November 25, 2008 02:36 PM |
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TheDeath, if you feel that way, you should never ever go to /b/.
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posted November 25, 2008 02:38 PM |
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Those are funny because they aren't real are they? Plus mostly they aren't even "owned" by life. Being "owned by life" is like getting cancer for example...
ok I'll write something about D&D alignment to keep this on topic (give me some time though I can't right now)
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posted November 25, 2008 02:47 PM |
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And not just /b/. GameFAQs too. One guy on there once said that he wanted to burn a church down. The posters responded with things like, "Go ahead, lol." And then he did.
And I'm pretty sure that there were numerous occasions at which /b/ has laughed at people committing suicide.
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posted November 25, 2008 02:56 PM |
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And not just /b/. GameFAQs too. One guy on there once said that he wanted to burn a church down. The posters responded with things like, "Go ahead, lol." And then he did.
Maybe they thought he was joking or something (what has that got to do with "being owned by life" anyway?). But I'm pretty sure I wouldn't laugh if he was serious, especially after it happened. And yes I would feel bad for laughing before even though I thought it was a joke. (but I don't really blame myself though)
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And I'm pretty sure that there were numerous occasions at which /b/ has laughed at people committing suicide.
Depending on suicide reasons. I think it's pretty sad to laugh at suicide since that person must have been really depressed and I don't think that's funny at all.
For a while I still believed people (not all) can't be that bad can they? Maybe it was just my naive illusion and hope for a few seconds. I lost all hope in most people. In fact I lost hope in humanity (generally speaking of course). Yes if you're wondering I still had a bit of it.
I can't possibly imagine when someone non-***hole just got maybe an accident or something and got blind (just example) and then you walk to him/her and say "OMG pwned LOL!". It makes me sick.
It's even worse than not having any feelings at all (e.g robots), at least in that way you don't laugh or enjoy when that happens but just simply do nothing/don't care (even though it's selfish).
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posted November 25, 2008 03:00 PM |
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And I'm pretty sure that there were numerous occasions at which /b/ has laughed at people committing suicide.
Well, almost too many...
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posted November 25, 2008 03:18 PM |
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Laughter is good for the soul. Through making fun of things, one is assured never to do those things - besides, sometimes his expression of opinion through laughter is far stronger than through serious notes.
Take South Park, for example. It constantly addresses more issues through humor than any of the politicians through serious, dry debates.
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antipaladin
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posted November 25, 2008 04:05 PM |
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what if i will secrfice myself for greater evil,beliving im doing good?
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