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DarkCrystal
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posted December 02, 2008 06:28 PM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 10:25, 28 Dec 2008.
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[NCF Based] Necromancy
It's time to create necromancy mod which will include all NCF creatures
Mod status: beta v.1
Note: If you want to use this mod you must install this creatures:
-Undead Cyclop
-Apocalypse Knight
-Ghost Charger
-Plague Treant
-Rakshasa Vetala
-Blood Hound
-High Lich
-Ghost Knight
-Death Angel
-Necro Giant
-Vopar
List of changes
Original creatures:
Cyclops ------------------Undead Cyclop
Angels ------------------ Death Angel
Treants ----------------- Plague Treant
Unicorns ---------------- Ghost Charger
Cavalier ---------------- Black Knight
Paladin, Champion ------- Death Knight
Mages ------------------- Mummy
Rakshases --------------- Rakshasa Vetala
Hellmares --------------- Ghost Charger
Wolf -------------------- Blood Hound
Giants ------------------ Necro Giant
NCF creatures:
Thunderbird, Suzaku ------------ n/a
Plague Treant ------------------ n/a
Apocalipse Knight -------------- n/a
Undead Ciclop ------------------ n/a
Ballista ----------------------- n/a
Wolf Upgrades ------------------ Blood Hound
Magic Blades ------------------- n/a
Elemental Giants --------------- Wraith
Nature Protector-------------- Necro Giant
Elemental Upgrades ------------- n/a
Dark Angels -------------------- Death Angel
Encanter ----------------------- High Lich
Sun Warrior -------------------- Ghost Knight
Basilisks ---------------------- Spectre
Creatures by Psatkha
Dendroids ------------------------ Plague Treant
Vopar ---------------------------- n/a
Schismatic ----------------------- Lich
Chastener ------------------------ Skeleton Archer
Robber --------------------------- Skeleton
Armatier ------------------------- Vopar
Hermit --------------------------- Lich
Inquisitor ----------------------- Demilich
Guerrier ------------------------- Ghost Knight
Gremlin-Arsonist ----------------- Skeleton Archer
Malachite Gargoyle --------------- n/a
Nunkuga -------------------------- Mummy
Komthur -------------------------- Vopar
Cherub --------------------------- Death Angel
Cadaver -------------------------- n/a
Nexus faction -------------------- n/a
Shadow Daughter ------------------ Ghost
Shadow Daughters (upgr.) --------- Spectre
Templar/Evil Sorceress ----------- Death Knight/High Lich
Heretic -------------------------- Lich
Souls ---------------------------- n/a
Planeswalker --------------------- n/a
Runelord ------------------------- Demilich
Dark Champion -------------------- n/a
Guardians ------------------------ n/a
Crystal Dragon ------------------- n/a
Skeleton Mage -------------------- n/a
Royal Basilisk ------------------- Spectral Dragon
Ghost Knight --------------------- n/a
Guardian Idol -------------------- n/a
Magog --------------------------- Spectre
New Alternative Upgrades --------- Same as original creatures
Mysto Dragon --------------------- n/a
Ninja ---------------------------- Vampire
Omega Dragon --------------------- Spectral Dragon
Power Mage ----------------------- n/a
Centaur Capitan ------------------ Ghost
Abyss Angel ---------------------- n/a
Balrog --------------------------- Wraith
Abyss Princess ------------------- Wraith
Royal Guard ---------------------- Ghost Knight
Naga ----------------------------- Wraith
Wisps ---------------------------- n/a
Medusa --------------------------- Spectre
Walkiries ------------------------ Ghost
Ghost Charger -------------------- n/a
Blood Hound ---------------------- n/a
Samurai -------------------------- Vampire
Magma Giant ---------------------- Wraith
Stone Demon ---------------------- n/a
Sea Golem ------------------------ Wraith
Doppelganger --------------------- Mummy
Aquamancer ----------------------- Wraith
Ice Dragon ----------------------- n/a
Spirital Cherub ------------------ n/a
Death Angel ---------------------- n/a
Grunt ---------------------------- Spectre
Spirit Elemental ----------------- n/a
Garuda --------------------------- Spectre
Night Elf Archer ----------------- Demilich
High Lich ------------------------ n/a
Night Elf Huntress --------------- Wraith
Mimic Crystal -------------------- n/a
Zenithales ----------------------- Spectre
Download
beta_v.1 with Templar
beta v.1 with Evil Sorceress
If you find some bugs, please tell me.
If you have any suggestions you're welcome.
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xerox
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 02, 2008 06:33 PM |
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Since the Wisps seems to be based on Wc3 (because the Wisps I saw in a HoMM5 mod where flying elven heads) - then they are actualy kind of Undead.
Wisps in Warcraft are spirits and Night Elves change into them when they die.
So Night Elf creatures should be turned into Wisps.
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Guarder
Supreme Hero
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posted December 02, 2008 06:36 PM |
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they are living creatures and actually couldn't be resseructed, since they will then be undead (i think)
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DarkCrystal
Promising
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posted December 02, 2008 06:41 PM |
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My opinion:
Wisps are Night Elves souls but necromancers raise thir bodies.
About wisps themselves, I think I should make them unraiseble.
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Sometimes I'm about to yell: "It is flat you idiots!" But I don't wanna die in fire.
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TSoD
Promising
Famous Hero
NCF Blacksmith
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posted December 02, 2008 07:04 PM |
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Very good mod 
Only one thing for my giants : only the nature protector can be resurected in necro giant. It is in the description of my necro giant, sorry...
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DarkCrystal
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posted December 02, 2008 07:26 PM |
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Quote:
Only one thing for my giants : only the nature protector can be resurected in necro giant. It is in the description of my necro giant, sorry...
Really?  I can't read your description because it's in French.
O.K. I will fix that. 
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Sometimes I'm about to yell: "It is flat you idiots!" But I don't wanna die in fire.
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SimonaK
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Supreme Hero
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posted December 02, 2008 10:52 PM |
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Edited by SimonaK at 23:06, 02 Dec 2008.
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one minute....
I'm not able to convert NCFs to Necro ones in Necropolis with the tower for?
I'm sure it's already possible.
H5 (TOE 3.1) algo
If the creature (faction, neutral, ncf, etc) is living (non undead, non mechanic, non elemental) then
transform this creature by the necro one of same tier.
(the upgrade level may be used too)
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DarkCrystal
Promising
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posted December 03, 2008 12:25 PM |
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@SimonaK: What? You are speaking about converting units in town when I am speaking about converting them after battle.  It can be done only by modifying file DefaultStats and some creature files.
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Sometimes I'm about to yell: "It is flat you idiots!" But I don't wanna die in fire.
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted December 03, 2008 06:02 PM |
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@SimonaK: This thread is not for the 'Shrine of the Netherworld', it's for the Necromancy skill with Dark Energy raising creatures after a battle.
btw, aren't there some creatures with Tier 8? Anyone tried to convert them in the Shrine of the Netherworld and see what happens?
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 03, 2008 06:08 PM |
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normally, unicorns and angels can't be raised with dark energy (I think)
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DarkCrystal
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted December 03, 2008 08:25 PM |
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Quote:
normally, unicorns and angels can't be raised with dark energy (I think)
But now can! We have now Death Angel who was raised from Angel (description) and why Unicorns are worse?
but if you don't like it tell me and I'll create one more version espesially for you.
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Sometimes I'm about to yell: "It is flat you idiots!" But I don't wanna die in fire.
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Asheera
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted December 03, 2008 08:31 PM |
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What about my question? Anyone tried to convert a tier 8 creature in the Shrine of the Netherworld building, hmm?
If not then someone should test this. Maybe it will crash the game or something
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 03, 2008 08:36 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 20:38, 03 Dec 2008.
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it's not a problem for me, but in a way it made those creature more "unique"
btw, why do the unicorns become spectres? instead of ghosts chargers?
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DarkCrystal
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posted December 03, 2008 08:42 PM |
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@Fauch: hmm... Maybe I'll try with Ghosr Charger.
@Asheera: I tried with tier 8. It converts into Bone Dragon.
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Sometimes I'm about to yell: "It is flat you idiots!" But I don't wanna die in fire.
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Warmonger 
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fallen artist
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posted December 03, 2008 08:54 PM |
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Quote:
Doppelganger
Its model is based on Mummy, so definitelly Mummy 
Spirit Elementals and Cherubs no, as they are slready all spirits and one is elemental.
In general Angels should not be reanimated as their are not alive in strict sense.
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DarkCrystal
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posted December 03, 2008 08:59 PM |
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@Warmonger: O.K. if you think that Doppelganger is alive I'll try with Mummy.
Actually Angels has ability living creature.
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Sometimes I'm about to yell: "It is flat you idiots!" But I don't wanna die in fire.
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 03, 2008 10:51 PM |
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yes the doppleganger is alive. the true question is : is it an alien?
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SimonaK
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posted December 03, 2008 11:03 PM |
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Edited by SimonaK at 23:11, 03 Dec 2008.
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I don't suggest to create this "defaultstat" file manually.
I can build it in one minute.
RTMG's algo
For all NCFs
{
The <Dead> tag value is [NCF.CreatureID]
The <Rise> tag value is
Select CREATURE_ID
From CREATURES
Where RACE = "RACE_NECROMANCY"
And TIER = [NCF.Tier]
And UPGRADE = [NCF.Upgrade];
}
the result is always one selected row
NCF.Tier is a number between 1 and 12
NCF.Upgrade is a number between 0 and 3
It's enough I put a button and I have this mod
so I can automatically generate the new file as seen I have all ncfs.
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 04, 2008 01:47 AM |
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Edited by Fauch at 01:56, 04 Dec 2008.
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if I understand well, each ncf creature will be transformed in a necropolis creatures of the same level, and upgraded creatures are transformed in upgraded creatures.
it isn't what we want for 2 reasons :
1)you forgot :
if "Ability_Undead" or "Ability_Mechanical" or "Ability_Elemental" not in NCF.Creature_Id.abilities (or something like that)
2) we want to raise some creatures as NCF undead creatures (which are neutrals, and can be of a different level than the killed creature)
oh and there is no necropolis creature above the level 7, so you'll have things like that :
<Dead>Omega_Dragon</Dead>
<Raise></Raise>
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SimonaK
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted December 04, 2008 02:10 AM |
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Edited by SimonaK at 02:18, 04 Dec 2008.
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yes you're right....
so...the select must be changed by adding a "not exists" clause about the important abilities
Select CREATURE_ID
From CREATURES
Where RACE = "RACE_NECROMANCY"
And TIER = [NCF.Tier]
And UPGRADE = [NCF.Upgrade]
and not exists(select 1
from gm_creatures a,
gm_creaturesabilities b
where a.filename = b.filename
and a.creature_id = [NCF.CreatureID]
and b.item in ('ABILITY_UNDEAD','ABILITY_MECHANIC','ABILITY_ELEMENTAL')
I know abilities may have syntaxe mistake in this example
So, a non-living NCF creature will not have a "Rise", in fact will be ignored by the algo
for tier 8 and high... I don't suggest necromancy transformation because it doesn't exist necro creature for.
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