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xerox
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posted December 06, 2008 09:33 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 23:59, 09 Dec 2008.
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[Request] Change/Edit Fortress!!!
Many people have complained about how Fortress is, mainly the creatures! 6 dwarves and 1 more dragon!
I suggest that there should be some "edit fortress" project similar to the Necropolis creature mods.
Suggestions (changes which are possible).
1. Stays.
2. Stays.
3. Stays or replace with Snow Ape if its possible?
4. Replace. "Arctic Wolf-Dire Worg/Fenris Worg". Wolfs are already tier 4. Just make them look cooler or try to make them a bit bigger if its possible.
5. Stays
6. Rename to "Mountain Giant-Flame Giant/Frost Giant - edit some abilities and appearance to fit more.
Or you could change them to Rocs instead using the Firebird model. "Roc-Firebird/Thunderbird"
7. Change names to stop 10.000 dragons in HoMM. Change to: "Fire Wyrm-Magma Jormungar/Lava Jormungar
This would make Fortress a lot more unique and cooler - filled with Norse mythology. Fortress line-up is pretty boring and it is not too hard to make it fun.
Instead of 6 dwarves and 1 dragon there could be 3-4 dwarves and 1 wyrm/jormungar instead.
Grand Vote for tier 6, which tier 6 do you want?
ROC VS THANE VS GIANT
Giants: 2 Votes
Rocs: 1 Vote
Thanes stay: 0 Vote
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Cepheus
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posted December 06, 2008 09:51 PM |
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I've had this in mind for ages, and even started on it. I considered adding a Roc / Thunderbird gang at level 5, Wolves at level 1, Bears instead of Bear Riders and Crystal Drakes at level 7. The Snow Ape can't be added as it doesn't have any animations. I also wanted to utterly remove the fire theme aside from the forges, and instead use blue fires and ice or water in the centre of the town's pit.
It was sort of abandoned, but I can continue it if you like. I wouldn't try to make the above lineup though because it still has four Dwarves.
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xerox
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posted December 06, 2008 11:37 PM |
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I think Fire theme should totally stay. I mean - they belive in the Dragon of Fire, Arkath. It would make no sense to ignore and remove that aspect.
However I do agreed that Dwarves should be more Ice focused. And yeah, Wolfs probably fit better in a low tier but the Shieldgards are awesome 
Bears seems pretty cool too, but in my opinion there are 3 very cool dwarf creatures (of course many others will disagree) and in my opinion that is: Rune Priests, Bear Riders and Shieldguards.
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sith_of_ziost
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posted December 07, 2008 01:53 AM |
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May I suggest putting Shieldguards Tier 2 and Wolves Tier 1? That way everyone's happy. Just giving the guards a couple extra defense points will put it Tier 2 worthy.
BTW - Can the Snow Ape skin be draped over another creature?
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posted December 07, 2008 02:35 AM |
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Edited by Arcax at 02:38, 07 Dec 2008.
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Kill me , boil my head, slice me to pieces but Ill always quote OmegaDestroyer:
6 dwarves are better than a couple a ensemble cast of loosely connected critters.
Nation defending their own land and own country with own men. Yeah there's also a dragon(dragons=pure evil). Im not into modding so my post is a sheer spam but HEY! Im a defender of dwarven pride I cant let out such a blasphemy, without response
I dont get whats the problem
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xerox
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posted December 07, 2008 01:04 PM |
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But if Shieldguards are tier 2 then Fortress wíll lose a shooter.
But I guess its fair, since Fortress already is overpowered.
However its possible to "combine" all our ideas.
What about this?
1. Wolfs
2. Shieldguards
3. Bear/Bear Riders
4. Snow Apes if its possible?
5. Runepriests (they must have some shooter)
6. Rocs or Giants
7. Wyrms/Jormungar - replace with Lava Dragon with Crystal Wyrm/Jormungar?
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Asheera
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posted December 07, 2008 03:00 PM |
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Why replace bear riders with bears? Animals can't fight well along your troops since they can't think rational, you need someone to ride them, otherwise there wouldn't make much sense to be able to command them. This applies to the wolf as well (silly idea making it a creature in a town on its own)
If anything, there should be riders for the Griffin, Unicorns, Hydras, etc.
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Cepheus
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posted December 07, 2008 03:16 PM |
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Then the whole universe must be silly since there's so many other things that aren't realistic. Unicorns can think rationally, while Griffins, Wolves, Bears etc are just tamed and disciplined well. Look at the hero bio for Irina:
"She grew up knowing the ins and outs of those proud and dangerous beasts, and when called to war for the Empire she readily brought her gifts to bear where she could do the most good. Irina ensures that the griffins that fight by her side are exceptionally healthy and respond well to commands."
I don't see how putting a rider on a Hydra or a Wyvern or a Cerberus would make any sense? Planet Earth doesn't have magic, so more people should think twice about calling anything in a fantasy world silly when it's not possible to make one-to-one comparisons. You want everything to make sense graphically, play an RTS where each army is not represented by one creature with a number bar sticking out of its foot 
But how is putting an overweight, fully armoured dwarf on an already-armoured bear which realistically should be unable to support all that weight not silly 
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xerox
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posted December 07, 2008 03:41 PM |
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I do think that armored bears are a little bit "The Golden Compass" and if you should choose between a Bear Rider vs Berzerker then I would take riders.
But Cepheus is right. The animals could obviously be trained to fight or be kind of controlled with the help of magic (but that seems a bit evil, doesnt it?).
Plus Wolfs have already existed on their own in HoMM2 and HoMM4 in towns. And the Fenris Worg was not stupid in norse mythology. I assume that if Wolfs would be in a dwarf town, they would be inspired by the Fenris Ulv (ulv is an old swedish word for wolf).
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Asheera
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posted December 07, 2008 04:49 PM |
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Quote:
Then the whole universe must be silly since there's so many other things that aren't realistic.
It is different. I'm not talking about being realistic, but about making sense. Here's the difference: In the world of Ashan, magic is realistic, fantasy creatures are realistic, etc. However, even in Ashan, animals don't think rationally, so they can't go to battle and follow your orders just like that.
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posted December 07, 2008 05:02 PM |
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Edited by SimonaK at 17:06, 07 Dec 2008.
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I know a mod where wolf is integrate in preserve.
a other mod where it's integrate in necro.. other in stonghold...
You're the fourth.
Personnaly, in H5, I find good to find wolf outside of my home.
Moreover, you say you hate NCF and wolf hasn't upgrades....how to do that wolf has upgrades?
NCF is also the fact to create new model creatures even if it replaces a faction creature and wolf's upgrades already exist as NCF.
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Cepheus
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posted December 07, 2008 06:22 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 18:24, 07 Dec 2008.
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even in Ashan, animals don't think rationally, so they can't go to battle and follow your orders just like that
But: there's evidence that they can.
As for the wolf thing, a general rule of thumb is that if you don't like the mod, don't download it.
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Vlaad
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posted December 07, 2008 06:31 PM |
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The only creature I don't care for is the Brawler, although it does fit well... Dunno, might have been more interesting if it were more like H4 Berserkers. I'd love to see Wolves as tier 4 (there would still be four Dwarves, for those who prefer races to creatures).
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Asheera
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posted December 07, 2008 06:34 PM |
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But Wolves above Bears would be kinda silly. Maybe make the bears tier 4 and wolves tier 3.
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SimonaK
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posted December 07, 2008 07:01 PM |
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Edited by SimonaK at 19:04, 07 Dec 2008.
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New faction for H5!
the Zoo Faction!
Tier 1: Lizard
Tier 2: Wolf
Tier 3: Griffin
Tier 4: Bear
Tier 5: Hydra
Tier 6: Horse
Tier 7: Dragon (?)
and the castle? but a zoo with cages, of course!
and all heroes are Trainer of Circus faction competence
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Cepheus
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posted December 07, 2008 07:07 PM |
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Somehow I get the feeling that you might just be serious.
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SimonaK
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posted December 07, 2008 07:19 PM |
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surly because you think it's a excellent idea.
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Cepheus
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posted December 07, 2008 07:25 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 19:25, 07 Dec 2008.
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Well no, since six out of the seven creatures are already in the game, plus it is pointless to the extreme.
But if you don't think it's excellent, why would you post it here anyway?
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SimonaK
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posted December 07, 2008 07:29 PM |
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Edited by SimonaK at 19:41, 07 Dec 2008.
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haha, on my side this idea is a joke.
I'm not interested to create it.
and I know modding a new faction is a real hard work may be endless.
of course "Tier 1: Lizard" are your NCF creatures! 
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xerox
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posted December 07, 2008 08:28 PM |
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Omg stop fightning.
If you like 6 dwarves and yet another dragon then dont download if this should become real!
I agree that Wolfs should be under Bear Riders.
But the Fenris Worg fits Fortress so much and I hate the spearwielders (if I was ubisoft, I would have maked them have stormhammers and axes).
Please be serious now. The majority seems to dont like Bears as creatures. Ok about that.
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