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Thread: I'm finally done filling out my college applications! This thread is 11 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 · «PREV / NEXT»
winterfate
winterfate


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posted February 03, 2009 03:18 AM

@Omega: But yet so deliciously appropriate.

@Mvass: I see. How did it feel to be the group baby, so to speak?
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mvassilev
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posted February 03, 2009 03:26 AM

It didn't really feel any different. But, since my birthday is in September, I wasn't that much younger than the other people in my grade - although I was the youngest. And I wasn't one of those people who got a license and a car as soon as I turned 16 (I'm 17 and a bit, and I still have neither, although I'm going to get my license soon), it didn't matter. I can always get rides with my friends whenever I'm going somewhere with them, and I never really go anywhere without them or my parents.
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winterfate
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posted February 03, 2009 03:47 AM

That sounds cool.

I still don't have my driver's license.

(But that's because of my fiasco when I went to take the exam...)

College life is awesome.
It's the classes that wear on you after a bit.

Also, nothing like college drama.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted February 03, 2009 06:33 AM

I'd get a license before college, Mvass.  It'll make your life easier.  
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Doomforge
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posted February 03, 2009 10:38 AM

I don't have one either and I'm soon going to be 22

But no worries, living in the center of capital makes things rather easy, I can get everywhere faster then with a car and it's numerous times cheaper.

License would be good if I lived at the suburbs, though. I eventually plan to move to a house of my own (no flats, please >.>, so I guess I can't run away from making a license forever.

Hell, I still don't like cars. ;p
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posted February 05, 2009 05:03 AM

This is from the French Thread. I'm copying it here so it isn't too off topic.




*alright, everyone to Northern Oklahoma!! Now's our chance!!*

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Plus, a laptop may be weaker and more expensive than a desktop, but it's better for college because it's more mobile.


Yeah, they are more expensive than desktops most of the time but like you said, it is better for college. I'll find it useful since I'll be doing a Computer class at TAFE where I can just write all my notes on the laptop instead of by hand. It'll get typed much quicker than I can write (although I write very fast as well) But this is straying too far off topic.
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mvassilev
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posted March 04, 2009 02:08 AM

Update:
I got my driver's license.
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winterfate
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posted March 04, 2009 02:46 AM

Congrats!

So, have you started your college education yet?
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mvassilev
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posted March 04, 2009 03:09 AM

No, not until August. I haven't even been accepted anywhere yet.
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Nikita
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posted March 04, 2009 04:06 AM

Quote:
Update:
I got my driver's license.

What is the age you can get license where you live?,here its 16.
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posted March 04, 2009 04:15 AM

16 if you took Driver's Ed., 16.5 otherwise.
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DeadMan
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posted March 10, 2009 02:57 PM

Why bother going to college if all you're going to become is a more effective wage slave for the capitalists? Unless you're planning to become one of the slavers, of course.
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phoenixreborn
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posted March 10, 2009 07:44 PM

DeadMan what alternative do you suggest?
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posted March 10, 2009 09:52 PM

Quote:
Why bother going to college if all you're going to become is a more effective wage slave for the capitalists? Unless you're planning to become one of the slavers, of course.
Both are fine. Voluntary exchange FTW!
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DeadMan
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posted March 11, 2009 02:50 PM

PhoenixReborn:
I do advise that he go to college - I'm just saying that Mvass needs to know that even with an education, he would be a slave, albeit a white-collar one instead of a blue-collar one.

Mvass:
You aren't serious, are you?
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted March 11, 2009 03:34 PM

Never thought I'd see a poster that made my outlook on life seem rosey.
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Doomforge
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posted March 11, 2009 04:17 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 16:19, 11 Mar 2009.

in fact, I kinda agree with Deadman.

I always perceived the current system as a form of twisted, modern slavery. Well, sort of.

The difference is, people are brainwashed (by media and their constant success propaganda) from the very beginning of their lives and don't know any alternative, so they choose the "i-wear-a-necktie-in-work" path by themselves. Ironic.

They CHOOSE to overwork for pitiful amounts of cash (compared to REALLY successful people) and are PROUD of it.

They give up on their hobbies, friends and families and work, work, work 12 hours per day, because they are absolutely certain it's the best way to live. Aside work, they usually have nothing. Take their job away and they are completely clueless what to do for all day.

They know nothing about the world, being limited to the same four walls of their bureau/home and the same traffic jams every day.

They often talk about the good old days of being young and free, as if they were unaware that it was their OWN DECISION that changed their life.

They call every person that doesn't think like them a loafer.

It's a sad sight.

I think it's slavery. Their ambitions are enslaved in a pointless circle of working and continuing their "career". Some even follow a very funny logic, like "I work like mad now so I can knock about when I'm old". Duh. So you work to knock about? You can do it without work, too, you know

The fun part is that compared to people of REAL success (private business owners, entertainers like football players or musicians) they are nothing. They work much more hard and see much less of world, yet they are so sure that it's the right thing to do that they pursuit that path without hesitation.

You can get rich, if that is your plan, without career, bureaus, overwork and a necktie. People who get rich are never neck-tiers. They are smart, they know what to do with their life. Either to use their talents, or make other people working for them.

Which brings me to the point. College (well, at least polish one) gives you NOTHING. You're full of knowledge you will forget in the next 1 year, you know nothing about working and you have no work-knowledge, that differs a lot from college-knowledge. So much that it is entirely unrelated.

Think about it. Most jobs are simple as **** and very repetetive. Do you think you really need 5 years of intense studying to do things like "being a manager" ? or other job, say, forwarder (my mate is one - he started right after highschool - no knowledge and he now is in better position than many bachelors that were studying logistics).

I think college is a serious waste of time, unless you will NEED the knowledge in your work (i.e. doctor). In other cases, the amount of knowledge needed to do your future job is a tiny fraction of overwhelming amount of useless material they teach you.

But, we live in a world where a title of bachelor seems to be required for the most stupid things that logically shouldn't even require highschool (only a bit of intelligence, but that can be tested in a different way than 5-years long struggle of getting through college).

Ultimately, it doesn't matter whether you are a blue or white collar slave, true. In my country, electricians can earn more cash than managers. But it's not much, of course. Just for their almost life-long debts and borrowed life, as I like to call it, maybe another plasma TV that means ****.

You know what bothers me? That we live to work. it should be the other way. We should work to live. To get what we need and focus on what we are, our personalities, hobbies, family. In most of western culture, it's the opposite way. We study to get a job. We work all the day. We take overtime. Our life is devoted to working. It's a form of slavery. Slavery we accept and LIKE.
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posted March 11, 2009 04:53 PM

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I think college is a serious waste of time, unless you will NEED the knowledge in your work (i.e. doctor). In other cases,

That's the center of the matter. If you know what job you want to do and the job description says:

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Requirements:

   * Associates degree in Business
   * Basic PC Skills for spreadsheet and word processing applications (knowledge of Word and Excel preferred);
   * Basic understanding of medical terminology;
   * Strong attention to detail skills;
   * Excellent communication skills and computer experience required;
   * Medical and Mental Health billing experience preferred;
   * Successful customer service experience and billing experience preferred.


then you need that Associates degree in Business or they don't even consider you.

A friend of mine skipped college and worked in a video store and made enough to survive on his own.  Then he went to college for a programming course finished, got a programming job, and now supports a family of four on that salary.  Forty hours and he still has time to raise his kids nights and weekends.  What's the problem?
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Binabik
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posted March 14, 2009 08:41 AM

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then you need that Associates degree in Business or they don't even consider you.


That's far from always being the case. I would never let something like that stop me from applying for a job. The listed job "requirements" are really nothing more than a wish list, and the company won't usually get everything they wish for. Yea, a lot of companies have hang-ups on college degrees, but there are also a lot that don't. A smart company will put experience and actual job ability as a higher priority than the degree.

A big exception where the degree is essential, is for entry level jobs in an area where people are unlikely to learn on the job. The degree says very little about how good you might be at the job, but it does ensure some minimum level of knowledge about the subject. The same is true for licenses.

I want to stress that it's only some companies that won't put a high priority on degrees. And for sure the degree allows for a lot more options in job choice. The point is that just because a degree is listed as a requirement is no excuse to not apply. If you think you are otherwise qualified, go for it, it can't hurt and you might even get a practice interview out of it. (it's best if the interview for a job you really, really, really want is NOT the first one you've done in a long time)

I usually consider myself having a decent chance at a job if I have maybe 1/2 - 2/3 of the requirements. And if it's a job I really want, I'll apply for it if I have NONE of the requirements (but I'd have to have some reason why I thought I could actually do the job, like having related experience or something)

As for the guy who went from the video store to a programming job, you are comparing apples to oranges. There are high and low paying jobs that require degrees and high and low paying jobs that don't. He went from a dead end minimum wage job to a field that paid well. He could just as easily have gone into a number of non-degreed trades or other jobs. And he might have made as much or more money than he could have as a programmer.

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phoenixreborn
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posted March 14, 2009 02:48 PM

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As for the guy who went from the video store to a programming job, you are comparing apples to oranges.


What I mean to show by that real-life example is that he went to college for something and got a job in that something.  It is a refutation of Doomforge's idea that college is useless.
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